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| Post# 547555 , Reply# 1 10/5/2011 at 03:24 (4,580 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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| Post# 547557 , Reply# 2 10/5/2011 at 05:23 (4,580 days old) by MikeKLondon (London) | ||
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Why Sorry but could I just ask why you changed from Miele to the the V-Zug they are new to me | ||
Post# 547564 , Reply# 3 10/5/2011 at 06:09 (4,580 days old) by chestermikeuk  (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Dryer
Congratulations on your new laundry set, I`m sure you wont be dissapointed over and above the previous Mieles. As you say Ultra Quiet and the 8kg 60ltr drum is cavernous, the 1600rpm is one of the quietest I`ve heard and the spin extraction is the best...The Wet Clean programme is great for those clothes that just need refreshing etc..
The Heat Pump dryer is again very quiet and uses far less electricity than other models...if you have been used to a vented dryer then any heat pump dryer will take a bit of getting used to!! Just make sure if you have a fully pressurised water system, particularly a combi boiler that the in-line pressure pot it large enough to match the requirements and that any pipework needs to be fixed rigid to walls otherwise you could experience "water hammer" when the VAS system "Vibration Absorbency System) is in use.. CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK 
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| Post# 547567 , Reply# 4 10/5/2011 at 06:48 (4,580 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK) | ||
V-ZUG... | ||
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Post# 547570 , Reply# 5 10/5/2011 at 07:16 (4,580 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug History
Hello Hass
Heres the Zug History pages, have a read & click round. Zug have been in business manufacturing since 1913, they prided themselves only building Swiss quality for their own, its only recently that we see them develop the brand elswhere... Miele used to be the "Exclusive & Different brand, now every man & his dog have them.....so If you Aspire to want the "Difference" then V-Zug is the New Miele....cost you around 3k for the washer & dryer.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK 
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| Post# 547576 , Reply# 6 10/5/2011 at 07:40 (4,580 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK) | ||
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Mike...
Hello Mike, thanks for sharing the info with me, yeah by the looks of it, this brand it does come across to be similar with Miele, ie the difference and suiting to your wash needs. Who would of thought Miele would be competing with another brand hey. Lol I would have to save my pennies to by these beauties Mike. Also the thing I like about these machines, is they have that modern look with a retro twist, maybe that's what's so appealing about it... Have they done any reviews on this machine? For example on 'Which'...
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Post# 547582 , Reply# 7 10/5/2011 at 08:37 (4,580 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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As Seen On UK Whitegoods
Market Position
The only way to describe V-Zug's market position is right at the top, almost stratospheric in price and quality. This means, not cheap by any stretch. V-Zug are actually priced higher than Miele and ISE and billed as being better and/or longer lasting than either of the two. This may be open to debate but, the quality of V-Zug is not open to question really, the appliances are painstakingly well built. Hass, they are the Rolex of the Washing Machine World - They Dont See Themselves Like Miele at all....LOl, CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK 
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| Post# 547584 , Reply# 8 10/5/2011 at 09:58 (4,580 days old) by MikeKLondon (London) | ||
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I like the look of the V-Zug I'm just off for a quick trip up north to Newark Antiques fair for a few days I'll have a good look at this when I get back. 
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| Post# 547586 , Reply# 9 10/5/2011 at 10:08 (4,580 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK) | ||
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That sums it up...
