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Post# 84650   9/23/2005 at 01:55 (6,761 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey guys,
well as y'all no i've got a hoover logic 1300. i've had it about 7months now..& i fancy a change! i went past one of the recon places,i had to stop & turn around! To my amazement there was a very rare SERVIS QUARTZ! i would get the servis & keep the hoover,but for the moment i'm still living with rents & i no my Dad would get a bit grumpy about the idea of "Another" washer...

i was just wondering what you guys think would be the better machine? if u've used either machine? or known of people who've had them:-) All thoughts appreciated:D

thankyooooooooooooou!

Darren





Post# 84651 , Reply# 1   9/23/2005 at 05:20 (6,761 days old) by bearpeter ()        
....personally!!!

I would get the servis Quartz. To find one that is still in working condition is pretty good!
I found the Hoovers of the "Logic" variety a little boring but servis quartz have loads more options! I wanted one when I was younger but could only afford a hoover twinny! Should have kept the hoover looking back but hey!

GO SERVIS!!!!!!


Post# 84652 , Reply# 2   9/23/2005 at 05:32 (6,761 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Perhaps Jon is willing to adopt the Hoover!! I'm sure there is room for another washer in his bedroom. LOL

Post# 84653 , Reply# 3   9/23/2005 at 05:33 (6,761 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Why not go for the servis ! It's another machine to experience isn't it. I think it may be a bit older than the Logic. I remember them being quite noisy - and sometimes the ones i used to use would bang a bit on an uneven spin ramp up. Still, miles better than Servis today which is made by Indesit and many need the `boards' replacing after about a year. Happy washing !

Post# 84660 , Reply# 4   9/23/2005 at 06:43 (6,761 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        
Microcomputer Controlled Servis Quartz 1000

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Hi Darren,
I have a Servis Quartz 1000 model 602 it’s a great machine. Servis was the first appliance manufacturer in the world to produce a microchip controlled washing machine back in 1977; the first machines were ready in 1980, it was jointly developed with P&G and its wash cycles were designed to get the best results from Ariel Automatic as it was then called. The first Quartz was the model 600 it had many serious reliability problems including drum failures and bearing failures. If the Quartz you have found is a model 600 or 601 it would be quite poor reliability wise but if it’s a 602 then it would be a much better machine, it could even be one of the newer Quartz models with the door as the full front of the machine, these later models were reliable machines and also featured Polypropylene outer tubs, the famous SpinCare™ drum had also been replaced by a conventional multi hole drum in these later models and a 1200RPM spin speed was also available.


All the best.
Hugh


Post# 84666 , Reply# 5   9/23/2005 at 07:46 (6,761 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Hugh,

Miele introduced microchip controlled washers, dryers and dishwashers in 1978, that's the year they were available to the public, so I think Miele was the first. There is a statement about that on their German website, they claim to be that they were worldwide the first.

Louis


Post# 84672 , Reply# 6   9/23/2005 at 08:06 (6,761 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        
Servis were first

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Hi Louis,
Miele may claim whatever they like however the fact remains that Servis then a British company produced the worlds first Microprocessor controlled washer the Servis Quartz in 1977 a full year before Miele; Miele my well have marketed their washer first but they were not the first to develop the technology that title is held by Servis and was well advertised at the time.

All the best.
Hugh




Post# 84675 , Reply# 7   9/23/2005 at 08:24 (6,761 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Hugh, in the 70s and 80s were Servis machines `true' Servis, or were many of the components made by another firm like nowadays ? For some reason I always thought that there were links with Hoover back then... but that is just an impression I got having observed / listened to the machines in action. Would be really grateful if you could enlighten me !

Nick


Post# 84678 , Reply# 8   9/23/2005 at 08:33 (6,761 days old) by designgeek ()        


If your dad complains about your appliance collection, just wait until dinner the next night and tell him you want to sell all of it in order to buy some fluorescent lights and hydroponic gardening supplies, to start growing marijuana. "Yeah, dad, and I can make some good money selling it to all my friends!"

