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Post# 85888   9/28/2005 at 22:17 (6,755 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 85892 , Reply# 1   9/28/2005 at 22:38 (6,755 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 85897 , Reply# 2   9/28/2005 at 23:08 (6,755 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 85898 , Reply# 3   9/28/2005 at 23:13 (6,755 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I remember those were made about December 1960 Its hard to read Rick, it actually says December, 1950. The motor must have some kind of wheel or tire below the motor to drive the pump? Yes a rubber drive wheel pressed onto the bottom of the motor shaft. Looks like it moves on that rubber flange connecting the pump to the tub? Sure Does Does it run? It does now :) Did the first couple of loads in it tonight! |
Post# 85899 , Reply# 4   9/28/2005 at 23:29 (6,755 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)   |   | |
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I'm guessing it is a diaphram water level control and pump from a Norge, but not sure which year. |
Post# 85914 , Reply# 5   9/29/2005 at 06:37 (6,755 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85915 , Reply# 6   9/29/2005 at 06:39 (6,755 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85916 , Reply# 7   9/29/2005 at 06:40 (6,755 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85917 , Reply# 8   9/29/2005 at 06:42 (6,755 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85919 , Reply# 9   9/29/2005 at 06:46 (6,755 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85926 , Reply# 10   9/29/2005 at 07:20 (6,754 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 85928 , Reply# 11   9/29/2005 at 07:25 (6,754 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 85929 , Reply# 12   9/29/2005 at 07:26 (6,754 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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I'll guess Norge. |
Post# 85930 , Reply# 13   9/29/2005 at 07:27 (6,754 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 85945 , Reply# 14   9/29/2005 at 09:14 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I'm guessing it is a diaphram water level control and pump from a Norge, Sorry, try again. :) Whats that black box beside the water level switch It protects electrical contacts to a component that sticks into the tub and is energized at certain times during the cycle. Is this an early direct drive machine? I would say that is true statement. The gasket on that water Pump looks like a donut! Not as tasty though. Did you buy a 1,000 ft roll of Howard Johnson Orange wire?? That wire is original to the machine, I've never used orange wire before, except for new orange power cords. Did you put something extra in your fruit smoothie this morning dear? I'll guess Norge. Sorry, try again. :) A Norge pump. Nope Greg do you know what this is? |
Post# 85947 , Reply# 15   9/29/2005 at 09:28 (6,754 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)   |   | |
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Is it a pre-1951 direct drive GE? I'm dying here! |
Post# 85948 , Reply# 16   9/29/2005 at 09:28 (6,754 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)   |   | |
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OK, I'll say it's from a dishwasher! But, then again I don't know what I'm talking about! One has to try though! |
Post# 85954 , Reply# 17   9/29/2005 at 10:02 (6,754 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 85955 , Reply# 18   9/29/2005 at 10:03 (6,754 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 85958 , Reply# 19   9/29/2005 at 10:11 (6,754 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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"Saint James Infirmary Blues Autoclave/Dishwasher" |
Post# 85965 , Reply# 20   9/29/2005 at 11:16 (6,754 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 85966 , Reply# 21   9/29/2005 at 11:22 (6,754 days old) by gmpayne (INDIANAPOLIS, IN)   |   | |
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Iam guessing a Westy. |
Post# 85969 , Reply# 22   9/29/2005 at 11:44 (6,754 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 85972 , Reply# 23   9/29/2005 at 12:09 (6,754 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)   |   | |
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Hey now! I came home for lunch to see this and STILL no answer! Hurry up! |
Post# 85974 , Reply# 24   9/29/2005 at 12:18 (6,754 days old) by lightedcontrols ()   |   | |
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I think it's a GE toploader from the 50's? Mark |
Post# 85976 , Reply# 25   9/29/2005 at 12:35 (6,754 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85977 , Reply# 26   9/29/2005 at 12:37 (6,754 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85978 , Reply# 27   9/29/2005 at 12:45 (6,754 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)   |   | |
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Post# 85980 , Reply# 28   9/29/2005 at 12:51 (6,754 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85981 , Reply# 29   9/29/2005 at 13:04 (6,754 days old) by jaxsunst ()   |   | |
