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Post# 544285   9/18/2011 at 11:22 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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We seem to be on the subject of vintage GE dishwashers lately, so now is a good time to set-up this post.
A little background...in 1993 I built my second new house. My first was new but was a builder's spec house which had Whirlpool appliances in it. The dishwasher was a Whirlpool DU6000, which I liked but it wasn't the GE Potscrubber 2200 that I had in my condo in the 80s. Since my mother had three GE dishwashers, all if which we liked, and I had the 2200, I wanted something different than the builder's GE Potscrubber 600 which they were offering as standard fare. They gave me a $300-something credit on the house contract, and I was to supply my own machine. When the house was being sheet-rocked, I found a stack of new-old stock GE dishwashers at the greeting area in a local Lowe's store. They had been there a while based on the dirt/dust on the top of the boxes and the different style and color print on the box sides. Three were late 80s Potscrubber 900s exactly like my Mom's 1987 model, and the other two were Potscrubber 1200s. One box had been cut open for display, so I grabbed the other. It was 50% off, and I got the machine for nearly the same amount as the builder credit. This was a GSD1200L05 model, my favorite dishwasher of all time for me. I used the machine for 10 years exactly, before my third house was completed, and I sold the second. I left the 1200 in the house, along with my 1990 GE range that I had brought from the first house (I sold the WP range within two weeks of moving in, in favor of a GE JBP26). Stupidly wanting to start over in a new modern kitchen, I didn't bring the 1990s era appliances with me again. The same builder built house #3 as #2, but by this time they had gone upscale with GE Profile models in the kitchens instead of barely MOL stuff. Included was a GE PDW7300 tall tub dishwasher. I loathed it from day one, in part because it was faulty from the factory and it leaked and flooded the space between the subfloor and the hardwoods, causing the hardwoods to warp and get ruined - $1800 bucks for GE to fix. The machine itself I hated too, mostly because it felt so cheap and flimsy, and could NOT be used in the same manner as I had the 1200, the DU6000, and the 2200. I could not let a week's worth of dishes pile up in the machine, and expect proper results. My comment to GE at the time "This is the most unsatisfactory appliance I've ever owned, and I should put it out to the curb with the trash". Keep in mind this was an $800 dishwasher. Lady from GE says "Well you do that sir, anything else I can do for you?". Gordon says "Yeah, you can kiss my lilly white..." never mind. So, I have not liked this GE Tall Tub dishwasher just a tad now for 8 years. I did learn eventually to use the water temp boost feature, which helped, but many many times I wanted to kick it for delivering dirty items that used to come clean in real dishwashers. Fast forward to 2011 when John LeFever mentions to me that he has a stache of GE 1200s, two of which he wants to rebuild. Naturally the idea of going back to the same model I had was very appealing, so the plan was born. I forgot to take a before shot, but here's what had been, now relegated to the garage. This post was last edited 09/18/2011 at 11:44 |
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Post# 544286 , Reply# 1   9/18/2011 at 11:24 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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The new-old dishwasher arrived here several weeks ago, thanks to a well planned trip by Mike/Dishwashercrazy and Martin/Yogitunes. A friend and I installed it yesterday. Getting the TT out was a royal pain, but the 1200 went right in. I test ran the machine using the rinse-hold cycle before we put in the toe kick screws, etc. then ran an empty postscrubber cycle with a dose of dishwasher Affresh to clean and sanitize the machine. Boy, that stuff is STRONG smelling! I was cooking Hans's spaghetti sauce at the same time, and the house had this battle of scents going on - dishwasher cleaner and Sketti sauce....yuk.
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Post# 544287 , Reply# 2   9/18/2011 at 11:26 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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The machine ran well, and I had a load of dishes in the sink for it that had been building up since I last ran the Profile earlier in the week. Add the sauce cooking and it made for a near BobLoad for the 1200 to settle in with in her new surroundings.
Here she is this morning after her first night at home. |
Post# 544289 , Reply# 3   9/18/2011 at 11:30 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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After having a friend over for a sketti dinner, we loaded up the 1200 yet again, but no need to run it just yet.