Or tell him you've decided to become a "normal" kid and start having sex with anything that moves, and ask him for advice on avoiding sexually-transmitted diseases. "Is it true that I can't get the clap if I wash myself down with coca-cola? And does that work for HIV too?"

Nothing like a little perspective, eh? :-)


Post# 84690 , Reply# 9   9/23/2005 at 08:55 (6,761 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Louis

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Do you know when ZUG produced their first front load totally automatic washer? Miele was 1957.

Jon



Post# 84691 , Reply# 10   9/23/2005 at 09:01 (6,761 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Microprocessor

Surely the Miele and Servis electronic control machines were being developed at the same time, so wouldn't it be more fair to say that they both developed the world's first electronic washing machines regardless of when they went on the market? Surely Miele electronics took more than a year to develop, but meh...

Jon :-)


Post# 84696 , Reply# 11   9/23/2005 at 09:11 (6,761 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

BTW Darren, My vote's for the Servis!! :-) Keep the Hoover too, just ignore whatever comments your parents make. That's what I did when the Miele turned up unexpected to them on our doorstep... :-p

Jon


Post# 84704 , Reply# 12   9/23/2005 at 09:34 (6,761 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        
A Great British Company

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Hi Nick,
In the 70s and 80s Servis machines were indeed true Servis machines and the Quartz was their own British design, the program cycles were developed jointly with P&G to make efficient use of Ariel Automatic as it was then called. Servis front loaders were very advanced back then for example they had the SpinCare™ drum which was designed to reduce wear and tear on fabrics more than 20 years before Miele released their Honeycomb Care System, the Quartz also had inbuilt fault diagnosis in 1977, a rear fill tub design, they had slimline cabinets and were still able to take the standard 4.5KG 9Lb load, the Quartz has one of the best designed detergent dispensers I have ever seen being virtually self cleaning. The Quartz also had a unique multi fabric mixed load cycle which could safely wash a variety of items it also served as an advanced stain removal program; and of course I must not forget the soak wash cycle which allowed you to soak items as long as you liked, to quote the manual “One Tumble every 30 minutes till start is pressed”.
It’s really sad to see the less than impressive machines they sell today.

All the best.
Hugh


Post# 84708 , Reply# 13   9/23/2005 at 09:42 (6,761 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Hugh,

When were the Servis Quartz machines discontinued - was it along with Servis's buyout by Antonio Merloni in 1991?? I remember a lot of problems we have today at work with people who have their old Servis machines is that many had their kitchens built around them, and now they have to redesign their washer hole or relocate the washer to accommodate a new machine - the only disadvantage to the slimline machines. But that was also a fault with a lot of old washers, so you can't fault them just for that. How did the SpinCare drum do in spin drying with no perforations on the edge of the tub?

BTW In terms of Miele - their brochure claims that they were the first to reach 1000rpm in 1972 or so - however my Nana's Hoover Electronic 1100 from 1972 had an 1100rpm spin speed!!

P.S. did you get the email I sent earlier on?

Take care,

Jon


Post# 84709 , Reply# 14   9/23/2005 at 09:47 (6,761 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

BTW, Nick...

Today's Servis machines are made by Antonio Merloni (who also make Asko), which is totally different to the Indesit Company, formerly known as Merloni Electrodomescitti (excuse my Italian LOL). Easy to confuse the two, as they are both company's of two brothers. One of the reasons Merloni Electrodomescitti changed their name to the Indesit Company was to avoid any further confusion.

Take care :-)

Jon


Post# 84734 , Reply# 15   9/23/2005 at 10:43 (6,761 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Hmmm....

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Jon (the British one LOL),

I don't see any facts about when Miele introduced their first 1000rpm spin machine and that they were the first to introduce 1000rpm on the German website. Is that a British brochure you are talking about? Actually I thought Philips was the first with the Philips CC1000.

