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Post# 507991   3/29/2011 at 18:35 (4,773 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

since i have a couple european condenser dryers,i was wondering about the
american condenser dryers made around the 1950s-anyone have any details on
the designs or performance of these dryers...





Post# 508086 , Reply# 1   3/29/2011 at 23:05 (4,773 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Check the archives on how 'effective' the GM Frigidaire Filtrators are from 1952 - 1960. Others had then in various designs of either stand alone or in combo units (Maytag/Hotpoint/GE/Bendix/Speed Queen/Westinghouse/Easy, etc.)

GM Filtrators are not bad dryers (great towel dryers in the dead of winter), but, after personally using one as my only dryer for the last 4 years I'm looking forward to having a traditional dryer up and running in the house.

Ben


Post# 508102 , Reply# 2   3/30/2011 at 01:40 (4,773 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Maytag & Hotpoint offered what we called water dryers that used between 1/3 and 1/2 gallon of cold water per minute to dry a load of clothes. They managed to dry a load of cottons in 45 to 60 minutes and, like other condenser dryers produced very soft clothes that felt like they had been given a strong dose of fabric softener even when they had not. For a while, Maytag made two models, one to match the top of the line washer and one that went with the plainer Highlander models. Hotpoint's condenser dryer matched the TOL washer and had an almost identical twin that was an air flow dryer.

More than 20 years ago, we found a 27 inch Avocado green Space Mates dryer from the 70s, I think, that was a water condensing machine. It could not have been the only one Westinghouse made so Westinghouse must have made a few. Unlike the Hotpoint & Maytag, it did not use a pump to dispose of the used water but, instead, relied on its position atop the washing machine to let gravity carry the water down through a hose to the same standpipe the washer used. Given the way wet lint can clog things, it does seem like at least a small flood hazard.


Post# 508135 , Reply# 3   3/30/2011 at 06:54 (4,773 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
US WATER CONDENSER DRYERS

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Yes we still have the WH water condensing dryer it dates around 1970. I think that WH made this product to compete with GEs combo for builder sales where venting a dryer was a problem. I intend to restore this dryer its the only one I have ever seen.


Post# 508136 , Reply# 4   3/30/2011 at 06:56 (4,773 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
I have a Philco/Bendix . . .

. . . Duomatic that works well as a condensor dryer. But it sure does get hot. I guess it has to to get the steam built up. It will dry a load of cottons in 40 minutes if it automatically goes into the dry cycle. If I put the clothes through my SpinX, it will dry the same load in 30 minutes. I'm not sure how much water it uses. It does a much better job in cold weather -- the colder the water, the better the condensation.

I had a friend that had a Hotpoint condensor in the 50's. Occasionally, the drain would clog in the bottom of the machine. Instead of drying, it would re-wet the clothes in the water that backed up.

Jerry Gay


Post# 508153 , Reply# 5   3/30/2011 at 08:23 (4,773 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Filtrator!

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A 1958 filtrator

Post# 508156 , Reply# 6   3/30/2011 at 08:25 (4,773 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Hotpoint

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1957

Post# 508159 , Reply# 7   3/30/2011 at 08:35 (4,773 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Hotpoint

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TOL 1957

Post# 508177 , Reply# 8   3/30/2011 at 10:57 (4,773 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jerry, the Philco condenser combos had a top temperature of 160F for drying, if they are operating properly. While that would be very hot for an airflow dryer, in the steamy atmosphere of a condenser dryer it is very safe and is much lower than the operating temperatures for other condenser combos. In fact, Permanent Press fabrics need to be heated to 160 for best wrinkle free results. In Maytag electronic control dryers, when you select Perma-Press, once the fabrics are dried, the heating continues until the load reaches 160F then the cooldown begins. That is why Maytag recommended the Perma Press setting for getting things with heavy hems or seams completely dry before they had the buttons on the second generation of 08 series electronic control dryers for selecting dryness.

Post# 508318 , Reply# 9   3/31/2011 at 06:06 (4,772 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Hey, Thanks John . . .

It's great to get some info from someone who knows about the condenser dryers. It will make me rest easier when I use the Bendix Duo the next time.

And I did not know about the manufacturer's recommendation on the Maytag electronic control dryers concerning using perma press to thoroughly dry thick hems. That was my mother's first dryer. She did NOT want it, but once I forced it on her, it wasn't long before she fell in love with it.

