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Post# 528926   7/5/2011 at 22:23 (1,118 days old) by bwoods (Oak Ridge, Tennessee (formerly Dayton, Ohio))        

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Any of you aware of any new washers that still offer a warm rinse?? I was looking at GE's at Lowes the other day and could not find one model with a warm rinse option.

I don't know about you, but what makes manufactures think they have a right to eliminate this option for consumers? I want to be as environmentally friendly as the next guy, but things are getting a little ridiculous.

In my case, I have an allergic reaction to detergents and cold rinses will just not do the trick. Sometimes I even turn the cold water faucet off and let the machine rinse with straight hot water. The suds pour out, even after a cold rinse with the pumped out rinse water looking clear.

Many people who still use cloth diapers also like to make sure their childrens diapers do not have detergent/dirt residue in them.

Am I dreaming, or did an early 1970's Lady Kenmore washer offer a hot rinse option??





Post# 528929 , Reply# 1   7/5/2011 at 23:23 (1,118 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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so far the only washer in the top load category offering a warm rinse is the fridgedair top load washer but the warm rise is actualy dumb down and unless your willing to buy a vintage washer thats dates from 1950 to the end of the 1990 all newer washer offers only all cold rinses in the top load models unless the he top load model have a warm rinse option but so far the only models of washer i know of that offers a warm rinse are front load washers. Like this model to be precise. or you could always look for a speed queen and ask if they could have on a special order a washer with a warm rinse option.

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Post# 528931 , Reply# 2   7/5/2011 at 23:48 (1,118 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

My 1998 Frigidaire Gallery FL has a warm rinse option. And you're right, you get more suds on warm than cold so SOMEthing is happening.

Warm rinse might ding their energy rating, is probably why fewer offer it today.


Post# 528932 , Reply# 3   7/5/2011 at 23:51 (1,118 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Even the Speed Queen models that debut for this model year almost a year ago, only have cold rinses. I guess ou're gonna have to do some dial turning and pushing and do your warm rinse as a wash fill, I"m sure it wouldn't be the first time.

Post# 528934 , Reply# 4   7/5/2011 at 23:53 (1,118 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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My friends one piece/stacked Kenmore unit that was like 5 years old I think, had the warm/warm option but the rinse still came out cold! I even turned the cold water off at the faucet and nothing came out at all. So I'm guessing the spray rinse during the spin between the wash and rinse cycles was probably warm and not the actual rinse cycle. Could that be possible? I was disappointed. The unit said Kenmore all over it, but it was definitely Frigidaire hardware. It had the solid vane agitator that did the half stroke one way and tub index and quarter stroke the other way.

Post# 528939 , Reply# 5   7/6/2011 at 00:43 (1,118 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
Frig 2140 has warm rinse after warm wash.

My Frigidaire 2140 has hot-cold, warm-cold, warm-warm, and cold-cold options. Still sold at stores, not sure if still in production. My guess would be that the similar 2940 also offers the same temp combinations.

Post# 528955 , Reply# 6   7/6/2011 at 03:10 (1,118 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Are you sure all of the rinses are warm? In many machines with multiple rinses, it is only the last rinse that is warm.

Post# 528966 , Reply# 7   7/6/2011 at 07:31 (1,118 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
WARM RINSES

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I have never seen any scientific evidence that warm rinses work any better and in fact because they activate the residual detergent in the clothes they may not even rinse as well, that is why you see more foam when trying to rinse in warm water. Every detergent manufacturer recommends always rinsing in cold water for all loads and you may cause more mold, mildew and odor problems in your machine and clean laundry by using a warm rinse. No KM, WP, GE, MT, SQ, Etc. Etc ever had a hot rinse there were a very few machines where this was possible such as the mechanical Blackstones in the 1950s but they did not recommend it.

 

All that said there are many ways that you can get a warm rinse in any machine ever made if that is what you want. Several folks on this site have installed tempering valves in thier laundry room plumbing so they can control the cold water available to the machine. This way the washer has no choice but to rinse in warm water, the machine just thinks that in is in south Florida.


