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Thread Number: 35421
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| Post# 528926 7/5/2011 at 22:23 (2,183 days old) by bwoods (Oak Ridge, Tennessee (formerly Dayton, Ohio)) | ||
Any of you aware of any new washers that still offer a warm rinse?? I was looking at GE's at Lowes the other day and could not find one model with a warm rinse option.
I don't know about you, but what makes manufactures think they have a right to eliminate this option for consumers? I want to be as environmentally friendly as the next guy, but things are getting a little ridiculous. In my case, I have an allergic reaction to detergents and cold rinses will just not do the trick. Sometimes I even turn the cold water faucet off and let the machine rinse with straight hot water. The suds pour out, even after a cold rinse with the pumped out rinse water looking clear. Many people who still use cloth diapers also like to make sure their childrens diapers do not have detergent/dirt residue in them. Am I dreaming, or did an early 1970's Lady Kenmore washer offer a hot rinse option?? | ||
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| Post# 528929 , Reply# 1 7/5/2011 at 23:23 (2,183 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
so far the only washer in the top load category offering a warm rinse is the fridgedair top load washer but the warm rise is actualy dumb down and unless your willing to buy a vintage washer thats dates from 1950 to the end of the 1990 all newer washer offers only all cold rinses in the top load models unless the he top load model have a warm rinse option but so far the only models of washer i know of that offers a warm rinse are front load washers. Like this model to be precise. or you could always look for a speed queen and ask if they could have on a special order a washer with a warm rinse option.
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Post# 528931 , Reply# 2 7/5/2011 at 23:48 (2,183 days old) by arbilab  (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) |
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My 1998 Frigidaire Gallery FL has a warm rinse option. And you're right, you get more suds on warm than cold so SOMEthing is happening. Warm rinse might ding their energy rating, is probably why fewer offer it today. | ||
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Post# 528932 , Reply# 3 7/5/2011 at 23:51 (2,183 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 528934 , Reply# 4 7/5/2011 at 23:53 (2,183 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
My friends one piece/stacked Kenmore unit that was like 5 years old I think, had the warm/warm option but the rinse still came out cold! I even turned the cold water off at the faucet and nothing came out at all. So I'm guessing the spray rinse during the spin between the wash and rinse cycles was probably warm and not the actual rinse cycle. Could that be possible? I was disappointed. The unit said Kenmore all over it, but it was definitely Frigidaire hardware. It had the solid vane agitator that did the half stroke one way and tub index and quarter stroke the other way.
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Post# 528939 , Reply# 5 7/6/2011 at 00:43 (2,183 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) |
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Frig 2140 has warm rinse after warm wash. My Frigidaire 2140 has hot-cold, warm-cold, warm-warm, and cold-cold options. Still sold at stores, not sure if still in production. My guess would be that the similar 2940 also offers the same temp combinations. | ||
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Post# 528955 , Reply# 6 7/6/2011 at 03:10 (2,183 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Are you sure all of the rinses are warm? In many machines with multiple rinses, it is only the last rinse that is warm. | ||
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Post# 528966 , Reply# 7 7/6/2011 at 07:31 (2,183 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md) |
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WARM RINSES I have never seen any scientific evidence that warm rinses work any better and in fact because they activate the residual detergent in the clothes they may not even rinse as well, that is why you see more foam when trying to rinse in warm water. Every detergent manufacturer recommends always rinsing in cold water for all loads and you may cause more mold, mildew and odor problems in your machine and clean laundry by using a warm rinse. No KM, WP, GE, MT, SQ, Etc. Etc ever had a hot rinse there were a very few machines where this was possible such as the mechanical Blackstones in the 1950s but they did not recommend it.
All that said there are many ways that you can get a warm rinse in any machine ever made if that is what you want. Several folks on this site have installed tempering valves in thier laundry room plumbing so they can control the cold water available to the machine. This way the washer has no choice but to rinse in warm water, the machine just thinks that in is in south Florida. | ||
| Post# 528978 , Reply# 9 7/6/2011 at 08:10 (2,183 days old) by bwoods (Oak Ridge, Tennessee (formerly Dayton, Ohio)) | ||
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Thanks for the tips everyone. It looks like I'll be sticking to my vintage GE's and Frigidaire's for proper rinsing.
John, every study I have seen has indicated virtually all detergent's solubility increase with water temperature. Reactivating old detergents, as you say, with a warm or hot rinse is a good thing. Old detergents and the dirt they hold in suspension are released from the clothes. This is the foam you are seeing. That foam goes down the drain when the washer spins/drains. I would much rather have dirty detergent residue and foam down the drain than on my clothes. | ||
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Post# 528990 , Reply# 11 7/6/2011 at 10:27 (2,182 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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you have to check the warm rinse option, machine to machine, the new 2004 TL agitator whirlpool that came with my house had a warm rinse option, but filled for the rinse with cold....the spray rinse during the last spin was warm, but not effective as the lines were cooled off at that point, and by the time the hot water got to the machine, the sprays were done.....so at this point useless!