Thanks, Buddy.

Jerry Gay


Post# 508424 , Reply# 10   3/31/2011 at 16:23 (4,771 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
I was amazed and mystified . . .

This morning I decided to do laundry in my Easy Spin Dry -- one of the most fun washers there is to use. I also decided to use my Philco/Bendix Duomatic as the dryer.

This time, I put the Duomatic drain hose into my laundry tub and plugged the tub drain. I set the timer for 30 minutes and started the dryer. I went on about my other chores of more washing as well as ironing shirts on my Ironrite.

When next I checked the laundry tub, the Duomatic had completely filled the tub on the left. I plugged the right hand tub as the water began to overflow into the empty tub.

When the dryer was done, it had filled the one tub to overflowing and put about four inches of water into the other tub. I had no idea it used this much water to dry clothes. I don't know how many gallons we're talking about here, but these are regular size laundry tubs from Sears (about 40 years old) and they could easily handle a suds-saver machine.

Just a little experiment that gave me a big surprise, and I wanted to share it with all you wonderful "knuts" at AutomaticWasher.org.

Thanks.

Jerry Gay


Post# 508441 , Reply# 11   3/31/2011 at 17:57 (4,771 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
BENBIX ELECTRIC CONDENSING COMBO

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Hi Jerry The Bendix, GE and Westinghouse combos all used about 1/2 gallon of cold water per minute while in the dry cycle, the MT was the most efficient using only 1/3 gallon per minute. I have been known to run that nice warm water into another machine and use it to wash a load of clothes that only needed warm water. You may want to check your machine by seeing how long it takes to fill say a 5 gallon bucket, If it is using much more than 1/2 gallon per minute you may have a bad flow washer in the condenser valve.


Post# 508518 , Reply# 12   4/1/2011 at 05:58 (4,771 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Oh Yes! When I was using Brenda Bendix, I would drain the condensing water from the dry cycle into a top loader and have very nice warm water for washing clothes. At that time, I had an electric water heater so hot water was not wasted. I would even save the water from the three rinses of my KDS-14, which was on the same wall, and have almost enough hot water to do a load in one of the solid tub Frigidaire washers. I had to drain the first rinse water through a strainer to filter out the last food particles, but it was clean other than that and very hot.

Unlike your friend with the HP dryer, I hope you regularly empty the strainer under the tub behind the access panel to remove the lint caught there.


Post# 508677 , Reply# 13   4/1/2011 at 22:54 (4,770 days old) by A440 ()        
Just Curious....

Was water and electricity really that cheap at the time that this much water and electrical usage did not matter?

Or did consumers that owned these complain?

I am sure if they kept them over 10 to 20+ years they started to see larger utility bills.

Brent


Post# 508697 , Reply# 14   4/2/2011 at 05:57 (4,770 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Remember, in many big cities water wasn't metered...still I have friends in Chicago w/o metered water, so you can take that away as a consideration. I'm no expert in thermodynamics, but a certain amount of energy evaporates a certain amount of water (no matter if it's in a air-dryer or a condensor-dryer, so don't think that was much of a consideration either.

Post# 508733 , Reply# 15   4/2/2011 at 10:24 (4,770 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
COST OF RUNNING A WATER CONDENSING COMBO

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As Jamie pointed out water for much of the country was cheap in the 1950s-1970s or a no charge item that was paid for by your taxes and not separately metered. Electricity cost in the same period of time in this country was around 3 cents pre KW and now the US average is just over 10 cents. But these early combs and other dryers used no more power than todays dryers, but still the electric cost was considered significant during that time period. During the 1950s-1960s a natural gas dyer would operate for about 1/5 the cost of running an electric dryer, but over the last couple decades the cost of gas has gone up much more than the cost of electricity for most people in most of the US.


Post# 508741 , Reply# 16   4/2/2011 at 11:16 (4,770 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Another factor that has to be considered is that early dryers (like Hamiltons and GEs) were not made to be easily vented and I have previously referenced an early article in a consumer magazine about the suction caused by the exhausting of air by a clothes dryer possibly causing damage to a house if it were turned on before a window was opened, which is doubly funny when you consider the low air flow of early dryers and the lack of weather tightness of older construction techniques. Laundry rooms were often in basements, though and venting might be difficult through thick walls or from underground. The Filtrator and the water-condensing dryers were early solutions to the problems of venting dryers.


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