Jon (yes you mr Jetcone),

I mailed V-Zug because they state on their website that their first automatic machine (a Unimatic) was introduced in 1950. It's a toploader but it's not clear if that is a V-axis or H-axis machine. I will come back on this when I hear from them. Constructa was supposedly the first to come out with an automatic washing machine (frontloader) in 1954, but who knows V-Zug was first.

Here's the link to the history page of V-Zug.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK


Post# 84737 , Reply# 16   9/23/2005 at 10:47 (6,761 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Servis Selectronic 1976...

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Darren, No Contest...SERVIS it is..

"Sold On Superiority Throughout The World"...(so the adds said then,)

The Servis Selectronic was indeed the first electronic machine to hit the markets, this was unveiled at the AMDEA Electrical show in 1976, and sold onwards...

The First Quartz models where based on this Silicone Chip machine.


Post# 84739 , Reply# 17   9/23/2005 at 10:49 (6,761 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Servis Quartz 600 Series...1983

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Hi Darren, (Belated Happy Birthday by the way!!!)

Was it this one??


Post# 84741 , Reply# 18   9/23/2005 at 10:59 (6,761 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Servis Quartz 6033 Series...1986

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Or This one, full door models

Post# 84743 , Reply# 19   9/23/2005 at 11:03 (6,761 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
SpinCare Drum....No Holes

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Look no holes or honeycombs in sight!!!

Post# 84749 , Reply# 20   9/23/2005 at 11:27 (6,761 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        
The Worlds First Computer Controlled Washer

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Hi Mike,
Thank you for backing me up with the proof that Servis was the first to manufacture and sell the worlds first Computer controlled washing machine. I must admit I had totally forgotten about the Selectronic. Are those Quartz models in the pictures your own machines? I have the model 602 very similar to the model 600 in your picture I think it's about 1984-85 and still going strong, I will tidy up the my wash room and get some pictures for everyone there are a some of Mums gardening things in front of the Quartz at the minute my Servis Slimline Electronic 308S in the wash room beside the Quartz so I will get a snap of it at the same time. I had to replace the motor in the 308S luckily the motor of a Hoover Electronic 800 fits if the connecter plug is changed.

All the best.
Hugh


Post# 84750 , Reply# 21   9/23/2005 at 11:34 (6,761 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
SpinCare Drum

Hi Mike! Great pictures, those Servis machines look absolutely gorgeous!!

In terms of the SpinCare drum - I gather that the water went out the slits at the back of the drum? And is there a similar set of slits at the front of the drum?

I'd absolutely love to see one of these in person! Again, such a shame to see Servis in the state it is now :-(

Jon


Post# 84760 , Reply# 22   9/23/2005 at 12:12 (6,761 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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SOOOOOOOLD. I fink im gonna ebay the logic :| omg i cant belive i just said that! but those servis machines were so good & those spincare drums were awesooooome! im negotiating with my brother tonight to see if he'll pick up & take it home in the van with me. i hope he wil. im bribing him with money & dinner:D btw mike it had the same door as the machine in the first pic which my mums friend had coincidently:D my bros g.f used 2 ave one similar to the model in the next pic but with a dial! i think its gotta be the servis..i've had my logical fun...now i wanna quartz:D



Post# 84761 , Reply# 23   9/23/2005 at 12:14 (6,761 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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oo can ne 1 tel me wot the water levels r like on them...cuz i love the mega high water levels on the logic:D

Post# 84765 , Reply# 24   9/23/2005 at 12:23 (6,761 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I had another look at the Miele factsheet. I guess the differences are in the details. Miele claims they launched the first computer controlled washer, dryer and dishwasher with sensor controls. A few words sometimes make a huge difference!

