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Post# 530963   7/16/2011 at 15:05 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

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Yesturday I went to sears and picked up a catalog on their new stuff for current July 2011. As with most of you I think a lot of stuff is a waste of money but this is what we are stuck with so lets see if we can find some positive outlooks with mostly negatives.




Post# 530964 , Reply# 1   7/16/2011 at 15:07 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Nice looking DW but probably takes a year and a day to run!

Post# 530965 , Reply# 2   7/16/2011 at 15:08 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Post# 530967 , Reply# 3   7/16/2011 at 15:11 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Personally I dont see the advantage to the turbozone - can anyone comment.
And pressurized spray I dont believe is that pressurized. Also each arm works one at a time like frigidaire to save water. I am not against that - but taking to long to run is not my cup of tea!



Post# 530968 , Reply# 4   7/16/2011 at 15:13 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Nice usable height and simple to clean filter
Any comments?


Post# 530969 , Reply# 5   7/16/2011 at 15:14 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Model list1

Post# 530970 , Reply# 6   7/16/2011 at 15:15 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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I perfer up front controls. I would also like a Window but I know thats to much to ask!


Post# 530971 , Reply# 7   7/16/2011 at 15:17 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Now for Bosch - some like some hate
I never had my own experience!


Post# 530972 , Reply# 8   7/16/2011 at 15:18 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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another Bosch

Post# 530973 , Reply# 9   7/16/2011 at 15:19 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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more models

Post# 530974 , Reply# 10   7/16/2011 at 15:20 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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features!



Post# 530975 , Reply# 11   7/16/2011 at 15:22 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Lets do washers / dryers
This are very expensive and have features that most people will never use.
Being water usage is so little they are rough on clothes!


Post# 530976 , Reply# 12   7/16/2011 at 15:23 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Capacity is so much BS!

Post# 530977 , Reply# 13   7/16/2011 at 15:24 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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The fact that these kenmores are really LG - turns me off!

Post# 530978 , Reply# 14   7/16/2011 at 15:25 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Cold clean and steam - just how useful are these cycles?


Post# 530979 , Reply# 15   7/16/2011 at 15:27 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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I havent saw the Samsung top loaders in action. But if they lack water they will be as bad as the rest!

Post# 530980 , Reply# 16   7/16/2011 at 15:29 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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I have seen the samsung front load in action and I do like them in tearms of handeling a load going right into a spin and not wasting time like LG!

Post# 530981 , Reply# 17   7/16/2011 at 15:32 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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These dryers are a waste of money - I can agree having Steam in a dryer is a good thing but most of these other features are not necessary. So costly for nothing!

Post# 530982 , Reply# 18   7/16/2011 at 15:34 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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nice dryer capacity but so overpriced!

Post# 530983 , Reply# 19   7/16/2011 at 15:35 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Nice GE cooking - they have always had good cooking!

Post# 530984 , Reply# 20   7/16/2011 at 15:36 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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more features
any comments?


Post# 530985 , Reply# 21   7/16/2011 at 15:37 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Most usable capacity (where)
LG can stick it!


Post# 530986 , Reply# 22   7/16/2011 at 15:41 (4,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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cant see through these windows
And so costly to top it off!
Finished - please give openions and comments!
Thanks,
Peter


Post# 530988 , Reply# 23   7/16/2011 at 15:51 (4,661 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Thanks, Pete.  Their new line is very shiny and impressive looking.  I was in Sears just this morning and I was surprised to see how plain and boring the white-goods department has become at this store, and the other West O store a few weeks ago.  Looks like they just lined up the appliances back to back in aisles and walked away.  Very few signs or displays to speak of, what there was just said "laundry" or Kenmore and most of the short-wall dividers between the aisles are gone.  Perhaps they are readying for a re-do of those fixtures but given the state of the financial reports from Sears and Kmart, maybe they're paring down for the going out of business sale. 


Other than a few top-load WP made machines, I should have counted them, it was pretty disheartening to see the massive Asian influence in the high-end Kenmore laundry, they really have kicked and beaten poor Lady Kenmore and buried her in a shallow grave!


Post# 530990 , Reply# 24   7/16/2011 at 15:52 (4,661 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

What amazes me is that a dishwasher at 52db is marked "quiet"!
To my knowledge the noisiest machine you can buy here today is rated at 51db and it would be super noisy!

"Quiet" here would start at 45db, no more and most higher end machines go down to 39db like some SMEG or Miele. Why is that that American machines are far noisier?


Post# 530998 , Reply# 25   7/16/2011 at 16:21 (4,661 days old) by sudsman ()        
they really have kicked and beaten poor Lady Kenmore and bur

And I for one think it will come back to haunt them! guess Lady Kenmore will have to learn a new language now. very very dishearting to me.

Post# 531020 , Reply# 26   7/16/2011 at 19:27 (4,660 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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well me i have a kenmore elite dishwasher that dates since the kitchen was redone in 2005 so its very quiet for a dishwasher and was for washers the best and most quiets of washer i have know so far was my 1993 inglis superb 2 washer as sometime when i was sleeping my to load washer would work and i would not notice its working.

Post# 531216 , Reply# 27   7/17/2011 at 17:30 (4,659 days old) by spiralator60 (Los Angeles)        
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Peter,

 

Do any of the Kenmore front panel dishwashers display the cycle time? This is not mentioned in the specifications, and I can't tell from the photographs. Thanks.


Post# 531227 , Reply# 28   7/17/2011 at 19:49 (4,659 days old) by appnut (TX)        
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Model #13252, available in Septemberr, MAY have some sort of digital display feedback for cycle length.  The comparable Kitchenaid has a series of bars that equal to bout 16 or 24 minutes. Sears did away with cycle countdown in like the 2nd or 3rd generation of tall tubs.  Customers supposedly said it was a nuisance or a feature they dind't care about.


