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Post# 563184   12/14/2011 at 09:57 (4,514 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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So some of you might remember this thread from last month. I had been alerted to this Craigslist ad a few days before a thread was posted about it here on aw. The washer was located in San Diego and was actually posted on San Diego Craigslist back in the summer of 2010. I couldn't help but to notice that even though only one picture was shown in the ad, the machine looked just mint. So last year I emailed the seller inquiring about the machine and he never responded so I didn't follow up. Over a year later the machine shows up on CL again. I emailed the seller and asked him if I immedately Paypal'd him the cash for the machine could I send a shipper out to pick it up? His five word response was "NO, BUY A WASHER LOCALLY". So then I email him again, explaning what I do as a collector and sent him a few pictures of our basement asking him again if I could buy it, this time there was no response what so ever.
So after thinking about it for a week and not giving up so easily, I emailed Kevin (revvinkevin) in LA and asked if he would mind going to pick it up for me and I would have it shipped from his house. Kevin so very kindly went down to San Diego and picked up the machine, THANK YOU AGAIN KEVIN, and we got it shipped.
So the machine arrives, at first it has major timer issues. I would only spin, not fill or agitate unless I giggled the timer just right in a few spots. So I took the timer apart and soldered back down a loose contact. The machine worked great then for about three wash loads when the motor started to give out. I thought the motor was bad and posted a thread about it. I tried to fit a motor from a mid 60s Kelvinator washer, but it was just a hair too big. So back to troubleshooting, I noticed that if I didn't tighten the motor mounting bolts all the way down, the motor worked just fine, although noisy with the bolts loose and rattling. As soon as I figured that out I realized that the motor is not the issue. So in examining the motor/transmission coupling I realized it was changed in a later repair not using proper Easy parts. The make-shift coupler was a bit too large and when you tightened the motor mounting bolts properly it put inward pressure on the driven member of the transmission causing it to bind at times. So I trimmed the coupler down a bit and was able to tighten the bolts without any extra pressure which seems to have solved the problem. How I managed to get through three or four wash loads at first without it acting up is a mystery to me.
The machine is absolutely low-use MINT to say the least.
Here are some initial pictures, I will take more over the lunch hour... |
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Post# 563186 , Reply# 1   12/14/2011 at 09:59 (4,514 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 563187 , Reply# 2   12/14/2011 at 10:00 (4,514 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 563188 , Reply# 3   12/14/2011 at 10:00 (4,514 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 563190 , Reply# 4   12/14/2011 at 10:03 (4,514 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 563192 , Reply# 5   12/14/2011 at 10:13 (4,514 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 563200 , Reply# 7   12/14/2011 at 10:36 (4,514 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 563201 , Reply# 8   12/14/2011 at 10:36 (4,514 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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It's beautiful. Just look at that Spiralator shimmer. Can't get over how much, in the close-up of the controls, it looks like a tower Unimatic. And I real like the drain holes so far up on the very top of the tub. the spin must be exciting to watch, and I hope you'll show us.
You were right when you said I'd really like it. I love it and am white and silver with envy. And it's great that Kevin rescued it from the refusenik. |
Post# 563203 , Reply# 9   12/14/2011 at 10:40 (4,514 days old) by Jsneaker ()   |   | |
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Robert, Mazel Tov with the Easy, too bad it was a hardship to get going again. I look forward to videos of the Easy sloshing-away! Jason |
Post# 563204 , Reply# 10   12/14/2011 at 10:47 (4,514 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 563206 , Reply# 11   12/14/2011 at 10:52 (4,514 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Robert, you are very welcome and I'm pleased was able to help!
It really is a BEATUIFUL machine! It would have been a wonderful piece to add to my collection, however I'm afraid if I bring home one more washer, that TV show "Hoarders" is going to suddenly appear on my door step! LOL
I'm happy it's in your very knowlegable and capable hands! I would have never known about that coupler issue!