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I'm guessing, but I think it may be my favorite brand :-) |
Post# 85983 , Reply# 30   9/29/2005 at 13:21 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I’d say it’s a Beaty.... Nope. "Saint James Infirmary Blues Autoclave/Dishwasher" Nope again. For some reason it looks like it belonges to a frontloader, What type? I don't no! Let's just say Larry it’s a combination of top and front loading. I am guessing a Westy. ohhhh Gary is getting warmer I will guess an Easy automatic. Buzzzzz, incorrect, I'm sorry sir, please try again. Hey now! I came home for lunch to see this and STILL no answer! Hurry up! Ohhhhh you might have a little while longer missy. I think it's a GE toploader from the 50's? Mark Sorry Mark, Buzzzzzzz, try again. That’s what it is and IT has a window lid and it is white porcelain enamel! Oh I'm soooooo sorry DEAR, you are INCORRECT - BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ How could I have missed that! I must have been pre coffee! You better have another cup Dear. Does the basket bounce? I certainly hope not Veg, the housewife might get pissed at the results. And if I hear one more "dear" there's gonna be Dear Pancakes served up in Minne by the weekend! That sounds wonderful Dear, Please remember the Log Cabin syrup, it's my favorite. |
Post# 85985 , Reply# 31   9/29/2005 at 13:29 (6,754 days old) by jaxsunst ()   |   | |
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Is it one of the Hoovers (Keymatic, I think) that loads from the front and tilts back as the basket fills? I'm a beginner, but it is my best guess. |
Post# 85987 , Reply# 32   9/29/2005 at 13:30 (6,754 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85990 , Reply# 33   9/29/2005 at 13:45 (6,754 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 85996 , Reply# 34   9/29/2005 at 14:24 (6,754 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85998 , Reply# 35   9/29/2005 at 14:29 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I say it has a window lid! But IT DON'T Blanch, IT DON'T. my guess is Launderall that didn't have a window in the lid... I have never seen a Launderall without a window in it. Hint #4 Here is a brief summary about what Consumer Reports Said about this machine: Washing ability, excellent. Control Poor, only one knob. Pilot Light Total Cycle time about 37 minues. |
Post# 85999 , Reply# 36   9/29/2005 at 14:38 (6,754 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 86001 , Reply# 37   9/29/2005 at 14:57 (6,754 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 86002 , Reply# 38   9/29/2005 at 15:01 (6,754 days old) by jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)   |   | |
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I have taken one of these apart and put it back together many times. It is a 1950's Westinghouse Dishwasher Pump.
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Post# 86003 , Reply# 39   9/29/2005 at 15:08 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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And the Gold Star goes to John-Jakins, yay for the correct answer. And a Blue star goes to Bethann for being the first to suggest it was a Dishwasher! John, do you agree with Consumer Reports rating the cleaning ability of this Dishwasher as excellent? It seems to clean the best of any impeller dishwasher I have seen. But time will tell. I love the stainless steel racks, no vinyl coating to peel off and then rust. More pictures and video's (yes video's) to come once I get some plexiglas cut. |
Post# 86004 , Reply# 40   9/29/2005 at 15:10 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86005 , Reply# 41   9/29/2005 at 15:21 (6,754 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)   |   | |
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PIC? |
Post# 86008 , Reply# 42   9/29/2005 at 15:32 (6,754 days old) by jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)   |   | |
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Looks as if Glenn-DADoES was posting as I was typing. It is a great vintage dishwasher. Mine is also a 1950. It has no problem with todays standard 11 in plates. i have over the years owned many vintage dishwashers, this one as far as cleaning is second only to my 1958 Mobile Maid Bow Tie impeller machine. However It is by far the quietest vintage dishwasher that I have ever come across. The only problem I have ever had with the westinghouse is the pump the design of the tub is such that if you stop to put a forgotten piece into the machine you must make sure the the water on the upper lid stops dripping, if not it will run down the outside of the tub and the motor get on the fly wheel and the pump slips and will not drain. The pump must also be completely water tight as the slightest bit of water will be spun onto the rubber wheel on the bottom of the motor and again the pump will slip and fail to drain the machine. havent posted to the sight in a long time but I log on at least twice a day to see what is going on. See Ya John |