I'm going to have to get used to the new/old racks again. I had never liked that solid bar on the left side of the upper rack in my first 1200, as it is too narrow for some of my glasses, but I'm willing to live with that little issue, as I did last time. |
Post# 544290 , Reply# 4   9/18/2011 at 11:32 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 544293 , Reply# 5   9/18/2011 at 11:38 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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My first 1200 was a GSD1200L05, this is a GSD1200G02. I am nearly certain that the indicator on the timer dial of my first was white. This one is red (big deal), but the more interesting is that the first had ivory colored racks, where these are the more noticeable, 1980s style GE blue.
In a moment of coolness, I was looking through my appliance paperwork to get out the owner's manual for the tall tub, so I can include it when I sell the machine. I found the original pack of info. on the 1200!!! How cool is that I said...now I have a real use for it again. There must have been some changes between the G and L series though, as my new machine does three rinses after main wash, at least in Potscrubber and Normal, but the cycle sequence chart for the L model had only two. Most interesting. |
Post# 544294 , Reply# 6   9/18/2011 at 11:39 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 544296 , Reply# 7   9/18/2011 at 11:40 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 544298 , Reply# 8   9/18/2011 at 11:49 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 544304 , Reply# 9   9/18/2011 at 12:10 (4,601 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Where that solid bar you dislike is on the LH side, there should be an auxiliary cup-rack. In your model they cheaped-out and gave you that annoying divider that serves no purpose. I've seen the upper racks with the cup-rack show up on ebay from time to time. Some of these racks, like yours, have those wheels on the upper part of the back of the rack. I never quite understood what their purpose was unless it was an attempt at stabilizing the rack as it was moved in and out.
This is one of the all time best Upper Racks (with the cup rack) to be used in a front-loading dishwasher. The bottom rack and the silverware basket are primitive. |
Post# 544305 , Reply# 10   9/18/2011 at 12:26 (4,601 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Hey Gordon !
I have not talk to you in a while ... And Happy belated birthday for I have not been posting since I got back from my trip. All things went haywire since I got back No boyfrind ! And my best freind Has CANCER which I am takeing care of him, which is non-stop very stressful. YAA FOR THE RAPID ADVANCE G.E. !!! I always love the tower wash GE dishwashers even thou some complain about the corners up in the top rack don't get clean. I say 100 percent of rackability is cleanability. It seems that you have a screen in the back of that model... Seems that it's performing well so far right... Well it looks really good...but since its a rapid advance system dont lock that detergent cup or you will have to force it open lol. Enjoy your machine ! I love the sound of GE tower dishwashers ! Darren k This post was last edited 09/18/2011 at 14:15 |
Post# 544306 , Reply# 11   9/18/2011 at 12:34 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Gordon, I"m so glad ya got this. I have to admit, there are times I miss this machine. However, overall, I like my Kenmore Elite TT much better when it comes to capacity, believe iot or not, it holds more than the GE could in one load. I pretty much got to the point that the only cycles I used as my daily cycles was either Light Wassh or Potscrubber. I don't think I used Normal very much. I figured if the load needed that little extra "oomph" I might as well use the Potscrubber. And also, if I was gonna use that much aditional water between the two cycles, then that's what I did. I do question the cycle sequence chart above. I cannot imagine there only being one post-wash rinse on Light Wash, Energy Saver, and China Crystal. Wouldn't surprise me if that wass a missarrangement of the "boxes" on the chart. The water usage figures were the exact same on my version for all those cycles. What's different is: my normal and PS had 3 post-wash rinses; Light, Energy Saver, and C/C did a prewash, rinse, main wash, and two post-wash rinses. The time difference Energy Saver and Light Wash was at least 7 minutes. Energy Saver and C/C were 36 minutes I believe also. The difference between Energy Saver and Light Wash was: the rinse between the prewash & main wash on ES had an aerated fill/spray (can you say China/Crystal fill level, hence the .5 less gallon usage) as well as ES also had the timer skip 7 minutes of the main wash as well as the delay for water heating phase. I'll have to dig up my book sometime, it's buried in with some other stufff (yes I kept it). With the water heating delay, light wash as essentially what most every other machine at the time considered a "normal wash". It would take off oatmeal which sat on bowls for a week. All those times are without the 26 minute heateed dry. During the winter, the main wash on PS could sometimes be as long as 45 minutes. The water got extremely hot, which was fine with me. I'll be really curious to see if Light Wash does indeed have only one post-wash rinse on your machine.
