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Leaving the sixties: Life after the Evil Kenmore™
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Post# 88269   10/11/2005 at 12:47 (6,770 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        

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The 1961 Kenmore went on to greater things after its clutch plate, bearings, and almost nonexistent centerpost shaft conspired to bring about its demise.

Not to mention the fact that the transmission decided to pee out its oil all over again.

I did save all the wonderful parts that you sent, Greg and Steve R., so I can ship those back to you if you would like, or in any case, I'll hold onto them for you. I also have the pump that I salvaged. Thank you for all your help and kindness with sending those.

So, from an ungrateful machine that wanted to be a refrigerator or a Hyundai anyway, we move on to The Next Generation.

What could the new machine be, I wonder?

It wears a veil of harvest gold (as all things that I come across seem to, for some reason).

It spins... (that's an improvement!)...in fact, it seems to extract more water than my 1-18.

It drains and agitates too. What a well-rounded performer!

Maybe Ross and Roger can tell us more...





Post# 88276 , Reply# 1   10/11/2005 at 13:17 (6,770 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Ross, sorry to hear about your Kenmore. Hmmmm, if is from the 1970's and spins better than a Frigidaire 1/18 then the only thing I could think of that spins better than a 1/18 would be a coin-op Speed Queen with the 700+ rpms spin pulley.

Post# 88277 , Reply# 2   10/11/2005 at 13:19 (6,770 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Opps sorry Nate, I used the wrong name. I meant you. Anyway I can't wait to hear what it is.

Post# 88285 , Reply# 3   10/11/2005 at 14:46 (6,770 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Tee hee

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Robert, you're gonna kill me. Austin will too :-D

It's close to the seventies, but not spot-on.


Post# 88286 , Reply# 4   10/11/2005 at 14:49 (6,770 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
It is belt-driven...

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...and has a recirculating lint filter.

Most people consider it cheap, but its wash action is splashy and very entertaining.

It uses belts with a special coating to do the clutch-work.

It is painted and not porcelainized on the outside, so it shall become turquoise...

...to match its agitator :-D



Post# 88294 , Reply# 5   10/11/2005 at 15:16 (6,770 days old) by davy1063 (Pennsylvania)        

would it by any chance be a TL Westinghouse?

Post# 88316 , Reply# 6   10/11/2005 at 17:07 (6,770 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Close!

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You're very close, Dave.

Post# 88323 , Reply# 7   10/11/2005 at 17:56 (6,770 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
... just guessing???

Would it be a Maytag???Mark

Post# 88340 , Reply# 8   10/11/2005 at 19:55 (6,769 days old) by spiralactivator ()        

A non-burpalator Norge, perhaps?

Post# 88341 , Reply# 9   10/11/2005 at 19:56 (6,769 days old) by spiralactivator ()        
Or maybe...

A FilterFlo?

Post# 88347 , Reply# 10   10/11/2005 at 20:16 (6,769 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Maytag?

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My guess is a Maytag.

MRB


Post# 88361 , Reply# 11   10/11/2005 at 21:18 (6,769 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Sorry to hear that Nate about your '61 Kenmore, but I agree with you; anything that refuses to come back to life and wash deserves to be donated to Toyota anyway! ;-)

Hmmmm...if it's harvest gold, considered "cheap", belt-driven with a recirculating filter, isn't porcelainized on the outside, and if I'm going to be jealous, is it a Westinghouse TL? I have one more question...was this a "local" find or did it have to make a long journey to get to Phoenix, quiza? ;-)

--Austin


Post# 88369 , Reply# 12   10/11/2005 at 21:40 (6,769 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Nate just hang on to that filter. Who knows, maybe it will bring good "karma" and a '60's Kenmore in much better condition will appear on your doorstep looking for a home!

"Drains and agitates"-------at the same time? As in overflow rinse? Whatever did you find?


