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Thread Number: 35303
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Post# 527589 6/29/2011 at 10:35 (4,682 days old) by Unimatic1140  (Minneapolis) |
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So now that I have all the leaks and other issues fixed on our new 1965 Lady Kenmore Roto-Rack dishwasher I've been washing dishes in it YAY!
What I have noticed is when the upper rack is empty it spins at quite a good clip, but when it is full it hardly turns if at all. Isn't the upper rack in these machines always suppose to turn? | ||
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Post# 527593 , Reply# 1 6/29/2011 at 11:17 (4,682 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 527612 , Reply# 2 6/29/2011 at 13:37 (4,682 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Robert... Im not sure, but I think that the load needs to be somewhat balanced to make it rotate correctly, but yes, it should always rotate with any load, it wont wash correctly if it does not, I love it!! anything that says Lady Kenmore gets my vote! | ||
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Post# 527686 , Reply# 5 6/29/2011 at 17:54 (4,682 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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ROTO RACK ROTATION Robert make sure the little ball bearing race is still in place on the spindle that holds the RR. This was one of at least 15 things that broke on our 1966 KM RR DW that we had growing up. The little nylon holder broke and allowed the little SS ball bearings to all let go and they instantly got caught in the drain pump impeller and destroyed it, this was one of the at least 6 times that the pump was repaired or replaced in our pathetic machine. After this happened the RR never rotated as well but I don't think that we kept the DW much longer. | ||
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Post# 527731 , Reply# 6 6/29/2011 at 22:03 (4,682 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis) |
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Nothing but trouble.... | ||
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Post# 527788 , Reply# 7 6/30/2011 at 06:53 (4,681 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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D&M DISHWASHER QUALITY Actually they got even worse as they moved into the 1970s and 1980s all the way through threw till Electlox changed to the terrible Frigidare tall tub machines they are still selling.
By 1968 D & M started attaching the door gasket to the tank with little SS clips that clipped through holes in the tank and this design was always good for lots of leaks. Interestingly KA started doing the same thing with the interduction of the 18 series machines but they never had any real problems with their machines leaking in this area. And by the late 1960s the vent plate in the door changed from a porcelain coated steel plate to a plastisol coated one and it would soon rust and cause leaks around the lower door area.
Dishwashers like these and WH, Tappan, Wasteking and of corse plastisol coated GEs quickly made dishwashers the shortest lived major appliance. This led to a booming replacement market and many people wanted something better, this really helped KA, MT, WP and GE in the 1980s sell upper line machines. | ||
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Post# 527801 , Reply# 8 6/30/2011 at 07:29 (4,681 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA) |
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Robert,
Yes they are supposed to always turn. On the earlier baskets (low rise) it was always crucial to balance the weight of the load evenly, later they went with the higher rise basket, with better bearings that would spin easier. Congrats on getting the unit running. They are strong washing units. I always enjoyed hearing the sound of the basket spinning,as it hummed along while going through all the cycles. Its better than T.V. Might you be thinking about a plexiglas cover? We would all love watching a video of it. Hint Hint. LOL Hugs, David | ||
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Post# 527846 , Reply# 9 6/30/2011 at 11:42 (4,681 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Thanks guys, what I did was to take the wash arm off and place a baking sheet over the arm hub and push the lower rack back in. This allowed me to operate the dishwasher with the door open so I can see how the top rack spray works. The problem was definitely in both balance and not leaving large open areas of the rack. Problem is solved. I also found a brand new pump and motor assembly for the machine which will help keep it going for a long time.
Now to begin the fun work, of moving the detergent dispenser to the side of the machine, adding a huge window, making a window frame and lighting it from the side. More to come in the coming months on this machine. | ||
| Post# 527855 , Reply# 10 6/30/2011 at 12:34 (4,681 days old) by AutowasherFreak () | ||
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A window in the RR, how cool that will be to watch!
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Post# 527941 , Reply# 11 6/30/2011 at 21:15 (4,681 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Roto Rack!
I got one of the first bewitched shows that shows the roto rack with window model at the end of the show.