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Post# 544308 , Reply# 12   9/18/2011 at 12:49 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Gordon, I bought mine May, 1987. It's pointer was indeed red. My mom got her 1200 about a year or 1.5 years after I did. Her indicator was white. The only cycles she used were energy saver, china crystal, and occassionally Rinse & Hold. Her cycle sequence was a slight bit different than mine. On mine, on any of the 3 lesser cycles, after the main wash, the timer advanced past the first-post wash rinse (which was aerated/china crystal fill level. On my moms', the timer advanced throgh the 2nd post-wash rinse between the 1st & 3rd post-wash rinses (that just kinda blew me away the first time it did that and I had to hang around another time when it was running to make sure I dind't dream that up.) Hers was also a little bit quieter than mine.
Wow Ken, I never saw a 1200 without that cup rack, never knew it existed. I thought maybe the previous owner removed it. My sisteer got an 1100 about two years before I got my 1200. Hers had the super rack upper rack, but without that "fence" on the left side, it was totally open just like on the right side. I"m like you, that one area drove me nuts. Just about all my glasses did manage to fit in there though. But, when I'd done a bunch of cooking, sometimes I dind't really have anything that would fit in that row. I'd have to be creative and put some things in there facing the center on their side that would fit. I wasn't gonna let that space be wasted. (the same way with the saucer rack in the bottom). As far as the cup rack, I always put glasses on the two outer rows and coffee mugs (no cup & saucer usage around here) on the two inside rows. then I'd flip the cup rack down and use that for small tupper ware or margerine tubs I'd used for left overs. There were times I even wished I'd had a cup rack on the right side too. I'd put mixing bowls or other sauce pans on top of the silverware basket right as I was getting ready to run it (that space wasn't gonna be wasteed if I needed the capacity. |
Post# 544309 , Reply# 13   9/18/2011 at 12:59 (4,601 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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I'd love to go to a restored vintage dishwasher myself. These new ones do okay and hold alot but take forever and don't always rinse well. I would love to go back to an early to mid 80'2 rapid advance Kitchenaid Superba or Patrician by Hobart. You could not beat the durability or wash action of these beauties.
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Post# 544312 , Reply# 14   9/18/2011 at 13:08 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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And I"M with Darren on this. So many people on here b*tch about the tower wash system not being as good as two separate wash arms on GEs (can we say Potscrubber II models). But, I had extremely rare instances in the 19 years I had this machne where something dindn't come clean in one of the top rack corners and mine aws BobLoaded to the gills on some of the most filthyiest dishware/cookware loads and sometimes completely blocked any awter from getting up to the top rack from the multi-orbit wash arm. All that washed the top rack was the tower. |
Post# 544320 , Reply# 15   9/18/2011 at 13:30 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Real nice 1200 - best of luck with it Gordon!
My favorate was the potscrubber2 but I still liked the 1200 series a lot. They were real power houses! I am going to try to attach some info on a later model 1200. CLICK HERE TO GO TO peteski50's LINK |
Post# 544327 , Reply# 16   9/18/2011 at 14:11 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 544330 , Reply# 17   9/18/2011 at 14:23 (4,601 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 544331 , Reply# 18   9/18/2011 at 14:50 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 544336 , Reply# 19   9/18/2011 at 15:40 (4,601 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)   |   | |
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Post# 544340 , Reply# 21   9/18/2011 at 16:33 (4,601 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)   |   | |
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Post# 544341 , Reply# 22   9/18/2011 at 16:38 (4,601 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)   |   | |
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Post# 544342 , Reply# 23   9/18/2011 at 16:40 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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David you are correct with your assumption about the 1200's ashing capability, confirmed by John LeFever. Funny ting is, I could never really discerne any real difference in spray pattern as it ran through a cycle. But I am sure it did. Because I was having people over so much for dinner in those days (when I could afford to have company, I got to "demo" the machine's outstanding capabilities. I actually sold 2, if not 3 1200s during that time. |
Post# 544343 , Reply# 24   9/18/2011 at 16:42 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 544344 , Reply# 25   9/18/2011 at 16:45 (4,601 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)   |   | |
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Post# 544345 , Reply# 26   9/18/2011 at 16:46 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 544346 , Reply# 27   9/18/2011 at 16:47 (4,601 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)   |   | |
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Post# 544355 , Reply# 28   9/18/2011 at 18:01 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 544356 , Reply# 29   9/18/2011 at 18:02 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 544357 , Reply# 30   9/18/2011 at 18:05 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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My first 1200 had the ivory color racks too. I think both your current machine Gary and mine were late models, though John told me that my later one (the first one) didn't have the heavy duty door springs this one has, as well the upper rack didn't have the wheels in the back that roll on the tub roof, which stabilize the rolling of the rack. I'm half tempted to knock on my old door and ask the owners if they'd like my Tall Tub free of charge in trade for the 1200 (if it's still there).