lol the Rolex of the Washing Machine World. I love the sound of that Mike!!! After seeing the prices ie the top price for the top model is over 4k, I can see why they don't compare them selves to Miele. Like I said earlier me knowledge of these machine is very little. I was impress with the 'wet clean cycle' after seeing it on YouTube...so the thought of not taking your suits down to the Dry Cleaners, make's me sway towards this machine...I give my thumbs up :)
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| Post# 547588 , Reply# 10 10/5/2011 at 10:37 (4,580 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom) | ||
Mixed Opinions :) | ||
| Post# 547589 , Reply# 11 10/5/2011 at 10:43 (4,580 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK) | ||
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Jacob... | ||
| Post# 547597 , Reply# 12 10/5/2011 at 12:59 (4,580 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom) | ||
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Its a bit much though! | ||
| Post# 547598 , Reply# 13 10/5/2011 at 13:06 (4,580 days old) by aquarius8000 () | ||
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I doo like these machines, way of my budget especialy cause were getting a new dishwasher! | ||
| Post# 547600 , Reply# 14 10/5/2011 at 13:15 (4,580 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom) | ||
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Oooh Chris! | ||
| Post# 547602 , Reply# 15 10/5/2011 at 13:26 (4,580 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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Post# 547603 , Reply# 16 10/5/2011 at 13:29 (4,580 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I introduced the V-Zug brand on this website after Launderess had seen a picture of it on some website. I had used a V-Zug in Switzerland before. That was a V-Zug Adorina, which at that time was a rebadged AEG. Nowadays unfortunately the Adorina series are sourced from Bauknecht.
I think I may say that I made more people interested in V-Zug washing machines and dryers. Fortunately they have become better available in Europe than in the past, when they were only sold in Switzerland. The brand V-Zug, or plain Zug as many Swiss call it, is one of the many brands in Switzerland. It's amazing that so many brands are/were available overthere. BTW, Zug has been discussed quite a few times on this website, or at least mentioned. Do a search on the Searchalator and many threads will come up. In the summer of 2007 I was on holiday in Switzerland. I had the pleasure of visiting the V-Zug museum. I was granted permission to take pictures. I put them in a Webshots album. Here's the link: CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK | ||
| Post# 547613 , Reply# 17 10/5/2011 at 14:32 (4,580 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
My congratulations for your purchase!
I am sure you will enjoy the set. A V-Zug washing machine would be a little dream come true for me :) (when talking about modern washing machines) But I will continue to dream about it, because it's too expensive :) It is really a Rolex or Rolls Royce of the washing machines. Ingemar | ||
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Post# 547617 , Reply# 18 10/5/2011 at 14:50 (4,580 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Hi David, Thats a very pretty machine, congratulations. :) I looked at them when they first came out, but the price was around $4800 which was a bit scary. I'm very interested in how the heatpump dryer goes in the aussie climate. Cheers Nathan | ||
| Post# 547756 , Reply# 20 10/6/2011 at 10:33 (4,579 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom) | ||
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| Post# 547861 , Reply# 22 10/6/2011 at 18:15 (4,579 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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"nothing can beat Miele quality" | ||
| Post# 547896 , Reply# 24 10/6/2011 at 23:18 (4,578 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Miele Supertronic on its way!!
I have decided to upgrade my W 3985 WPS to the new Supertronic. The Miele Gallery in Melbourne have just put these babies on display. I am setting up my laundry to have the AutoDos unit on a wall bracket so then I can stack the matching heat pump on top. I will post pics when I get it, but I did test drive it and it was impressive, especially the steam function. I washed 5 business shirts and one was good enough to wear without ironing. Of course it depends on the fabric type and mix.
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| Post# 547928 , Reply# 26 10/7/2011 at 03:06 (4,578 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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comparision Rudin, So if you could only keep one, which would it be? I haven't seen the new Miele with steam, I'm going to the launch next Tuesday here in South Melbourne. David. | ||
| Post# 547929 , Reply# 27 10/7/2011 at 03:08 (4,578 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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Choice test They rated the Adora pretty low on rinsing ability, and that's simply just plain crap. It is the best rinsing washing machine I have ever seen, by quite some margin. 14,000 holes in the drum drilled by a ruby, gotta be a good thing. | ||
| Post# 547931 , Reply# 29 10/7/2011 at 03:27 (4,578 days old) by rudin1969 (Italy) | ||
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I meant the 1:15 cottons programme | ||
| Post# 547944 , Reply# 30 10/7/2011 at 06:19 (4,578 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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Choice do some strange things sometimes. They claim they test on the "standard" wash, but obviously they don't. | ||
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Post# 548054 , Reply# 32 10/8/2011 at 02:14 (4,577 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Zug Holy Grail Drum
Hi David, Do you have a pressurized water system, Combi Boiler etc, Any chance of posting the "Choice" reports and results please??