Post# 88371 , Reply# 13   10/11/2005 at 21:53 (6,769 days old) by davy1063 (Pennsylvania)        

couldn't be a Maytag, it has a recirculating filter

Post# 88373 , Reply# 14   10/11/2005 at 22:04 (6,769 days old) by davy1063 (Pennsylvania)        

Okay, I'll have to agree with either the GE FilterFlo or Hotpoint (early)

Post# 88374 , Reply# 15   10/11/2005 at 22:10 (6,769 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Easy TwinTub?

Post# 88385 , Reply# 16   10/12/2005 at 00:29 (6,769 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Hee hee hee

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LOL

Thanks, Steve. I'll give the lint filter a good rub and see if the good karma works :-) (The lint filter was very cooperative, unlike the rest of the machine...)

Austin--gosh, you guys are so close!

It's not a Maytag, although that would be a good guess. But yes, it has a recirculating lint filter, so that wouldn't quite fit.

I'll give you another hint or two, but it will probably blow it...I'm hoping Ross will toss another nibble our way ;-)

Two more hints, then:

1.) The machine exhibits honesty without fear!
2.) If I take the cabinet off, everything except the running gear (transmission, motor, etc) looks the same as another machine I have. And that would make sense, if you put two and two together...

;-)

DeviousNate


Post# 88396 , Reply# 17   10/12/2005 at 06:15 (6,769 days old) by agiflow ()        

How about White-Westinghouse?

Post# 88400 , Reply# 18   10/12/2005 at 07:17 (6,769 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Nate, is it a Norge?

Steve


Post# 88402 , Reply# 19   10/12/2005 at 07:19 (6,769 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Ahhh! Is it a WCI-made "fake 1-18" from 1981 or so? Interesting because I've never seen a Harvest Gold version...

Post# 88403 , Reply# 20   10/12/2005 at 07:24 (6,769 days old) by westyslantfront ()        
Hint On Nate's Machine

As Roger was at vacuum cleaner convention in Spokane, we could not do official wash in without him but I did get a sneak preview of Nate's "new" machine. The hint is that it is an
"angel" of a machine. Talking about the agitator....it has Angel Wings.
Nate and I did two loads and it is a great machine.

Another hint is the waterfall lint filter.


Post# 88412 , Reply# 21   10/12/2005 at 07:39 (6,769 days old) by agiflow ()        

is it....is it...a Wizard by any chance?

Post# 88415 , Reply# 22   10/12/2005 at 07:42 (6,769 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Sorry that the Evil-shredmore is dying.

What ever could the new one be? Enquiring minds want to know...


Post# 88417 , Reply# 23   10/12/2005 at 07:51 (6,769 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

"Angel Wings", a WCI-Kelvinator?

Post# 88428 , Reply# 24   10/12/2005 at 08:29 (6,769 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Wizard!

Post# 88455 , Reply# 25   10/12/2005 at 12:04 (6,769 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Kelvy!

Post# 88474 , Reply# 26   10/12/2005 at 14:51 (6,769 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        
gibson girl?

perhaps a Gibson?

Post# 88508 , Reply# 27   10/12/2005 at 16:43 (6,769 days old) by timonator ()        
Ummmm

Why not just tell us?

Post# 88526 , Reply# 28   10/12/2005 at 17:59 (6,769 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
Alright roto! ;

You are now on "punishment"!! You now have to wear the sweater
with the big "P" embroidered in the middle of your chest!!!!


Post# 88531 , Reply# 29   10/12/2005 at 18:29 (6,769 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Franklin machine

It's a machine with the Franklin mechanism. Probably a Wizard/Citation/Bradford/Gibson/whatever.

Post# 88560 , Reply# 30   10/12/2005 at 20:24 (6,768 days old) by retromom ()        
Now Nate.....

Nate:

It looks as if everyone has guessed every machine under the sun? Oh please...do tell....WHAT THE HECK IS IT (and do you have any pics)?

Venus :-0


Post# 88576 , Reply# 31   10/12/2005 at 20:57 (6,768 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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OK changed my mind, a sears wringer!!!!! LOL

Steve


Post# 88578 , Reply# 32   10/12/2005 at 20:58 (6,768 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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What about ASKO before we knew who they were?