Post# 528974 , Reply# 8   7/6/2011 at 08:00 (1,118 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The only arguments for warm rinses are that:
1. Chemicals go into solution faster at warmer temperatures. That's why it is easier to dissolve sugar in hot tea than in cold tea.
2. Warmer temperatures relax fabrics and open the fibers so that detergent and remaining suspended dirt can be rinsed free.

If you are trying to move detergent from fabrics into rinse water, it will go faster and perhaps more completely in warm water. Since warm water relaxes fabrics, they will probably be pulled under faster by the agitation in warm water in a top loader.


Post# 528978 , Reply# 9   7/6/2011 at 08:10 (1,118 days old) by bwoods (Oak Ridge, Tennessee (formerly Dayton, Ohio))        

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Thanks for the tips everyone. It looks like I'll be sticking to my vintage GE's and Frigidaire's for proper rinsing.

John, every study I have seen has indicated virtually all detergent's solubility increase with water temperature. Reactivating old detergents, as you say, with a warm or hot rinse is a good thing. Old detergents and the dirt they hold in suspension are released from the clothes. This is the foam you are seeing. That foam goes down the drain when the washer spins/drains.

I would much rather have dirty detergent residue and foam down the drain than on my clothes.


Post# 528986 , Reply# 10   7/6/2011 at 09:36 (1,118 days old) by wringer (Shelby, Ohio )        
I have

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a new GE portable washer that hooks up to my sink like a portable dishwasher. Since I live in an apartment and have no washer/dryer hookups this was my only answer. It has a 2.7 CF capacity so it is nearly as big as a standard washer. I control the water temp of the wash and rinse with the faucet handle. However, I have found that warm rinses are not as effective for removing the soap even with Downy as a cold rinse. This is only my opinion. FYI it is made in Thailand LOL. But, it works great. Hope it holds up !

Post# 528990 , Reply# 11   7/6/2011 at 10:27 (1,118 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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you have to check the warm rinse option, machine to machine, the new 2004 TL agitator whirlpool that came with my house had a warm rinse option, but filled for the rinse with cold....the spray rinse during the last spin was warm, but not effective as the lines were cooled off at that point, and by the time the hot water got to the machine, the sprays were done.....so at this point useless!

Post# 528993 , Reply# 12   7/6/2011 at 11:08 (1,118 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area)        

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My three-year-old Frigidaire Affinity has a warm rinse option. The problem is that it's a dumbed-down temperature and even the warm wash is mostly cold.

 

When I had my Duet and shut off the cold water supply to it, I got an error code. It knew there wasn't any water coming into it through that inlet and wouldn't operate.

 

I agree that you should stick with an old school washer that lets you decide the temperatures without interfering.


Post# 528999 , Reply# 13   7/6/2011 at 12:12 (1,118 days old) by Frigilux (the open prairie of Minnesota)        

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BUYER BEWARE! If you're planning to buy a Frigidaire top-loader to get a warm rinse, don't do it.

The deep rinse is actually cold, but the spray rinse during the final spin is warm. I recall being delighted to see that my 2006 Frigidaire top-loader had a warm/warm option, only to discover it was a ruse.



Post# 529000 , Reply# 14   7/6/2011 at 12:14 (1,118 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Wringer:
Lack of sudsing does not necessarily mean clean rinsing. Suds appear in warm rinsing because detergent is being removed and the warm water makes the remaining detergent more active so it bubbles. Cold water kills suds, but that does not mean that it is rinsing detergent out of the fabrics better than warm water.


Post# 529002 , Reply# 15   7/6/2011 at 12:42 (1,118 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area)        

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Since my Affinity doesn't have a clue about what a spray rinse is, I presume the warm portion is the final fill before the last spin cycle.


Post# 529004 , Reply# 16   7/6/2011 at 13:00 (1,118 days old) by MaytagA710 (Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada )        
Evem the newish TL Whrilpools dont have it!

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I bought a Whrilpool WTW5700 4 years ago, it's a DD model. It has all cold rinses. I don't like that because I want to wash bed sheets, towels, and whites all with a warm water rinse. Warm water rinses seem to have gone the way of Hot Wash-Warm Rinse.



Post# 529049 , Reply# 17   7/6/2011 at 14:42 (1,118 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

Can always stand there, reset before final rinse, restart at 'wash' set to warm, advance to drain/spin. But then it's no longer automatic, is it?