As for the cup rack, this machine came with it, I took it out right away, which I did in my last 1200 too. For me it just gets in the way. My 2200 didn't have one, nor did Mom's 900s, and I preferred mine that way. I'm with Bob on the limited use of the upper rack's left side. I usually managed to fill it, and I did yesterday, but just as Bob said, you have to improvize sometimes and put stuff there that you ordinarily wouldn't. Out of curiosity Bob, what happened to your machine? Does your Mom still have hers? Oh yeah - Darren, if for some reason you accidentally close the detergent cup lid, just start a cycle and cancel it immediately, the timer will rapid advance all the way around and release the cup. Gordon |
Post# 544358 , Reply# 31   9/18/2011 at 18:09 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 544360 , Reply# 32   9/18/2011 at 18:24 (4,601 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 544365 , Reply# 33   9/18/2011 at 18:58 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Yes it sure does let you know when it opens. I thought it was startling at times. I had the BOL years back. Also it sometimes jammed but I was able to get around it but a few people I knew that werent appliance people seemed to have a harder time getting it to stay closed. We should start a thread on which dispensers were better or worse!
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Post# 544388 , Reply# 35   9/18/2011 at 21:08 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Peter, I find it difficult to believe to believe this was a later version of this machine than my 1987. The reason being it uses more water than comparable cycles in the guide Gordon scanned and there is no mention of the temeprature sensor 120 system being available to extended wash times, other than PotScrubber cycle having extended main wash time, all rather counter to what was going on at the time as the year progressed--using less water and more std. water heating so households could turn down their water heaters to 120 degrees. This reminds me more of what would have been on this model when it was first introduced as a PotScrubber III (with Debbie Reynolds in a magazine ad we've seen). This was when the 1200 was the TOL before the 2800 arrived on the scene. Also, there is no real difference between Normal wash and Energy Saver wash, which as far as I'm concerned is a real joke at trying to pass it off as an Energy Saver cycle. |
Post# 544389 , Reply# 36   9/18/2011 at 21:14 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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kevin, I saw the type of top rack your machine has toward the end of these Super Racks as we knew them. I think I saw them on a "high-end" Hotpoint and maybe a mol GE. In fact, I now remember where I saw it--had some friends that lived here and fell in love with my dishwasher. When they moved back to lexington, KY and built a new house, they specified a GE 1200 (this was like in late 1991 or early 1992 and by then they had come out with the Quiet Power line. I was actually kinda jealous of the top rack in that new 1200 because it was far more flexible than what Gordon and mine had. Incidentally, when I returned home from visiting my friends there in KY about 1993 or 1994, the next time I used my dishwasher, something happened to the cam mechanism on the cycle buttons and the button no longer stayed pushed in when you started the dishwasher, it just popped back out when you released it from holding it down to start the cycle. The heated dry buttons still worked properly. |
Post# 544391 , Reply# 37   9/18/2011 at 21:18 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 544392 , Reply# 38   9/18/2011 at 21:23 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 544397 , Reply# 39   9/18/2011 at 22:22 (4,601 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Well Peter, I"m gonna be the devil's advocate so to speak and split hairs with you. You cannot simply go by "label" of cycle, you have to look at comporable sequences. As I have stated before in discussing these differences, what was Normal on my model later became Heavy Soil and that's a comparable comparison. What was Light Wash on my model later became Normal Cycle. Except for China-Crystal, all comparable cycles used more water on the S version than others, including rinse & hold. You look at essential sequence, not label. (It's kinda like some people on here bitch because their Duet doesn't have a cycle called Permanent Press on it, but the manual clearly states the Normal/Casual cycle is intended