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Post# 528993 , Reply# 12 7/6/2011 at 11:08 (2,182 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble) |
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 My three-year-old Frigidaire Affinity has a warm rinse option. The problem is that it's a dumbed-down temperature and even the warm wash is mostly cold.
When I had my Duet and shut off the cold water supply to it, I got an error code. It knew there wasn't any water coming into it through that inlet and wouldn't operate.
I agree that you should stick with an old school washer that lets you decide the temperatures without interfering. | ||
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Post# 528999 , Reply# 13 7/6/2011 at 12:12 (2,182 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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BUYER BEWARE! If you're planning to buy a Frigidaire top-loader to get a warm rinse, don't do it.
The deep rinse is actually cold, but the spray rinse during the final spin is warm. I recall being delighted to see that my 2006 Frigidaire top-loader had a warm/warm option, only to discover it was a ruse. | ||
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Post# 529002 , Reply# 15 7/6/2011 at 12:42 (2,182 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble) |
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| Post# 529079 , Reply# 19 7/6/2011 at 16:20 (2,182 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 529093 , Reply# 20 7/6/2011 at 17:42 (2,182 days old) by ptcruiser51 (Boynton Beach, FL) |
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Since I'm at work right now...
I walked through the showroom and found three models that have a warm rinse option.
Maytag Maxima FL MHW6000XW LG WaveForce TL WT5101HW LG WaveForce TL WT5001CW We have a GE FL on the floor but I haven't been demo'd on it yet; I can't tell if it has that option. My factory reps tell me that one of the uses for warm rinse is when washing rubberized articles (bathroom or kitchen throw rugs, for instance), the warm water helps to prevent the shock to the material that can cause cracking/flaking. | ||
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Post# 529095 , Reply# 21 7/6/2011 at 18:06 (2,182 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) |
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@ptcruiser51 Re: rubber backed rugs---interesting to know. I have a number of these (kitchen, garage door entry, etc.) and they only seem to last 2-4 years before the backing begins to flake off, at which point they are unwashable. I think I'll try the warm-warm option when washing these (usually on delicate cycle) and see if it helps. Thanks for the tip. | ||
| Post# 529096 , Reply# 22 7/6/2011 at 18:17 (2,182 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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sad to see whats happening to washers to day
Its kind of sad to see whats happening to washers today i have a feeling if this keeps up that the consummers will turn toward older viontage washers that have all 5 wash rinse temp cold wash cold rinse warm wash warm rinse warm wash cold rinse hot wash cold rinse hot wash warm rinse me sometime when i wash my bed sheets i wish i could have the hot water wash option with the warm rinse option i remeber i use to have a whirlpool belt drive washer in my old home i use to live in i would wash in warm water but to get a warm rinse as it agitates i would change the temp knob to the hot water wash warm rinse option just to get a warm rinse.
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Post# 529103 , Reply# 23 7/6/2011 at 18:34 (2,182 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Warm water keeps the rubber backing flexible so it does not crack at folds during spin. | ||
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Post# 529121 , Reply# 26 7/6/2011 at 21:07 (2,182 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Woolens
Wool fiber can be affected (read shrink) by sudden changes in water temperature. Thus if one used lukewarm or warm water to wash,then that is where the rinse temps should be as well.
Contrary to popular belief it isn't hot or even warm water that will cause most woolens to shrink or felt, but rather heat *and* movement such as agitation. Before disenfectants wool blankets and other items would be boiled as part of laundering without sufferng any side affects. Again long as movement is kept to minimum if at all there shouldn't be a problem. | ||
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Post# 529150 , Reply# 27 7/6/2011 at 23:20 (2,182 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 529237 , Reply# 28 7/7/2011 at 08:44 (2,182 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md) |
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WARM RINSES While it may be possible that warmer water may remove more detergent residue and dirt, the effect of raising the rinse temperature say 50 degrees at best is only going to remove another 1 to 5% more detergent Etc. If I had any type of detergent allergy or other need to rinse clothing more completely two cold rinses will remove far more detergent Etc than one warm rinse could ever hope to, and at one tenth the cost of heating the 18-30 gallons of water that the typical vintage TL washer will use for rinsing. No modern FL washer gives all warm rinses even if it has a warm rinse setting, at best only one of two to four or more rinses will be slightly warmed. Being as none of us can prove this issue I will listen the experts who manufacture washers and companies such as Procter & Gamble who is one of the largest makers of detergents and who has no vested interest in how much hot water consumers use but only that thier products work well and continue to sell well. Quoting from thier 1996 book on detergent usage and cleaning effectiveness they state [ COLD WATER IS EXCELLENT FOR RINSING ALL LOADS, REGARDLESS OF THE WASHING TEMPERATURE ] capitalizing is theirs. | ||
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Post# 529262 , Reply# 30 7/7/2011 at 10:52 (2,181 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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On warm/warm, it's probably the last rinse that is warm so the items will feel warm when unloaded. | ||
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Post# 529712 , Reply# 32 7/9/2011 at 17:59 (2,179 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) |
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Gotta consider that geographically/seasonally, "cold" can be anything from 45F to 85F. Even here where weather is relatively mild, it's 60F to 80F. | ||
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