Enjoy folks, Peter CLICK HERE TO GO TO peteski50's LINK | ||
| Post# 527947 , Reply# 12 6/30/2011 at 21:44 (4,681 days old) by henry200 () | ||
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Thanks Peter I loved Bewitched but had forgotten some of those early episodes. That dishwasher shot at the end was a bonus treat! | ||
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Post# 528019 , Reply# 13 7/1/2011 at 09:27 (4,680 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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CONGRATS!
By the way, my mother had a 1968 Lady Kenmore, with a fabulous Roto-rack and no visible timer. That thing had so many indicator and neon lights it was a blast! In the next house we had a more MOL Kenmore of the '73/'74 vintage; it had a visible timer. Did the drying blower actual suck or blow from the tank/tub. I don't remember. | ||
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Post# 528514 , Reply# 14 7/3/2011 at 19:32 (4,678 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I don't think it would be smart to suck the humid air out of the tank and send it into the motor area; not that smarts would have much bearing in anything D&M would do in designing a DW. Only if it were cheaper to do would it be done. | ||
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Post# 528567 , Reply# 17 7/4/2011 at 07:01 (4,677 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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D&M DW FORCED AIR DRYING The small blower motor and fan pulled air out of the tank and discharged the hot humid air under the DW. It doesn't sound like a great idea, but I never saw it cause any problems either. The motor would normally be too hot from running when the DW started its dry cycle for and water to condense on it and harm it. And if you figure that most DWs are only run once per day it probably wont hurt most cabinets that much. The worst thing would be that many DWs are installed on outside walls of houses and in an old poorly insulated house in a cold climate you could easily get a lot of condensation on the wall and maybe some black mold. But few worried about black mold in the 1970s. | ||
| Post# 530797 , Reply# 18 7/15/2011 at 10:36 (4,666 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
Hello Guys and members of A.W. ...
I've been away on a road trip with Mike ( Dishwashercrazy ) And what a fantastic Trip !!! I'll post the trip in increments in various Threads to come ... Robert & Fred opened their home to Mike and I in the middle of our trip which I'll post later. Thanks so much guys... I have learned alot from both of you and had the best time of my life ! Since Robert posted this dishwasher serveral weeks ago, I think you guys want to hear it before it goes to the next phase of his project. Yeah... another pimped out machine D & M style this time, wishing you the best of luck in the process ! Lady K Start wash... | ||
| Post# 530800 , Reply# 19 7/15/2011 at 10:41 (4,666 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 530802 , Reply# 20 7/15/2011 at 10:49 (4,666 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Vid 3. Mike is laughing in the backeground while Robert says it's leaks when you open the door he said after.. those DM machines... lol.
This post was last edited 07/15/2011 at 13:59 | ||
| Post# 530804 , Reply# 21 7/15/2011 at 10:54 (4,666 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 530823 , Reply# 22 7/15/2011 at 13:11 (4,666 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Great videos Darren!
Yes work has begun on breaking another hidden cycle and bringing roto-rack action into full view. Glass door has been completed and works completely leak-free. Next steps moving the wires so they run down along the edge of the door and moving the detergent dispenser to the side of the machine. 
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| Post# 530827 , Reply# 23 7/15/2011 at 13:30 (4,666 days old) by AutowasherFreak () | ||
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Robert you are a true Genius!
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| Post# 530834 , Reply# 24 7/15/2011 at 14:05 (4,666 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
Wow! | ||
| Post# 530841 , Reply# 26 7/15/2011 at 14:46 (4,666 days old) by HooverWheelAway () | ||
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My favorite... First test-run with the window!
Lost in thought! :-) 
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Post# 530842 , Reply# 27 7/15/2011 at 14:50 (4,666 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 530844 , Reply# 28 7/15/2011 at 15:00 (4,666 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Awe | ||
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Post# 530866 , Reply# 29 7/15/2011 at 16:35 (4,666 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 530882 , Reply# 30 7/15/2011 at 21:54 (4,666 days old) by A440 () | ||
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This dishwasher will be so much fun! So much to watch in the Roto - Rack Machines! Can't wait to see the final product!
