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Youngstown Front Loading Dishwasher
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Post# 543663   9/15/2011 at 05:38 (2,473 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        

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Well I just bought this little number off of Craigslist and will be picking it up on Saturday. This will be my biggest challenge I suspect. I say that because I believe this is a gravity drain model however he made it sound like it also had a pump on it that was not connected so I'll just have to wait to see what's all there. This gravity drain will be a challenge for me because my house is built on a slab and I couldn't put a floor drain in without major expense. I recall a post where Robert added a pump to one of his machines so I'm hoping to have that option. If the machine works I'd like to install it in my utility room just for fun and a machine with a quick cycle. My other machines are vintage 70s+ models and all have the longer cycles.

He said there are two hoses in the back that he thinks need to be replaced but aren't hooked up. I don't know what those would be unless they somehow drive the water up through the spray arm.

He said he knows it hasn't been used in at least 10 years but that it was running when he bought the house. He says he never messed with it but I know I wouldn't be able to avoid that temptation.

He told me before he disconnected it he turned the handle to start it and he said it clicked and he heard the timer start up. He told me he had already disconnected the water line so he just stopped it at that point.

I really don't know exactly where to start checking this thing out for functionality so any advice would be appreciated. Do I put warm water in the botton, do I try to run it dry, do I? Just really not sure.

I'll post pictures of the guts of the machine after I get it.

Post# 543668 , Reply# 1   9/15/2011 at 06:58 (2,473 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
What a DREAM!!

A Youngstown Kitchen!!

Post# 543673 , Reply# 2   9/15/2011 at 07:40 (2,473 days old) by henry200 ()        

Congrats on that great find!  I've seen plenty of kitchens outfitted with Youngstown cabinets but only once have I ever seen the dishwasher.  The wash system and racks so closely resemble a Frigidaire of the time there must have been a connection.  I love the rotating handle....turn once to lock the door, turn again to start the cycle.   I hope you can find what you need to get it running again. 

Post# 543680 , Reply# 3   9/15/2011 at 08:46 (2,473 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Ohh can't wait to see more pictures, is this is 30" wide machine or the 24" wide machine?  It looks like it could be a 30".


You can always figure out how to add a pump depending on how the timer calls for drain in some cases might also need a reversing electrical relay, but they are cheap and easy to work with.


I added a pump years ago to my top loading Youngstown.

Post# 543682 , Reply# 4   9/15/2011 at 08:58 (2,473 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Wow - what a find!  I am sure that you'll get it humming again!!  Congratulations!!

Post# 543683 , Reply# 5   9/15/2011 at 09:03 (2,473 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
I am pretty excited!

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It is the 30" wide model so it will be fun to work on I hope.

Post# 543689 , Reply# 6   9/15/2011 at 09:40 (2,473 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

I have a friend with Youngstown cabinets in his house, original installation. He mentioned that he was thinking about tearing them out, I told him if he did, I could find him several buyers for them. :-)

Post# 543703 , Reply# 7   9/15/2011 at 11:02 (2,473 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        
Just like mine-

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I have the very same model 30" Youngstown DW. I found it a few years ago. The only problem it had was a stuck drain valve that had to be taken apart and cleaned. Mine has the drain pump on it, but it was an option. I think it would be easy to add a drain pump to it, on my unit the pump runs when the main pump motor runs and the drain valve controlls the water flow.

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Post# 543704 , Reply# 8   9/15/2011 at 11:08 (2,473 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        
Another photo-

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The inside shot, I love the orange racks. The dry cycle is fun, a solinoid unlatches the door and it pops open about 3" and a cloud of steam comes out.

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Post# 543738 , Reply# 9   9/15/2011 at 14:24 (2,472 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
Thanks for the pics

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The inside of yours looks to have seen much less use than mine but we'll see how it cleans up. I am eager to get my hands on it.

Post# 543743 , Reply# 10   9/15/2011 at 14:52 (2,472 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Dishwasher and sign!

The dishwasher is beautiful, and so is the Valiant sign on the wall behind it!

Post# 543775 , Reply# 11   9/15/2011 at 19:04 (2,472 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Hawt ziggidity. Yay!!!. I remember my parents looked at a house in 1959 or 1960 that had a pink one of these.

Post# 543787 , Reply# 12   9/15/2011 at 20:01 (2,472 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)        

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Congratulations on such a great find! Looking forward to hearing more.


Post# 545612 , Reply# 13   9/24/2011 at 15:35 (2,463 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        

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Well the Youngstown Dishwasher has made it to my house and I have to say the inside is in pretty good shape but the mechanicals need work. The timer is good with some great sounds and the heating element gets very hot. Everything else needs work. He did send me along with the Service Manual and Install guide so I have all the information I need on wiring, etc. I would be glad to scan these and send them along to whoever is interested. The link below is to my Photo Album.

The tub seems to have no visible rust holes although I canít do a water test until I solve the hose issue which I am about to describe. The way the tub connects to the hoses is kind of odd to me but someone here has likely seen this before.

The hoses for the most part are crumbling as I touch them which I guess doesnít surprise me. They seem to me to be proprietary hoses sizes and shapes but I am hoping someone here can advise how best to replace them. In picture 6 you can kind of see how they connect. The hose goes through the hole and then on the inside there is an insert you screw in to expand and seal. Iíll see if I can get a better shot. Have you seen this set up before? Iím sure someone has.

The previous owner couldnít figure out how to remove the Drain valve from the floor drain so he cut through the hoses to get it out (ironically the only two good hoses of the bunch from what I can tell). Luckily he gave me the drain valve before I left. You can see in pics 6 and 7. The drain valve was connected to a trap in the floor and he couldnít disconnect it so he cut it out and then removed the valve after the machine was out. He almost forgot to give me the valve. The wiring diagram does describe the wire to use to convert the valve to a pump so that is also an option if I can solve the hoses issue.

The water inlet valve just hums when I energize it so I donít know if thatís good or bad. I am having trouble getting it apart to see how clogged it is. This could probably be replaced with a newer model if it didnít work. Picture #2 shows where the water inlet valve is mounted and the two wires that connect to it and picture 12 shows the valve itself.

The pump was seized but I have managed to get it turning. I poured some vinegar in and let it sit a little bit and was able to get it turning. When I energize the motor now it spins and hums and sounds strong. In Picture #3 you can see what fell out of the pump when I removed it. I suppose some of you have seen this before. If it wasnít for the damaged metal I could probably reinstall this pump and be good to go.

I actually have two issues with the pump and not sure if either/both are show stoppers. First, the main problem I have with the pump is the fact that the metal parts of the pump body that connect to the crumbling hoses also were cracked and broke off as I removed the hoses. Pictures 8, 9 and 10. You could tell there was some leaking here given the water stains. Is this something a welder or someone might be able to repair? This metal feels so brittle to me. The other issue I have is a few of the screws holding the pump together will simple not budge. I have tried everything I can think of to get them off. Any suggestions? Iíd really like to get the pump opened up and cleaned out but unless I can get the screws off I donít think I can. Do any of you think it would be possible to retrofit some other kind of pump? I think the key is getting the hoses to line up. Picture 11 shows the two hose the pump connects to. The upper hose is the inlet to the pump as the water flows from the tub to the pump and the lower hose is the outlet from the pump and this drives the spray arm.

I sure will appreciate any advice you have short of through your hands in the air like a big ole gurl and run the other direction as I assure you I could do very well.


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