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Belt drive spray rinses: how are they timed?
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Post# 525953   6/21/2011 at 00:16 (4,664 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

IIRC, on the WP/KM belt drives, the timer increment is either 30 or 60 seconds. It occurred to me today: the spray rinses are considerably shorter than 30 seconds. So the question is: how does the timer time them? Does it have a separate gear train that increments at the duration of the spray rinse?




Post# 525956 , Reply# 1   6/21/2011 at 00:29 (4,664 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Thats a good question  Cornutt.  By the mid 70's  the sprays were so short, i thought at the time why bother?  We had a Maytag prior to the mid 70's Kenmore and it gave you a whole "timer click" spray rinse about 45 seconds to 1 minute.  alr2903


Post# 525985 , Reply# 2   6/21/2011 at 07:05 (4,664 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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These machines timers have a small separate cam in the timer that is faster moving that operates the spray rinses when called for by one of the primary cam switches. WP did this because WP BD machines filled at a much faster rate than MT and a 30 second or longer spray rinse would overwhelm the pump out ability of the pump while trying to spin. Its also a little more effective to let the spray rinse water spin completely through the clothing before adding more. These timers with the separate cam are a little more complcated and expensive to make, but I would guess that the engineers at WP wanted to do it this way.


Post# 526005 , Reply# 3   6/21/2011 at 09:34 (4,664 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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To expand a little bit on what John said, the spray rinse segment of the cycle on newer models is always the first timer increment of the spin phase. In BDs made the last ten years or so, this is the only spin increment between wash and rinse, and the first of three increments in the final spin of the Normal cycle.

I have heard here on the site many times that the spray rinses last for 7 seconds, though I have one machine which seems to spray for closer to 5 seconds. It does however seem that this varies ever slightly by the individual timer itself.

I generally gauge a machine's basket drive health in how fast the machine accelerates and if the spray rinses begin well after the machine has reached full-speed spin and 'settled' in before the sprays begin.

G




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Post# 526012 , Reply# 4   6/21/2011 at 09:44 (4,664 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WP & KM BD WASHER SPRAY RINSES

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On the 1950s machines there was a full timer increment of spin before the spray rinses began, the time was used to extract the suds water from the dripping wet clothes and the suds valve remained energized during this time to capture and store this extra water.


Post# 526017 , Reply# 5   6/21/2011 at 09:55 (4,664 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

John, you said that the self cleaning filter did not flush the lint from the filter until the suds valve closed so that the lint would go down the drain instead of into the saved wash water. Was there enough water in the brief sprays to flush the filter?

Post# 526021 , Reply# 6   6/21/2011 at 10:20 (4,664 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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By the time the self-cleaning filters were around the suds valve was denergized as soon as the machine started to spin and from may experience there was enough water being discharged to flush out the filter completely. Wouldn't it be fun to get one of the clear plastic filters that they used to have hooked up to machine at the Sears stores to demonstrate this nifty feature.


Post# 526051 , Reply# 7   6/21/2011 at 14:19 (4,663 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The LJA3200 that was my parents' first machine had 75-sec (1 min 15 sec) timer increments.  All drain periods were two increments.  Post-wash spin on Normal was three increments, with the last two each having two sprays.


Post# 526056 , Reply# 8   6/21/2011 at 14:29 (4,663 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Malcolm -

I'll be careful in speaking too generally as there may have been some variations in the early days in BD machines that I've never experienced, BUT, I am only aware of timers with 60-second and 120-second increments, and the vast majority of those are the 120-second design, especially in later models. I think the 60-second timer models were for BOL machines only with very limited cycles.

The most complicated of timers (typically those used in multi-cycle Lady Kenmores and the like) would be the candidates for higher second increments, but none of the Ladies from 1970 to the end of the belt-drives had greater than 120-second set-ups, not that I've ever heard of anyway. Some of these timers are very complex as compared to mid-line models, with two sets of switchbanks instead of one, many cam 'channels' and a lot going on in each cycle as there needs to be cams and switches to turn on an off detergent valves, to energize various solenoids, and etc.

I have always thought that the Enzyme Soak cycles, which in the early 1970s were 30 minutes in duration, were shortened to 22 minutes by the mid 70s in part to gain back four 'clicks' on the timer, which must have been needed elsewhere. The off positions on these timers were usually one only or two clicks wide (with the exception of non-suds timers that were OFF in what would otherwise be a suds return spot). The two Kenmores we had with Soak cycles don't have four clicks to spare anywhere on the dial.

Gordon


Post# 526080 , Reply# 9   6/21/2011 at 16:21 (4,663 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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You guys are loaded with such great information the talents on here are incredible.
WP/KM Spray rinses seems that my model is 7 seconds.
 


 


Darren k


Post# 526156 , Reply# 10   6/22/2011 at 00:10 (4,663 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Thanks  guy's  I had no idea that the KM's filled faster than the MT's ,  but it sure makes perfect sense now. thanks   alr2903

 


Post# 526158 , Reply# 11   6/22/2011 at 00:33 (4,663 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        

Darren K,thank you for the vid(s). Your LK really sounds/runs good. Feel like I'm in the 'Time Tunnel' & went right back to an incomparable 60's Sears Washers/Dryers department. What a washer lovers dream they were!
Without this forum,I think many of us would crack seeing/hearing nothing but the crap(washers,ETC)around today.



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