BTW, despite my Frigi dispensing softener in the final rinse, I didn't like that. I wanted the softener rinsed out, it waterproofs towels at full concentration. So I put in in the bleach dispenser, where the water goes for all 3 early rinses, after the first 2. Eventually stopped using it altogether and don't miss it. Dryer sheets probably a better idea but I don't use those either.


Post# 529078 , Reply# 18   7/6/2011 at 16:05 (1,117 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
warm rinse

I've only used warm rinse for washable woolens, like sweaters, having been told by friends that the soap rinses out of woolens better if warm.

Depending on the cycle chosen and whether "extra rinse" is selected, the Frig 2140 will run two or three rinses. I've never checked the washer while in operation to see whether all 2-3 rinses are warm water, or if only the first rinse is warm, followed by cold.

Given the rare number of times I've used the warm-warm option, it wouldn't be a deal killer if the next washer I own offered only cold rinses.


Post# 529079 , Reply# 19   7/6/2011 at 16:20 (1,117 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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i know for a fact that the washer i bought for my mom summer's place is a maytag neptune and it has a warm rinse option i use the warm rinse option on this washer only 1 for a floor washing mat and i can say tha the warm rinse was don around the second rinse as the first rinse was a cold rinse.

Post# 529093 , Reply# 20   7/6/2011 at 17:42 (1,117 days old) by ptcruiser51 (Boynton Beach, FL)        
Since I'm at work right now...

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I walked through the showroom and found three models that have a warm rinse option.

Maytag Maxima FL MHW6000XW
LG WaveForce TL WT5101HW
LG WaveForce TL WT5001CW

We have a GE FL on the floor but I haven't been demo'd on it yet; I can't tell if it has that option.

My factory reps tell me that one of the uses for warm rinse is when washing rubberized articles (bathroom or kitchen throw rugs, for instance), the warm water helps to prevent the shock to the material that can cause cracking/flaking.


Post# 529095 , Reply# 21   7/6/2011 at 18:06 (1,117 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@ptcruiser51

Re: rubber backed rugs---interesting to know. I have a number of these (kitchen, garage door entry, etc.) and they only seem to last 2-4 years before the backing begins to flake off, at which point they are unwashable. I think I'll try the warm-warm option when washing these (usually on delicate cycle) and see if it helps. Thanks for the tip.

Post# 529096 , Reply# 22   7/6/2011 at 18:17 (1,117 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
sad to see whats happening to washers to day

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Its kind of sad to see whats happening to washers today i have a feeling if this keeps up that the consummers will turn toward older viontage washers that have all 5 wash rinse temp cold wash cold rinse warm wash warm rinse warm wash cold rinse hot wash cold rinse hot wash warm rinse me sometime when i wash my bed sheets i wish i could have the hot water wash option with the warm rinse option i remeber i use to have a whirlpool belt drive washer in my old home i use to live in i would wash in warm water but to get a warm rinse as it agitates i would change the temp knob to the hot water wash warm rinse option just to get a warm rinse.

Post# 529103 , Reply# 23   7/6/2011 at 18:34 (1,117 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Warm water keeps the rubber backing flexible so it does not crack at folds during spin.

Post# 529110 , Reply# 24   7/6/2011 at 19:21 (1,117 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires)        
Warm rinse

I recently bought at Sam Stores a matched pair of export Whirlpool washer and gas dryer for 220V/50Hz. The washer has two warm rinse options and three cold rinse options (hot/warm, hot/cold, warm/warm, warm/cold and cold/cold). I'm delighted with the set (washer model is WTW5905SW, gas dryer model is 3XWGD5705SW). Both washer and dryer are fantastic, at least compared to what's available in these latitudes.
Emilio


Post# 529112 , Reply# 25   7/6/2011 at 19:25 (1,117 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires)        
Same but for 60Hz

You could buy this same washer for 240V/60Hz at Piraeus International. Check their website at www.piraeusintl.com.... I guess you can find this same washer for a much lower price in another export appliance store.
Emilio


Post# 529121 , Reply# 26   7/6/2011 at 21:07 (1,117 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande)        
Woolens

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Wool fiber can be affected (read shrink) by sudden changes in water temperature. Thus if one used lukewarm or warm water to wash,then that is where the rinse temps should be as well.

