Appnut

I agree.  The vid  I saw showed one or two items(hard to tell since everything was mostly RED or PINK) flopping around but could hardly be considered a medium or full load. Perhaps the movement increases with a full load, but if not, what does this flopping with little water accomplish except wearing out clothes faster?  Don't get it -  yet.  Is this better than  a regular tumble?   Does this make good press?  Hmm.

I think it is very impressive for the wash load they have in the washer.  I can see it being very effective. 

I think about the way I wash and what I wash.  I can think of three loads that would do well with this. 

1. Hand Towels.  I wash about 70 hand towels a week on Sanitary.

2. Socks and underwear.

3. Sheets and pillowcases.

Anyone out there know if there are normal cycles on this machine?  Thinking about normal tumble and such....

Very interesting videos just the same.

Thanks for the links.

Brent 

I have an older (think year 2000) Miele.  There is no mention of different  rhythms while  tumbling but my observation is that it is not always using the same type of tumble in the same phase of the cycle.  Of course there is no rocking back and forth, swinging, or rolling that I see but every load comes out clean and well rinsed.  It  works well without the various movements...so I can't see why I would need this.. Yeah it sounds cool, it looks cool...but I guess I don't need it because I am getting completely clean rinsed clothes without it.   I don't think I would go for this coolness over my Miele washer.  One thing...If you purchased the larger 48XX I have seen the tumble on this in videos  and parts of it can be described as rolling.  It is a tumble that starts slow, increases in speed to almost a  very low spin, then a slow down to stop.

I wonder if this rocking cleans better than the old style Duet?

"some non USA folks on the other threads go crazy with comments of us usa folks just using a washer as a tool like the way we want to; ie ONLY 1/4 or 1/2 full"

It seems that you're the only one taking it to this extent...

Nobody is preaching anything, just pointing out mere fact.  In fact, almost every owners manual here will tell you that the most water, energy and time efficient way to do laundry is to wash full loads.  Therefore, if you yourself and a lot of other users of the high capacity US machines are only half filling the machine as you have often pointed out, then is there any point in high capacity machines when they are only going to be used at half capacity for the majority of the time?  Everybody sorts their clothes out here too... but the buying market here aren't in the mentality (somewhat) that bigger is always better.

BTW, I don't think I have any clothes back from 2005, so the argument about Katrina seems to baffle me, surely 6 years is enough time in which to stock up a wardrobe again?  God knows, my wardrobe is full to the brim and I don't have anything more than 3 years old or so.

It seems to answer your last question, the "wasteful" thing is buying machines with capacity which far exceed the needs.  By all means, the high capacity machines are great if you are actually going to utilise them, but it seems that the US washer market is dictating that people need a bigger capacity than is actually suitable.

To end on your last point, when I buy clothes, like most others I'm sure I buy them because I actually like them, not because I have a need to fill the washer LOL.

Jon

Fair enough in terms of the hurricane, I guess it is all too easy to make blanket statement without going through it.

However, what you have just said in terms of 27" has clarified what I said earlier; what I was saying wasn't criticising anybody who bought the machines at all, a washing machine is a very personal choice for some people especially on the likes of this forum and over on Gardenweb - but it seems that the frontload market there has been conditioned to the point where brand X tries do get a smidgen of a cubic foot capacity more than brand Y, rather than actually designing washers for real capacities and giving the option for small, medium or large machines.  The market here is a lot more free in that sense; and you can literally shop to a capacity that fits your needs.  E.g. an old couple who wash twice a week will only buy the smallest 5 kilo model, whereas a family of 7 would be more inclined to buy a 8-9kilo rated machine - rather than the choice there which seems to be the choice of a washing machine that is oversized for most needs, with brand X being able to wash a mammoth and brand Y being able to wash an elephant.

BTW our washers are by far from wussy or freakish, I'm sure a lot of our European models could outperform some of the American giant washers by far... :-)

FWIW, over here the 27" washers could be arguably considered as "freak oddball" items.  Bosch sold their Nexxt washer for a few years, as well as Whirlpool with their version of the Duet and they were deemed as too big and soon went off the market, you can only specially order the Whirlpool now.  However, I very much doubt many Europeans are inclined to fill landfills with "oddball" items, in fact I would imagine some European countries probably have some of the best waste management systems and we're less inclined to send items to landfill.

It's always interesting to see the differences in attitudes between cultures.

Take care,

Jon