Steve


Post# 88579 , Reply# 33   10/12/2005 at 20:59 (6,768 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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ENOUGH ALREADY, I'm being stupid, but allow me to. It is fun.

Love

Steve


Post# 88580 , Reply# 34   10/12/2005 at 21:00 (6,768 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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I know it is a F/L, it is the early Whirlpool or the Kenmore combination!

Steve


Post# 88581 , Reply# 35   10/12/2005 at 21:01 (6,768 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Ping: Launderess

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Hoover Twin Tub? Launderess add some light please

Post# 88585 , Reply# 36   10/12/2005 at 21:15 (6,768 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Well, I'm still sticking with Wizard, but I'm going to open myself up to also guess Wards Signature.

veg


Post# 88587 , Reply# 37   10/12/2005 at 21:22 (6,768 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Now, I can't be jealous if you don't tell us what it is...well, unless Greg sent the '68 Westy to you! ;-)

If it's a turquoise angel-wing agitator then it could be an early Gibson or WCI Kelvinator I suppose...please do tell!!


Post# 88595 , Reply# 38   10/12/2005 at 21:46 (6,768 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Goodness!

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Aw, come on, guys! Can't a salaried guy have a long day at work?? :-D

I didn't mean to keep you on the edge of your seats...

...much ;-)

Jaxsun and Clean-team tie for the prize: a WCI Kelvinator. I'm uncertain as to the age, but it has to be 1981 or newer, since WCI wouldn't have grabbed the GM-Frigidaire cabinet design any sooner.

However, the awful harvest gold color indicates that it can't be too new.

For such a "cheap" machine, the wash action is fun and splashy, and just to keep things in tune with the Evil Kenmore™, the timer is still push-to-start.

Of course, the stupid thermal lock and lid switch had to go... ;-)

It's incredibly easy to work on, and believe it or not, a profusion of plastic, stainless steel, and aluminum exists where all the underwater things should be. Stainless steel tub bolts (with metal basket but plastic outer tub), aluminum top o' the transmission, and plastic sleeve on the agitator shaft.

I consider it to have a lot of fine points, because it will not, at least, disintegrate like the Kenmore did.

So, I like it. But I guess that means I'll have to move toward the Super thread for this one, eh? :-D

Again, I apologize for the antici...

..pation.

;-)


Post# 88596 , Reply# 39   10/12/2005 at 21:47 (6,768 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
And Austin...

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...ties as well for the correct guess :-)

*hugs to Venus and begging for forgiveness* ;-)

Nate


Post# 88598 , Reply# 40   10/12/2005 at 21:56 (6,768 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Not to mention the temporal distortion

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...and why it is that any machine that finds me and likes me is from 1975 or later.


  • The GE is.
  • The 1-18 is.
  • The Maytag was.


Yep, drag any machine older than that into the shed, and it crumbles right before your eyes.

I have proof.

Sort of feels like The Langoliers a little... :-P


Post# 88623 , Reply# 41   10/12/2005 at 23:25 (6,768 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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All that and no picture??

Now we'll have to beg some more!

I had a similar machine in the late 80's that was left in my first house. It was a Kelvinator, plastic tub and white winged agitator. Loudest fill noise of any machine I've owned. They are fun to play with, lots of splashing and twirling going on.



Post# 88625 , Reply# 42   10/12/2005 at 23:29 (6,768 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
I'll get pics...

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...and some movies of the splashy wash and magical indexing tub. Its wash action is very reminiscent of the Spiralator-agitator-type Easy Spindriers of yesteryear.

(Round, round, round, down...round, round, round, down...)

I'll post both next week, though, as I'll have my first chance to do so then.

I'm also going to put together a page on the '61 in Kenmore (burn in h-- I mean, rest in peace) so you can see what I was up against :-) I have some good play-by-plays on the restoration that became more of a euthanasia experiment.

:-)

Nate



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