Post# 84771 , Reply# 25   9/23/2005 at 13:00 (6,761 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        
Servis Quartz Water Levels

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Hi Darren,
The Quartz models have three water levels low, mid and high; the low level is about the same as the low level on your Logic the high level is almost half way up the door glass the mid level comes well up the tapering area of the door glass. Cotton cycles use the mid level for wash and high level for rinses and if the half load option is selected the low and mid levels are used, synthetic cycles use the high level for wash and rinses this changes to the mid level with the half load option. I forgot to mention the superb Bio option which changes hot fill only programs to hot and cold fill; it heats to 30ºC and adds an additional 10 minutes of gentle wash action to the selected cycle it then continues heating to the selected temperature say 60ºC and washes for 10 minutes with normal action, this option was designed to allow the Biological action of Ariel to remove stains. The Quartz also has a slightly faster tumbling speed at 60RPM which made the wash action more efficient in conjunction with the SpinCare™ drum; they were very advanced machines for their time and loads of fun to watch.

All the best.
Hugh


Post# 84780 , Reply# 26   9/23/2005 at 13:43 (6,761 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Hugh,

Did you see my question in one of my posts above?

Jon


Post# 84788 , Reply# 27   9/23/2005 at 14:15 (6,761 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Hi Jon,
Sorry I missed your question earlier, to the best of my knowledge it was around 1991-92 the last of the Servis designs were produced so it was shortly after the Antonio Merloni buyout, perhaps Mike might have more details.

Regarding spin speeds the Hoover Electronic 1100 De Luxe had an 1100RPM spin in the early 70s and let’s not forget that GM Frigidaire had the 1140RPM Unimatic in 1952 so Miele were defiantly not the first to pass the 1000RPM milestone.

I have not checked my e-mail yet today but I will be checking it later on so I will reply then.

All the best.
Hugh


Post# 84791 , Reply# 28   9/23/2005 at 14:22 (6,761 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Vanes n Chevrons

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Hi Jon

It has two lots of vanes in the spincare drum, one at the front as well...

These servis machines from the MK72, 300 & all later series where the only machines where you can take the outer cabinet off and the drum & supports stand on the rigid metal base.

The only other manufacturer I think to do that was Asko.

And all to think in 1929 Messres Wilkins & Mitchell couldnt deceide whether to make a lawnmower or washer, the washer won when they saw their wives & friends enthuise over it.

Hugh, the later quartz is mine along with the 308 & dryer they replaced.Dont yet have a 600 series.

Has anyone ever seen the replacement drum for the Spincare, the V shaped "Chevron" drum?? this was used in later machines including the washer dryer...

They must have been good if you think Hitachi risked their reputation breaking into the UK white Goods market when Servis made their first machines...I passed up a Hitachi 1300 Washer Dryer a few months ago, am kicking myself now!!


Post# 84795 , Reply# 29   9/23/2005 at 14:49 (6,761 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Spin Speeds

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1971 - First Hotpoint MK1600 F/L 1100 rpm *****
1972 - First Philips Top Load Drum 1000spin
1976 - First Miele UK 1000spin
1978 - First Hoover 1100 spin
1983 - First Servis 1000 spin

Nick,
There was a cross over with Hoover & Servis on some of their scourced motors, hence the "Sounds Similar" but nothing else.

WE forget it was Hotpoint with the big 25inch wide front loader with timeline controls that was ahead of the crowd with the fastest spin on the market AT 100RPM, ( along with the toploader as well)

Also the Philips HN3109 UK Made, 1000rpm Double Bearing,Top Load, right to left action, not front to back which was later.

Wow, laundry history...


Post# 84800 , Reply# 30   9/23/2005 at 15:06 (6,761 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Hoover 1100rpm spin

Mike,

My nana's Hoover Electronic 1100 had an 1100rpm spin and that dated from when she moved into her house, which was 1972, so Hoover must have had an 1100rpm spin even as far back as then.

When did Hotpoint introduce frontloaders to the UK market? My great grandad has a 1960s-era English Electric washer and dryer in the corner of his utility room (although they both sit unused, with a Hoover Soft Wave washer and a 90s Hotpoint dryer being his laundry machines) - apparently these were the first automatic washers in his village and people would go round his house just to do laundry! Anyway - were English Electric their own company back then, or were they Hotpoint machines underneath? My great grandad's machine has a long tube type display, which was a progamme guide. It had a little wheel on the side to move the wheel up and down and told you all the different programme selections!