Ingemar, yes built like a Rolls Royce and with Rolex Swiss Precision & Quality... Hass, I like them because they are "Different", you will never see them in the high street, they are the domain of Kitchen Specialists and Designers - And Harrods - niche market... 
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Post# 548055 , Reply# 33 10/8/2011 at 02:28 (4,577 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Excellent Rinsing I find... | ||
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Post# 548058 , Reply# 34 10/8/2011 at 02:53 (4,577 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Vibration Absorbing System | ||
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Post# 548061 , Reply# 35 10/8/2011 at 02:55 (4,577 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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VAS System In Action | ||
| Post# 548072 , Reply# 36 10/8/2011 at 05:30 (4,577 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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From what I know in Switzerland the water is very soft, so I assume that this washer should have a good rince cycle since it is made primary for the Switzerlan market.
I like it very much the connector for the dryer drain. That's cool, so the soft condensed water from the dryer can be reused in the washer. (or am I wrong?) Ingemar | ||
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Post# 548077 , Reply# 37 10/8/2011 at 06:13 (4,577 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Washer Dryer Drain
The water from the dryer can be connected to the drain on the washer, (T-Connection) two in one, its not used for wash water...that could be a great feature!!
The Swiss have the total extreames of water from soft to hard, the Zug Ador has programmes to suit this and also for using soap or synthetic detergents, also for Laundry Additives like pre-washers etc.. 
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| Post# 548080 , Reply# 38 10/8/2011 at 06:43 (4,577 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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Wow! Thanks, I didn't know that about the ability to use it in soft conditions (and with soap if wanted) and in hard conditions.
Thank you for the explanation. It's really a pity that the water from the dryer is not used for the next wash. The condensed water is very soft and it would have at least a room temperature so it would be an adittional save. :) Ingemar | ||
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Post# 548113 , Reply# 40 10/8/2011 at 12:10 (4,577 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Already in the 60's I learned to be suspicious of the tests consumer organisations perform. Back then the Dutch consumer orginasition tested washing machines. They turned the machines off after one minute into the spin cycle. They stated that most of the water had been spun out and there was no use in letting the machines spin longer. The tested Miele spun at 800rpm in that first minute, didn't get a chance to spin the last three minutes at 1000rpm!
In this test the time the cycles took speaks for itself, they used cycles you can't compare. 190 minutes for the LG and 84 minutes for the Zug! No wonder the Zug performed worse! BTW, there was a time that washers were tested using programmes with higher temperatures! | ||
| Post# 548234 , Reply# 45 10/9/2011 at 01:26 (4,576 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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V-Zug story CLICK HERE TO GO TO deedub's LINK | ||
| Post# 548235 , Reply# 46 10/9/2011 at 01:31 (4,576 days old) by rudin1969 (Italy) | ||
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Why do you think VZug has not provided a fuzzy logic system that reduces the time of the programme with partial loads? | ||
| Post# 548238 , Reply# 47 10/9/2011 at 01:58 (4,576 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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It does adjust the cycle based on load size. | ||
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Post# 548241 , Reply# 48 10/9/2011 at 02:36 (4,576 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Choice...
Interesting results, the Choice reports set alarm bells ringing straight away as the Asko`s have shallower rinses and use less water, and this test model has the highest water usage....
Louis, yes you would have thought that a max temp would have been used, have you used the Zug Unimatic Top loaders??, David, still interested in knowing what type of plumbing system you are using it with? is it linked into a pressurized hot water system??, is yours on a suspended wooden floor then?? Dex, yes technically amazing, aesthetics - well as you say thats all down to personal choice.. | ||
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Post# 548242 , Reply# 49 10/9/2011 at 02:51 (4,576 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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"Why do you think VZug has not provided a fuzzy logic sy
Why ever would you want that term " Logic" linked with the word "Fuzzy" and have it on your machine has always been the biggest misnomer for me...LOl, so all it does is what?? monitors the "Processes" and adjusts the "Variables" - well thats exactly what the Zugs do - but using their own "Swiss Precision" technology, and not some other term loosely banded about and used as the most over-rated sales tool ever...