for, including, wrinkle free and permanent press items). Another way of looking at this is the layout of the buttons. From left to right, each ensuing button was for a lower performing/lower soil requirement. They simply dumbed down in a way the terms, trading Normal for LIght, and Heavy for Normal. (Kinda like that last of the PlwerCleans, Normal started with the main wash phase, no "prewash", so you had to use "heavy wash" if you wanted to have dual detergent washes. It's simply manipulating terms again to satisfy some government requirement. But then again, I look inside the covers rather than simply accept what the cov er of the books says. It's also kind of like on the new Maytag Maxima's, default normal soil is the equivalent of heavy soil (and time length of cycle) on the cmparable Duet model. Just like I stated above, I habitually used Light Soil because it was simply the equivalent cycle (in terms of sequence of events) for what many other brands at the time had as normal (prewash, rinse, heated main wash, and two post wash rinses). And my energy saver cycle was the equivalent of most light soil cycles--maybe a prewawsh but then a shortened main wash (probably without temp boost) and two rinses, which si what my energy sagver cycle was. I used it for light soil or for soil that haedn't sat for more than aday or if I was doing some cooking and baking and that was the perfect cycle for stuff that hadn't become encrusted. And as I've said before, I knew my Normal Cycle was the equivalent of most other's heavy soil cycle and I didn't reaklly use it, if I felt I needed better performance over the Light Soil (which gleefully took care of cooked on oatmeal and other starches which had sat for several days), I jsut simply went straight to PotScrubber. Even with dinner guests of 10 & 12 and just tableware put in there, Light Soil was more than adequate. This post was last edited 09/18/2011 at 22:50 |
Post# 544400 , Reply# 41   9/18/2011 at 22:35 (4,601 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 544403 , Reply# 42   9/18/2011 at 22:39 (4,601 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)   |   | |
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Exactly! It wasn't right away,but the ball started rolling with KitchenAid! |
Post# 544466 , Reply# 43   9/19/2011 at 07:43 (4,600 days old) by GadgetGary (Bristol,CT)   |   | |
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Post# 544588 , Reply# 44   9/19/2011 at 18:06 (4,600 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 544621 , Reply# 45   9/20/2011 at 00:42 (4,600 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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I had a 1999 Maytag Intelliclean 9000 series DW with the 22 jet tower which changed patterns with every revolution of the lower Jetclean wash arm. That tower combined with the full size wash arm in the top of the machine washed the top rack as well as Mom's KA KDP-20 with the SS upper wash arm. The triple filtration and hard food disposer completed the package. I'd love to have an Intelliclean and a Hobart built KA on either side of the sink. These machines could challenge eachother on who cleans the best. (We all know the Hobart was best built.) My 17 years in the foodservice biz can confirm that.
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Post# 545799 , Reply# 46   9/25/2011 at 19:55 (4,594 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Just as I had learned to let go of my gripes about the TallTub and to load it using it's racks instead of fighting them trying to load like I loaded the old 1200, now I'm re-learning my old usage patterns.
I LOVE the power of this dishwasher. Already, the colander that is seen in the top rack picture has far more shine on it than it did before. There was stuck-on starch from spaghetti noodles, which never came off in the TT. I just assumed it was tarnished. One run through the 1200 with a Finish Powerball Tab and the chrome shine is back. Sitting in front of the machine, you can hear the multi-orbit wash arm spraying the door in different patterns, which sounds like a pressure washer, vs. a spray bottle that my TT reminded me of. So far I've used the Potscrubber cycle to run the Affresh tablet that I 'flushed' the machine with, and I've run the Normal Wash twice. Next will be to test the Light Soil cycle, which is what I usually used on my last 1200. I've tried the Rinse/Hold as well. The sound of the new-style GE replacement pump/motor takes some getting used to as compared to the old motor, but overall, what a machine! Gordon |