Post# 86010 , Reply# 43   9/29/2005 at 15:52 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Hi John, well its nice to see you posting again. Actually I was quite shocked at how quiet this dishwasher was too! The wash/rinse cycle is extremely short, if they had made it longer I bet it would be an excellent dishwasher. I don't see why exactly it seems to clean better than other impeller machines I have owned, but some Plexiglass might help with that mystery. More pictures later on tonight. |
Post# 86052 , Reply# 45   9/29/2005 at 20:41 (6,754 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 86053 , Reply# 46   9/29/2005 at 20:43 (6,754 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 86056 , Reply# 47   9/29/2005 at 20:49 (6,754 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)   |   | |
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Post# 86071 , Reply# 49   9/29/2005 at 21:51 (6,754 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)   |   | |
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If I catch you yelling again, I'm driving to Ft. Wayne and dying your hair PLATINUM! I suppose this is why your first wife divorced you! LMAO! |
Post# 86076 , Reply# 51   9/29/2005 at 22:18 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86077 , Reply# 52   9/29/2005 at 22:18 (6,754 days old) by thirtyater ()   |   | |
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Poor Bethann I think you got the pump shaft. You deserve better than a blue star. |
Post# 86078 , Reply# 53   9/29/2005 at 22:19 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86079 , Reply# 54   9/29/2005 at 22:20 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86081 , Reply# 55   9/29/2005 at 22:20 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86082 , Reply# 56   9/29/2005 at 22:21 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86083 , Reply# 57   9/29/2005 at 22:22 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86084 , Reply# 58   9/29/2005 at 22:23 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86085 , Reply# 59   9/29/2005 at 22:23 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86086 , Reply# 60   9/29/2005 at 22:24 (6,754 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)   |   | |
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That is a very nice looking machine Robert. I've never seen one before. Where did you install her at? I know it's not the kitchen. ( Unless you ripped up the newly installed floor!) Garage? |
Post# 86087 , Reply# 61   9/29/2005 at 22:24 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86088 , Reply# 62   9/29/2005 at 22:25 (6,754 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 86091 , Reply# 63   9/29/2005 at 22:43 (6,754 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 86096 , Reply# 64   9/29/2005 at 23:06 (6,754 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 86098 , Reply# 65   9/29/2005 at 23:16 (6,754 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Thanks for the neat pictures Robert. I am amazed that the dishes all got so clean. Where do you have this beauty installed at? Terry |
Post# 86109 , Reply# 66   9/30/2005 at 06:05 (6,754 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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May I ask how the water seat at the top works? I'd love to request a pic IAAP (If at all possible). Said: I love the stainless steel racks, no vinyl coating to peel off and then rust. Respose: Isn't vinyl or better yet a nylon coating easier on the dishes and glasses? In Toggle's fantasy-land coating over SS is the ideal! |
Post# 86110 , Reply# 67   9/30/2005 at 06:07 (6,754 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 86111 , Reply# 68   9/30/2005 at 06:08 (6,754 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 86120 , Reply# 69   9/30/2005 at 07:28 (6,753 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 86130 , Reply# 71   9/30/2005 at 09:16 (6,753 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 86132 , Reply# 72   9/30/2005 at 09:25 (6,753 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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The dishwasher had a few problems that needed to be fixed. It only would fill for the first rinse, so I opened up the timer and I sanded down and spray cleaned the fill contact, works perfectly now. The pump was leaking which is now fixed and I installed a stronger return spring on the pump so it presses the pump pulley against the rubber motor rotor with greater pressure. If found, just like John did, that if the pump got wet it wouldn't pump very well, but the stronger spring seems to help quite a bit. Terry the Westinghouse is installed downstairs in my workshop. I installed a row of cabinets with a Formica worktop and two 24" slots with plans of someday installing two dishwashers in there. The Westinghouse is the first to actually be installed in that area. Steve I thought the same thing about stainless steel racks that you have to load more carefully as not to chip anything glass. But that's a small price to