Take care,

Jon


Post# 84802 , Reply# 31   9/23/2005 at 15:10 (6,761 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        
Chevron Multi Hole Drums

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Hi Mike,
Yes I have seen the chevron drum in a Slimline Electronic Plus 1000 it’s the timer controlled variant of your Quartz Plus. I am not at all surprised by Hitachi choosing that design for their entry to the UK washer market, the machine I mention above used the same mechanics as the Hitachi models and that particular Servis machine was used in a nursing home; it coped with all the washing and bed linens of 30 elderly residents for seven years. I was called to the machine occasionally to replace a few sets of motor brushes and I had to change the door seal once, it was still in perfect working order when they finally replaced it with a pair Whirlpool Top Loaders so it was a very reliable machine indeed.
I am surprised that your later full door Quartz Plus is not fitted with the chevron drum most of that series both Quartz Plus and Slimline Electronic Plus models were fitted with the chevron drums.
The Rigid steel chassis of the Servis machines was extremely strong and all tub suspension components were mounted directly on the chassis, the only upper mount was the nylon fabric check strap on the top of the tub unit and all it done was prevent the tub from being pushed back when loading the drum.
I would love to have my Quartz tested for wash performance I am sure it would easily achieve an A grade wash. They were great machines and I am proud to have this true British classic in my collection.

All the best.
Hugh


Post# 84954 , Reply# 32   9/24/2005 at 09:39 (6,760 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Mike

The Hoover Keymatic (slope front) also has a steel frame, you can remove the back and top/side panels and it can wash naked.
My 12 volt converted one worked that way for about a year. I converted the mechanical side of it but not the timer, instead it had two clockwork timers on top, one for wash and one for spin, plus a switch to select fill temperature. They were on top of the frame so it was impossible to refit the panels. Yes I am completely barmy but it worked and was very entertaining to watch, especially watching the drum dance about on spin.

Also my GEC (Hotpoint) purple door FL from the UK - you can remove the back panel and the one piece top/side panel, the drum supports on the two struts, though the front panel is a bit floppy and the inlet valves will be dangling by the hoses...

Chris.



Post# 84979 , Reply# 33   9/24/2005 at 13:58 (6,760 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
First Hotpoint Front Loader

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Hi Jon

Hotpoints first entry into the UK front loader market was 1970, (not 71 as previous said)this had the 1100rpm spin, which was unusually fast for the time.

Do you think you nans machine could have been this one because Hoover where all still 740 rpm until Feb 77 with the introduction of the "Electronic 800" the A3058, and then the A3060 1100rpm in 1978.This Hotpoint does look like the later Hoover models as well with the square raised door etc..


Post# 84981 , Reply# 34   9/24/2005 at 14:05 (6,760 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wow, is this the Which test? Thanks for posting Mike; that English Electric machine caught my eye...bears a striking resemblance to the late-60's Westinghouse FL with the side-swing door!! What's the year here?

Darren, congratulations! Those Servis machines sure look cool with the near-solid drum! I think you still need to keep the square-door Hoover though...or give it to Jon!


Post# 85002 , Reply# 35   9/24/2005 at 15:32 (6,760 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
My Nana's Hoover

Hi Mike,

My nana's Hoover was one of those that had the slider next to the door to release it, and had a a timer with one cycle and the 3 buttons to select the cycle. It was 1100rpm - so my nana could be wrong after all in terms of the date. She said she got the Hoover when she moved into her house in 1972, but who knows... Anyway, here's a pic off Ebay of the same washer she had. I guess you can identify the year from that?

Take care!

Jon


Post# 85017 , Reply# 36   9/24/2005 at 17:58 (6,760 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Which!!

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Austin

This report is the Which Consumer Report of 1970, this machine was the same as the Westinghouse models and am still trying to find a link etc..I think certain manufacturers had ties with each other so not having to re-invent the wheel, as in the GE/ UK Hotpoint FilterFlow machines etc.