Post# 531233 , Reply# 29   7/17/2011 at 20:26 (4,659 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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It was disappointing to me they did away with the digital display. It was at the end of the 2nd series of TT machines that they removed them like Bob said. But I don't believe it was a consumer preference. I did buy the TT kenmore 10 years ago when I redone my kitchen. It only lasted a year and a half. It had the digital display and the electronic board burnt out twice. I fought with sears to get them to change it for a TT GE that I am happy with. However I am sorry I got rid of my power clean whirlpool. Nothing can outwash that one. All these appliance companies have made so many steps backwards in the last several years. It is really ashame!
Peter


Post# 531235 , Reply# 30   7/17/2011 at 20:30 (4,659 days old) by spiralator60 (Los Angeles)        

Thanks appnut and Peter!

 

When you have no idea how long the dishwasher has been running, or will be running (as when someone else has started the machine), such a feature is anything but a nuisance. Thanks again for the information.


Post# 531238 , Reply# 31   7/17/2011 at 20:49 (4,659 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Yes I agree - it is more like common sense and they use next to none of it when making these appliances. At one time they were looking at the consumer now they don't. The fact that these dishwashers and washers run as long as they do makes them obsolete in my openion. Plus so many of them don't get the dishes clean and these new TL energy efficent washers are rough on the clothes. So I ask everyone how far have we progressed? When I was in sears the other day I was speaking to the sales person and laughed at the 2 plus grand kenlg tol washer and said how many people have bought this? She said next to none. She also said she isn't supposed to say anything bad. Amazing how they just dont get the fact that consumers miss and want simplicity. And of course reasonable prices. Now a days we don't find any of that and they are all trying to pass off garbage.
The only thing I could think of that was worse is when white consolidated destroyed frigidaire and tried to pass off their products as quality products!
Peter


Post# 531318 , Reply# 32   7/18/2011 at 06:13 (4,659 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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Well, when people complain about longer cycle times, the obvious solution is to eliminate the display. 

 

Malcolm


Post# 531321 , Reply# 33   7/18/2011 at 07:07 (4,659 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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You got that right Malcolm, I can't think of any other information that I would like my DW to tell me except WHEN WILL IT FINELY END.  LOL. They sure aren't going to tell you what it is actually doing any more [ 1st wash , 2nd rinse, heating water, etc ] I think they think the customer is too stupid to understand what goes on inside a DW. I think this is why when our customers call us with a problem they can't begin to tell us what is wrong, because they no longer have any idea what goes on inside the machine in the first place.


Post# 531343 , Reply# 34   7/18/2011 at 09:50 (4,659 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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my dishwasher do not have a time display as i would not look at the time that is left and the cycle time that is display is also an estimate of how long the cycle is as well.

Post# 531388 , Reply# 35   7/18/2011 at 13:50 (4,659 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
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Ew.

 

I sense mixed messages from this.  Either A) you should rinse the filter after every load, and 4-6 months is the super-heavy-scrubbing filter cleaning interval, or B) they really do assume that the amount of crud buildup in the filter that begins to affect wash performance is marginal and only requires addressing at that point.

 

In which case, double ew.

 

If there's a filter there, and there isn't some sort of cleaning mechanism, then it's not entirely truthful that the dishwater stays "clean."  It may be free of large particles, but if it's pulling all the otherwise pristine-looking water through last month's Pad Thai that is completely immobilized in the filter, then blecch.


Post# 531420 , Reply# 36   7/18/2011 at 16:01 (4,659 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me i rinse the filter once a week and every 3 months run my dishwasher with some finish diswasher cleaner on a full cycle and my dishwasher turns out spic and span every time and it continue cleaning with optimal cleaning power

Post# 531467 , Reply# 37   7/18/2011 at 18:35 (4,658 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I hate the Kenmores because,for some strange reason, they have an issue with clear glass windows.Why would they take the time and energy as well as cost to make the SEE THROUGH glass windows so dark there is no way to clearly see anything???? Just proves there are those customers out there who just buy the appliances for looks,not performance.

Post# 531478 , Reply# 38   7/18/2011 at 19:48 (4,658 days old) by limey ()        
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To combo52
For once I have to agree with everything you said.
Now that is a first!


Post# 531481 , Reply# 39   7/18/2011 at 20:02 (4,658 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me over the years and since 1993 i learn that with my actual dishwasher i must keep the high temp option active and sometime activate when i need it the steam sanitize rinse option of my dishwasher to get optimal cleaning power, and the cycle i use is Smart wash option i use turbo zone high temp wash option and on rare occasion steam sanitize but i use the no heat dry option for drying.

Post# 531489 , Reply# 40   7/18/2011 at 20:35 (4,658 days old) by gr81nknox ()        
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You'll love this, the MOL Bosch which my parents bought last year has a cycle time display. The only problem, their's is the model with concealed controls. So when it's latched and running, you can't see the display! I too wondered when Sears did away with this on theirs. I noticed some of the new style Elites have what looks like a display only it is a row of colored bars. Fewer bars showing, the closer the cycle is to being over. Brilliant!

Post# 531515 , Reply# 41   7/18/2011 at 22:44 (4,658 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Yes, I"ve noticed numerous  models with hidden control panels featuer a digital count down.  What good is it!!!


Post# 531557 , Reply# 42   7/19/2011 at 06:53 (4,658 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Silly!

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You're supposed to open the machine to see how much time is left.  Of course, if your machine is silent, you risk being scalded by a blast of water and steam.  That'll teach you for being curious!

 

Malcolm



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