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| Post# 530943 , Reply# 31 7/16/2011 at 10:56 (4,665 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
The Wizard of Awg | ||
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Post# 531716 , Reply# 32 7/19/2011 at 23:44 (4,662 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 531717 , Reply# 33 7/19/2011 at 23:45 (4,662 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 531727 , Reply# 34 7/20/2011 at 01:58 (4,661 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Incredible | ||
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Post# 531742 , Reply# 35 7/20/2011 at 07:15 (4,661 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 531746 , Reply# 36 7/20/2011 at 07:38 (4,661 days old) by henry200 () | ||
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Wow Robert, you're really coming along on that project. I can't wait to see the final result! I remember being mesmerized by the roto rack "show" at Sears. With this machine across from your Kitchenaid a person could get whiplash watching both in action! | ||
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Post# 531748 , Reply# 37 7/20/2011 at 07:57 (4,661 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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REMOUNTED DETERGENT DISPENSER Robert you are going to have to tip the DW on its side to fill these LOL. I know that you probably intend to use the little tablets but these often foam too much especially if you use more than one. Although you could take old ice-cube trays and mold your own tablets by using powered detergent and making it damp and then freezing them and storing them in the freezer. | ||
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Post# 531753 , Reply# 38 7/20/2011 at 08:54 (4,661 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I know that you probably intend to use the little tablets bu
Yes, my design is made for the detergent tablets, the have worked just fine in the KA for two years and them seem to do a good job in this machine as well. I never found a need to use more than one. We've stocked up with about 2 - 3 years worth of phosphated Cascade detergent pacs which really don't foam much at all. That's one great thing about the window is you can really see what is going on in there.
You can even fill the Jet-Dry dispenser easily, although you can't fill it as full as if it was laying down, you still can fill it 2/3rd of the way up before it runs out the fill hole. | ||
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Post# 531759 , Reply# 39 7/20/2011 at 09:14 (4,661 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Something to look forward to! When I become a filthy rich supply-sider I'm going to hire you to pimp one of my dishwashers. When I was young, our downstairs friends had a Hotpoint "Custom Crest" front loader and 3 boys. Dr. Kessler promised sons that he was going to install a window in the dishwasher so they could watch it work while they ate at the breakfast table. Up until AW I always thought doing this was near impossible. How delightful that it can, in fact, be done!
I've always said that I thought it would be a great marketing coup for a contemporary American manufacturer to put a window in the door. Interesting that it hasn't happened yet probably because the current vogue for all the rich princesses is to have "integrated" appliances (oh my Lord, I can hardly see your dishwasher or your Sub Zero. You must be so special!!!!). | ||
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Post# 531769 , Reply# 40 7/20/2011 at 10:34 (4,661 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I think the other and probably more pertinent reason for no windows in dishwashers is this. Lets say you load it with a 1/3 full load after dinner and the spaghetti sauce runs off of the plates and onto the window, you close the dishwasher door and it runs down the entire length of the window. It's not the prettiest thing to look at. Then in the morning you load the breakfast dishes into the machine and the pancake syrup runs off of the plates, mixes with the dried spaghetti sauce from last night and makes more "food art" ooze on the window. Since the machine isn't quite full yet, you look at that all day until the next meal when the machine is full and ready to be run.
Now for me and I suspect for most of us here, I love looking at the "food art on the window" as it means fun things to come, but for the average home owner, probably not so much. What I find interesting is 99% of the time when an non-appliance person comes to visit our house and they see our window door KitchenAid they don't even notice that the dishwasher has window until I point it out. | ||
| Post# 531775 , Reply# 41 7/20/2011 at 11:06 (4,661 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Robert this is going to be another fun dishwasher for you! I can't imagine your KA and Roto running at the same time! Too much fun for one person! The window appears to be larger than your KA. Did you do most of the door? Thanks for the updates and pictures! Brent | ||
| Post# 531778 , Reply# 42 7/20/2011 at 11:24 (4,661 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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when an non-appliance person comes to visit our house and th | ||
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Post# 531828 , Reply# 43 7/20/2011 at 15:05 (4,661 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 531854 , Reply# 44 7/20/2011 at 16:00 (4,661 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles) |
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This is all so cool, opening a window into a Lady's secret world! | ||
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Post# 531858 , Reply# 45 7/20/2011 at 16:27 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Kenmore! | ||
| Post# 532087 , Reply# 46 7/21/2011 at 20:09 (4,660 days old) by AutowasherFreak () | ||
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I agree with you Peter! | ||
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