pay to have absolutely perfect, defect free, 55 year old dishwasher racks. When you close the draw the floating metal lid in the ceiling of the dishwasher comes down locks against the big rubber gasket around the top of the dishwasher tank. The cycle is: 1.5 min drain 1.5 spray rinse 1.5 min drain 45 sec fill 5 min wash 2.25 min drain 45 sec fill 45 second rinse 2.25 min drain 45 sec fill 45 second rinse 22 minute dry Tom if I would tinker with the cycle of this dishwasher what I would do is get one of those adjustable bi-metal electrical relays. The relay works by opening and closing a switch at a manually adjustable time interval such as 30 seconds on and 30 seconds off. I would wire the relay in series with the timer motor, which would turn the timer motor on and off ever 30 or 45 seconds (or what ever time period I choose). This would double or triple the entire cycle time. I would probably open the timer up and shave down the dry cam so the heater is only on for twenty minutes and the rest would be a cool fan dry. The heater is only run during the dry cycle, but I would rewire it to run with whenever the motor is running, which would make this a great performing dishwasher for 1950. But I’m probably not going to tinker with this dishwasher and leave it as Westinghouse intended it to be. BUT tonight I’m picking up one of my ultimate #1 dream dishwasher which probably will get tinkered with because it’s too cool to be such a bad performer. More to come on that later on in the weekend. |
Post# 86139 , Reply# 73   9/30/2005 at 10:26 (6,753 days old) by lightedcontrols ()   |   | |
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You ALWAYS keep us in suspense! You're "ULTIMATE" dream dishwasher?!?!?!? Mark |
Post# 86146 , Reply# 74   9/30/2005 at 11:23 (6,753 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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Oh great, more suspense and excitement! |
Post# 86154 , Reply# 75   9/30/2005 at 13:19 (6,753 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Yes this new Fabulous dishwasher that I'm very excited about, is coming down the pike, that's what got a fire lit under my tail to get the '50 Westinghouse all restored and installed before this new arrival tonight. It's coming from a fellow Applianceville collector who decided they didn't want to keep it in their collection and was so very kind to offer it to me and asked that I provide lots of pictures and a video, which is the least I can do. It arrived today and I can't wait to see it. It's going to need some mechanical work, but it will be a fun new challenge, I've only seen one of these before in my entire life and I have never seen one run. Pictures of my #1 dream dishwasher and our mystery gift giver will be revealed later on tonight. Along with a BIG thank you. |
Post# 86163 , Reply# 76   9/30/2005 at 14:01 (6,753 days old) by brent-aucoin ()   |   | |
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Fun Robert! Your Westinghouse is in great shape! Can't wait to see your other mystery dishwasher! Thanks for the pictures. Brent |
Post# 86169 , Reply# 78   9/30/2005 at 14:21 (6,753 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 86184 , Reply# 79   9/30/2005 at 15:25 (6,753 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)   |   | |
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Post# 86199 , Reply# 80   9/30/2005 at 15:57 (6,753 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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With in the last 30 days, I have encountered and am in the process, ( 1 item sits in the carport, being patient!)of securing a total of 5 items completely appropriate for inclusion in this venue. I love it! Hi Darrel, oooh that sounds very exciting, when are we going to get to see what what's sitting in your carport? Signed, waiting patiently in Minnie. |
Post# 86208 , Reply# 81   9/30/2005 at 16:53 (6,753 days old) by mikepaquette ()   |   | |
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Hey I have a feeling his name starts with a C. Very nice machine. Good for you. Michael |
Post# 86225 , Reply# 82   9/30/2005 at 18:32 (6,753 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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tomTurbo, taht "newer WH rollout" you referred to sounds just like the model that aws acrtoss the street from us when we moved into our house. I loved sitting on the floor in front of the machine just listening to it during that long wash phase. Sometimes I'd even put my ear nextt to it and listen to the rubling. This one also appeared to use the temp boost a bit during the final rinse also. The housewife considered it to be a very poor performer, said nothing cleaned. I suspect it had more to do with the stale detergent put in the "dispenser" after a clean load was emptied until the dirty load was run rather than all the dishes being melmac.
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Post# 86226 , Reply# 83   9/30/2005 at 18:33 (6,753 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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