When you study the Zug Adora washing you will observe the "Variables" in motion, and when you see the motor control on the wet clean and delicate programmes, its an art in itself in getting the drum to hold the cradle motion on the quarter turns... And if you want "Precision Control" you only need to look at the "Black Box" speed controller and the computer controls on the top to see the quality...and its the "Hidden Programming" thats the art....which Zug appear to have perfected over many years... 
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Post# 548244 , Reply# 50 10/9/2011 at 03:10 (4,576 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Pride Of Place - Zug | ||
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Post# 548248 , Reply# 51 10/9/2011 at 04:40 (4,576 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 548252 , Reply# 52 10/9/2011 at 06:06 (4,576 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Choice, Steam, Soft water, Fuzzy Logic.....
Hi All,
Some of the topics I would like to comment on: Let's start with Choice. Brisnat said they test to the energy label, actually they don't and this is why there is such a discrepancy in results. All front loaders are usually tested using the Cottons 40 degree wash. Miele using their default Cottons 40 programme with no options, The VZug programme is the 40 degree programme with normal soiling option selected, and 1400 rpm spin for the label programme. Choice does all their testing with cold water, as 70% of their subscribers wash in cold water, go figure. This does have an impact on the overall score of the machines. When it comes to the steam function of the Miele vs the VZug these also differ. The Miele uses a twin injection system in the wash drum. The steam is produced in an external steam generator and injected from the top of the drum and in between the inner and outer drum. The VZug produces steam in the bottom of the outer drum with the heating element submerged in water. The advantage of the Miele system is that it can tailor the steam delivery in the drum depending on the type of fabric being steamed. When it comes to soft water and rinsing, Miele offers Water plus option as well as extra rinse option, which I use here in Melbourne as the water is very soft, 3 German degrees. The VZug has an option that can be enabled for soft water areas, as well as being able to add up to 2 additional rinses as well as increasing the water level. Fuzzy logic, a term which was invented in the 80s and used by many Asian brands. Miele has 2 electronic control modules, one which is on the control panel and the other is the control electronic which looks very much like the VZug machine and that is the brain which controls all the processes of the wash cycle. | ||
| Post# 548334 , Reply# 53 10/9/2011 at 18:48 (4,576 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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Miele vs Zug Gee Rod, if their is ever a product manager position at Miele you would be perfectly qualified! lol. David :) | ||
| Post# 548336 , Reply# 54 10/9/2011 at 18:51 (4,576 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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Plumbing Chestermike, I have no idea about my plumbing - the water comes out that's the extent of my knowledge!! I'm on a concrete floor third story. I originally had the Miele on a timber floor and it never caused any problems, was well impressed! | ||
| Post# 548396 , Reply# 55 10/10/2011 at 00:48 (4,575 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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VZug energy and water ratings
I noticed that the machines have had their energy and water ratings improved. It seems that VZug are planning to compete on the Australian market. The updated SLQ has a 4 star energy efficiency and 4.5 star WELS water efficiency rating. The first ones had 3.5 star energy and 4 star water. There goes the rinse efficiency! Also the test programme time has jumped from 134 minutes to 174 minutes for the normal soil level! Water consumption has dropped 10 litres to 66 compared to 76.
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Post# 548402 , Reply# 56 10/10/2011 at 04:09 (4,575 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Test Results
Hi Rod, "All front loaders are usually tested using the Cottons 40 degree wash" are you meaning the Choice test programmes or the EU EN60456 directive??