Jon

The Hoover is the A3060, the new 1100rpm machine, so it was from 1978, I think its quite a classic with its greeny/black bezel, and was probably the most sought after machine of its time, the last Keymatic with 1100rpm was based on this machine, which was the A3062.


Post# 85020 , Reply# 37   9/24/2005 at 18:08 (6,760 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Time for an update!


weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell. my brother agreed being the great brother that he is, that he would pick the servis up with me & take it home. So i went to the place..."great its still there" i hadnt seen it close up...it looked pretty good! Then i look at the badge,which had been rebadged "electra", "thats fine i still know its a servis",,but "wheres the price?" So i ask some random hillybilly guy that works in the place how much..

& the fool tells me "its knackered!" also termanology for "broken;no longer working due to fault!" aha! & this half wit didnt tel me what was wrong with it..i didnt take it. i could've fixed it maybe...but i was hoping for a working model to start me off.


well now i can afford to be piccy, im hoping to get a model that has the whole panel for the door like in the pic mike kindly posted. i will be puttin ads on ebay & in the local Ad-mag. hopefully i'll get what im looking for!

spiraclean-thank you for that info! im particularly interested in the fact the distributions a bit quicker than average! im pleased to hear the waterlevels r high too.im afraid i'll b fairly uneconomical with water as i am now as i like thorough rinsing! dont let the waterboard hear me say that!!!! I should remember these machines as my mums best friend had them & i used to watch them endlessly but unfortunately now my 19th birthday has come & past the memory fails me slightly as i've seen so many machines in my existance! i also like the sound of that soak program! similar to the soak on my AEG! v good!

does anyone know what getting parts are like for these now?

*D*



Post# 85024 , Reply# 38   9/24/2005 at 18:57 (6,759 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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does anyone have any more servis pics they could share?

*D*


Post# 85077 , Reply# 39   9/25/2005 at 04:43 (6,759 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Servis Pics

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Classic washers before you where born!!!

In the seventies you didnt have a kitchen until you had a matching washer & dryer (Servis of course) and a Russell Hobbs K3p auto switch off kettle, swirly worktops, swirly floor & swirly walls!!!...

Believe it or not for the time, this was kitch not uncool....LOL

All that without taking LSD...LOL

Try this link for pics etc..


CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK


Post# 85080 , Reply# 40   9/25/2005 at 05:07 (6,759 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Yay! i didnt no that servis group existed mike! i've just joined :D

mike- indeed that happens to me..there are so many machines before my time that i would like to encounter...these servis machine come into that catagory!

so many machines so little time!!

Darren


Post# 85242 , Reply# 41   9/26/2005 at 07:45 (6,758 days old) by designgeek ()        

Swirly, eh? That and Really Bright Colors!

Re. the "eternity soak" feature (one revolution every 30 minutes until you press the Start button): that sounds really cool. Could be highly useful for getting dried-on dirt out, for example on work clothes used in construction or agriculture. Does any manufacturer have anything like that at present?

Re. computer-controlled: did they actually mean microprocessor & stored-program control, or did they mean integrated circuits used instead of mechanical timers? In the 70s, the former would have been fiendishly expensive, the latter would have been more likely and offer most of the same benefits.

The point where an actual microprocessor & software become most useful is where you have decision-points in a process flow, or have to integrate feedback into a system.



Post# 85304 , Reply# 42   9/26/2005 at 13:35 (6,758 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
ZUG

I can't find this click English from ZUG ???

Peter


Post# 85305 , Reply# 43   9/26/2005 at 13:43 (6,758 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Peter, there is not English website for Zug appliances. Only in German, Italian and French. Zug appliances are only sold in Switzerland (much to disappointment by some members here), not in the United States.

Post# 85568 , Reply# 44   9/27/2005 at 16:15 (6,757 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Well the search is on, i've placed an AD in the wanted section of a classifieds paper around my area..i wonder if anyone here could help me with locating a Servis?! just a though:D

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