Contrary to popular belief it isn't hot or even warm water that will cause most woolens to shrink or felt, but rather heat *and* movement such as agitation. Before disenfectants wool blankets and other items would be boiled as part of laundering without sufferng any side affects. Again long as movement is kept to minimum if at all there shouldn't be a problem.




Post# 529150 , Reply# 27   7/6/2011 at 23:20 (1,117 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I don't think the typical consumer gives a rats ass about their rinse water temperature. So it's a mute point for 90% of the market.

Post# 529237 , Reply# 28   7/7/2011 at 08:44 (1,117 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
WARM RINSES

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While it may be possible that warmer water may remove more detergent residue and dirt, the effect of raising the rinse temperature say 50 degrees at best is only going to remove another 1 to 5% more detergent Etc. If I had any type of detergent allergy or other need to rinse clothing more completely two cold rinses will remove far more detergent Etc than one warm rinse could ever hope to, and at one tenth the cost of heating the 18-30 gallons of water that the typical vintage TL washer will use for rinsing.   No modern FL washer gives all warm rinses even if it has a warm rinse setting, at best only one of two to four or more rinses will be slightly warmed.   Being as none of us can prove this issue I will listen the experts who manufacture washers and companies such as Procter & Gamble who is one of the largest makers of detergents and who has no vested interest in how much hot water consumers use but only that thier products work well and continue to sell well. Quoting from thier 1996 book on detergent usage and cleaning effectiveness they state [ COLD WATER IS EXCELLENT FOR RINSING ALL LOADS, REGARDLESS OF THE WASHING TEMPERATURE ] capitalizing is theirs.


Post# 529255 , Reply# 29   7/7/2011 at 10:33 (1,117 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

In general, I wash sweaters in my FL on delicate cycle using cold water and Woolite detergent (just 1-2 tbsp/15-30 ml). It's the only liquid I use in my washer, and only 1-2 times per year.

Based on what I've read here, I would use warm-warm to wash rubber-backed rugs to minimize cracking of rubber.

Next time I run a load, I will select warm-warm and check the water at each rinse to see if all rinses are warm, or only rinse #1.


Post# 529262 , Reply# 30   7/7/2011 at 10:52 (1,117 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

On warm/warm, it's probably the last rinse that is warm so the items will feel warm when unloaded.

Post# 529708 , Reply# 31   7/9/2011 at 17:35 (1,114 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
Report: warm-warm selection on Frigidaire 2140

I ran a load of cottons this afternoon on Warm-Warm setting in my Frigidaire 2140. This model does not have Auto Temp Control, so Hot = hot water line only, Warm = both hot and cold water lines used, Cold = cold water line only.  I used Normal cycle with Extra Rinse enabled, so that there were three rinses in all. By touching the intake taps/hoses, it's easy to tell which lines are filling the washer on the rinses.

 

Results:

 

Rinse #1: COLD

 

Rinse #2: COLD

 

Rinse #3: WARM

 

So on this machine, at least, the Warm rinse comes last and does not prevent cold water being used for the first rinse and, if selected, the extra rinse.

 

However, on this machine, the clothes are spun only gently, not at high speed, while the rinse water is being drained. So if we accept the "rubber backed mat/rug" theory as being correct (rubber less likely to crack or flake if warm when spun at higher speeds), this strategy would hold true in my washer, since the high speed spin at the end would occur with the clothes warmed by the last (warm) rinse. However, if it's important not to have temp changes for wool, as Laundress suggested (and she's almost always right), it doesn't say much for my washer's ability to avoid fiber damage when switching from warm wash to cold rinse. Of course, one has the option of using Cold-Cold for wool, but what everyone I know seems to say is that you use warm-warm for woolens because the soap rinses out better. Who knows?


Post# 529712 , Reply# 32   7/9/2011 at 17:59 (1,114 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

Gotta consider that geographically/seasonally, "cold" can be anything from 45F to 85F. Even here where weather is relatively mild, it's 60F to 80F.

Post# 529779 , Reply# 33   7/10/2011 at 11:50 (1,114 days old) by AZREOspecialist ()        

Any washer in the State of Arizona during the months of May-September will have warm rinses as standard regardless of what temperature you select! :)




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