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Post# 524241 , Reply# 1   6/13/2011 at 10:49 (4,698 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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That's valid. As the Consumer's Reports article pointed out, with many brands, the uber TOL was like this GE and the beloved Maytag 902/906 series offered the consumer less choices and were less versatile than many less expensive machines.
My response was then and is now, "So what?". I thought it was presumptuous of CU to expect that their choices would reflect the wants/needs of all buyers of washing machines. People like my Mother would have been very happy with being able to push one button or one control for her washing machine.
Like most women at that time, she NEVER washed silks or woolens in the machine and, for the most part, would have used one setting 99% of the time. I don't have the numbers at my fingertips, but I would expect that for the entire United States, probably 95% of the time, or more, people used their washers the same way with the same settings for almost every washload. I don't remember ANYBODY in our household (besides me, of course) using the low speed on our Filter-Flo. Mae, our surrogate mother, was a poet of laundry and would occasionally use the short cycle on the GE if she had a quick leftover load of lightly soiled clothing. Occasionally, she would use the "Under-6" load select setting for similar reasons. But for 99% of the time in our houselhold those 4 buttons stayed on "NORMAL", "WARM" "WARM" and "LARGE 10 - 12" which was the second button setting on the TOL GE from 1958 to 1972. Ironically, my Grandmother, my Mother's mother who had practically the same V-12 Filter-Flo as we, washed EVERYTHING on the slow speed setting because she thought the normal setting was too rough. So those same 4 buttons remained on the same settings except the speed button was always turned down to "SLOW". I'm almost sure the slow setting probably matched the oscillations on her wringer machine that remained in her basement until the day she died, just in case the new-fangled automatic failed her.
The Maytag A806 and the usually 2nd from the TOL on other brands were always the machines of choice for people like me, who loved to push buttons and play around with the machines to see what they could do. Think about how many of your mothers who could drive ever used the D2, and/or L settings on their automatic transmissions, or for that matter, ever knew what they were for? |
Post# 524249 , Reply# 3   6/13/2011 at 11:41 (4,698 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Oh, come on. Now you KNOW I want all the lights, all the buttons, all the cycles, all the dials AND the 2-way dryer door plus totally ridiculous and nonsensical cheap wood panel trim. I mean what kind of vintage appliance slut would I be? Please remember that one of the most important icons that got me into this obsession was a 1961 MOL GE Filter-flo whose beautiful white control dial lit up when you moved it from "OFF" to an active portion of the cycle. Now she was my HAL.
By the way, have you ever thought what the hotel room at the end of the movie would have looked like if HAL had killed Keir Dullea on a space walk and left cute Gary Lockwood alive to become the star child?
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Post# 524259 , Reply# 5   6/13/2011 at 12:06 (4,698 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Post# 524260 , Reply# 6   6/13/2011 at 12:33 (4,698 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)   |   | |
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I think TomT is right. We folks in AW prefer all the buttons and knobs, but most of my friends laugh at me and say that their machine is stuck on warm/cold, 12 minutes, normal speed for years at a time, no questions asked. While each machine I get immediately becomes my favorite and my daily driver, I must say that the Whirlpool TOL all-automatic pre-set cycles is pretty boring and unvariable. I have to read inside the lid each time to decide what is closest to what I want per load. But the GE filter-flo, I decide on 3 switches, spin the cycle knob to what I want, and all is set, I don't have to read instructions or charts inside the lid to decide, it's all easy to read console controls.
That being said, the TOL WP/KM works wonderfully and gets clothes clean for sure. What I really miss the most is the cycle knob showing where in the cycle it is. My WP is blank blank blank, I have no idea if there is 3 minutes to go or what, can't tell if it's in spin after wash or spin at end, etc, I miss the damn timer knob. |
Post# 524266 , Reply# 7   6/13/2011 at 13:34 (4,698 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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I never gave this much thought until I joined AW.org and quickly realized all the appreciation that is awarded the TOL machines, especially truly vintage models.
I grew up strictly with MOL or upper MOL Kenmores. My mother had largely had the same machine each time she purchased, and I got my own version of the same when I bought my first new washer, though I went maybe one notch below hers in the line because that's what was on sale at the time. The only truly top-of-the-line machine I was ever goo-goo about as a kid was the 1963 Lady Kenmore, mostly because they were so plentiful that I saw many of them, and they were so incredibly attractive. In reality, I think the comments are correct about certain aspects of these machines being less flexible or less simple to use than their lower line siblings. Similar to Mark's WP that doesn't let you know how far it has progressed in a cycle, the 1965 Lady K has cycles marked on the console, but the console makes no effort to show you which cycle is which, or how many minutes the wash times offer, etc. This is the same on the 1961 Kenmore push button 70 series. This would annoy me on a daily driver. One thing that I find very ironic that developed from the 1960s to the early 1980s involves timer set automatic temperatures. Originally, if a machine could prescribe these automatically, it was considered 'fancy' or was touted as having extra features so the user didn't have to decide or even think very much. In Kenmores we call these 'Alphabet' washers as each resulting cycle was delineated by a cycle letter, A, B, C, etc. By the late 1970s, this became a feature in Kenmores (maybe other brands as well?) that the user could enable or disable. BOL models retained timer set temps, and they were considered to be less flexible by salespeople, marketers, and buyers, however they were mechanically set-up just like their "fancy" counterparts were 15 years earlier, etc. For me, the most useful washer is one which has infinite water levels (so I can fill it to where I want in wash, and it fills there again exactly for rinse), a normal wash that doesn't have auto temps or has an automatic cold rinse, manual temperature settings which I can manually manipulate as the machine fills, and perhaps offers a second speed for occasional use (which I use maybe once every two or three months). All the other stuff is fun to play with but absolutely unnecessary for me. I was just discussing this the other day with an AW.org regular, but I am probably one of those people who could have easily adjusted to a true BOL machine, even one without a water level adjustment provided the tub was standard capacity not large. On the other hand, I have closely studied the mid-80s Lady Kenmores, which would have been fun to purchase new, but the pair was more than $250 more expensive than the 70-series I bought, and there is absolutely nothing on the Lady that I have missed on my machine, with the exception of the infinite water level (my machine has 3 settings). Overall, I know that TOL machines are fun, but for me anyway, unnecessary. Gordon |
Post# 524318 , Reply# 9   6/13/2011 at 19:56 (4,697 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I just simply have all the various cycle buttons & combinations memorized fairly quickly, whether it be Norge, LK, Maytag, or GE (with the 8 or 10 rogrammed version which was my favorite of GEs. It's all fairly intujitive and logical. Not much variation between manufacturers really. Only teh WCI65, and th subsequent 66 and 1967 models baffled me a little bit with their durable vs. man-made wash'n'wear/durable press cycle button combinations. |
Post# 524342 , Reply# 11   6/13/2011 at 21:52 (4,697 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 524387 , Reply# 13   6/14/2011 at 04:02 (4,697 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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The same "condition" would have applied to them. If the lid wasn't kept open for drain, the machine would partially drain (until the water level switch reset), then shift into spin until the water kicked up high enough to trigger the pressure switch again and drop back to neutral drain until the water swirled down. Alternating between spin and neutral drain may repeat more than once depending on the initial water level and how quickly enough water drains to not trigger the pressure switch when it spins up. |
Post# 524405 , Reply# 14   6/14/2011 at 05:38 (4,697 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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I found that the spinning and stopping could be taken care of by holding the water level switch to RESET to override the pressure switch. |
Post# 524407 , Reply# 15   6/14/2011 at 05:47 (4,697 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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