BTW, I thought you did work for Miele?? Hi David, I was asking if your hot water comes from a pressurized gas combi boiler or sealed electric system? | ||
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Post# 548411 , Reply# 58 10/10/2011 at 05:27 (4,575 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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| Post# 548419 , Reply# 59 10/10/2011 at 05:55 (4,575 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Australian Standards
Hi Mike,
Washing machines whether top or front loading are tested to AS/NZS 2040.2. The programme used is a Normal or Cottons programme with a minimum temperature of 40 degrees. Some manufacturers also use up to 60 degrees to achieve the pass required for the label. This of course would lower the energy star rating. Therefore the programme is optimised to obtain the best energy and water rating. The standard also tests for rinse efficiency. There was a point where machines were using very little water but were not rinsing properly to obtain a high water efficiency rating. They put a marker in the wash water and see what is left behind after the cycle finishes. The less that is left the better the rinse performance. The problem with the marker is that it dissolves and rinses out easily when using higher temperatures. When Choice test, they only test to part of the standard. That is they use the standard wash load and marker for rinse efficiency, but test using the cold setting rather than what's stated on the energy label. This therefore affects the overall performance scores for dirt removal and rinse efficiency as the marker doesn't rinse out as easily when using cold water in the wash cycle. Shhh!!! don't tell anyone! | ||
| Post# 548463 , Reply# 61 10/10/2011 at 10:15 (4,575 days old) by rudin1969 (Italy) | ||
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Another thing... in the 'original' 2009 Adora, the test programme was slightly shorter and used up a bit more electricity. They tweaked with it in the 2010 version, in order to top the chart of energy efficient washers in the Swiss Topten site (see link) CLICK HERE TO GO TO rudin1969's LINK | ||
| Post# 548523 , Reply# 62 10/10/2011 at 15:33 (4,575 days old) by deedub (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
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Water connection Chestermikeuk, I have an instantaneous gas hws. But the washer is only connected to cold. I had the Miele connected to both, but had a sealed electric system in both houses it lived in. David | ||
| Post# 548570 , Reply# 63 10/10/2011 at 20:29 (4,574 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Australian vs European standards
Hi Rudin69,
Yes the programme used for the label in Europe is correct, but in Australia we have a different standard we test to. If you look in the Australian VZug manual, it gives you what the test programme is. What they have done is extend the time for 'Normal soil' level as our standard states that the programme is designed to wash a normally soiled load, not heavily soiled like in the EU test programme. | ||
| Post# 548693 , Reply# 65 10/11/2011 at 15:07 (4,574 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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V-Zug and Miele I was talking about V-Zug and Miele with a friend on the weekend who is known for his frugality and slightly idiosyncratic ways....
Suffice to say that the conversation ended up with me stating that I think I'll buy a Miele washer when we replace the Westinghouse/Zanussi/Electrolux. His comment was really quite interesting:
'Why on earth would you want to spend $2000 on something that always appears to be breaking down?'
I was a tad astounded by this and asked for further explanation.....
'Simon and I have a great number of high value and celebrity customers (they are pond and aquarium people - currently building one worth $250k for some lucky sod). There is barely a month goes by when the red Miele van isn't at one of our customers'
Now, Darren isn't known for exaggeration or being diplomatic so I'm tempted to accept that he does see the red Miele van at houses quite regularly.....
I suppose this has just made me think about it a tad...
Has anyone else experienced high 'Miele Van' occurances? | ||
| Post# 548712 , Reply# 67 10/11/2011 at 17:02 (4,574 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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something that always appears to be breaking down
Hi Ron,
I think that this is very much a blanket statement your friend is making. Remember that service calls don't always pertain to a 'break down'. There are service statistics which log what type of service call is being made. I can tell you that many are for user error issues and not related to a technical fault. | ||
| Post# 551352 , Reply# 69 10/23/2011 at 03:11 (4,562 days old) by rudin1969 (Italy) | ||
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hello, deedub any feedback about the Vzug after a couple of weeks' use? Have you tried the 'textile' specialty programmes? | ||
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Post# 552054 , Reply# 70 10/26/2011 at 15:06 (4,559 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Looks like one tough machine | ||
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