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Post# 563223 , Reply# 12   12/14/2011 at 11:55 (4,514 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 563226 , Reply# 13   12/14/2011 at 12:02 (4,514 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 563228 , Reply# 14   12/14/2011 at 12:21 (4,514 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)   |   | |
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Post# 563253 , Reply# 15   12/14/2011 at 13:41 (4,514 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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cool find!-only Easy washer i have seen up close was a wringer from 1923... |
Post# 563256 , Reply# 16   12/14/2011 at 14:15 (4,514 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)   |   | |
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I take it this is a time fill machine? If so, when you can, I'd be grateful for a timer shot of the "fill" portion. Lawrence/Maytagbear |
Post# 563257 , Reply# 17   12/14/2011 at 14:15 (4,514 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 563260 , Reply# 18   12/14/2011 at 14:27 (4,514 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 563261 , Reply# 19   12/14/2011 at 14:31 (4,514 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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What's that machine next to it? thor -oXXXX That's a Thor badged Bendix Powersurge. Yes, but that machine not nearly in as good of shape as this machine. The new machine runs so much smoother and quieter. Actually Lawrence its not, when the tub is full water overflows into the outer tub which trips a water level sensor.
Mike the Agitator is made out of bakelite. |
Post# 563264 , Reply# 20   12/14/2011 at 14:33 (4,514 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 563267 , Reply# 21   12/14/2011 at 14:40 (4,514 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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And I'm glad (certainly by no means surprised) you figured out the motor issue. Sometimes walking away from and coming back to a perplexing issue with renewed resolve and a different perspective is all that's required.
Kevin, you are to be commended for your key contribution to this cause!
Nate, even though Robert had already been alerted to the CL ad, your post provided an oblique clue regarding the mystery motor! |
Post# 563278 , Reply# 22   12/14/2011 at 15:49 (4,514 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 563281 , Reply# 23   12/14/2011 at 16:06 (4,514 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 563284 , Reply# 24   12/14/2011 at 16:38 (4,514 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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It truly is a beautiful machine, I saw and touched it over the weekend. Congrats on getting it up and going again - hopefully that's the last of the trouble and it can now live up to it's Easy name!
I took a bunch of pictures with my Heavy Duty Automatic DSLR so I'll try to get some of those up later tonight after class. |
Post# 563290 , Reply# 25   12/14/2011 at 17:13 (4,514 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 563294 , Reply# 26   12/14/2011 at 17:24 (4,514 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 563300 , Reply# 27   12/14/2011 at 18:00 (4,514 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)   |   | |
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What condition. Glad you were able to get it!! Rich |
Post# 563302 , Reply# 28   12/14/2011 at 18:38 (4,514 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 563303 , Reply# 29   12/14/2011 at 18:49 (4,514 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 563313 , Reply# 30   12/14/2011 at 20:01 (4,514 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 563319 , Reply# 31   12/14/2011 at 20:08 (4,514 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 563325 , Reply# 32   12/14/2011 at 20:44 (4,514 days old) by Northwesty (Renton, WA)   |   | |
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It looks great. Actually I am amazed that a BOL machine looks so good. The TOLs much have really been something. I wonder if the bad repair was an issue and actually preserved this machine over the decades. So neat so see these preserved. |
Post# 563328 , Reply# 33   12/14/2011 at 21:26 (4,514 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 563334 , Reply# 35   12/14/2011 at 22:13 (4,513 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)   |   | |
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Robert, you never cease to amaze me. I have never seen an Easy automatic in person. And, live and learn -- I had no idea Thor had anything to do with the Bendix powersurge. Fascinating machine. Keep up the good work. Jerry Gay |
Post# 563337 , Reply# 36   12/14/2011 at 22:17 (4,513 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 563352 , Reply# 37   12/15/2011 at 01:15 (4,513 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 563355 , Reply# 38   12/15/2011 at 02:24 (4,513 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 563391 , Reply# 40   12/15/2011 at 10:27 (4,513 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 563392 , Reply# 41   12/15/2011 at 10:38 (4,513 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I see that it is a 3 Cycle machine. I can identify 1)Regular 2)?? 3)Soak. What is the missing Cycle? I'll post some soon, Easy started out as a Beam machine, then in '59 they designed their own direct drive transmission called the "Velvapower". They made these until 1966 when Hotpoint started producing the Easy line.
This machine is the rare "Velvapower" type. |
Post# 563393 , Reply# 42   12/15/2011 at 10:48 (4,513 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 563397 , Reply# 43   12/15/2011 at 11:26 (4,513 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 563398 , Reply# 44   12/15/2011 at 11:35 (4,513 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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No overflow rinse but it has a long strong spray rinse and its NOT a time fill machine. Water overflows into the outer tub when the tub is full and trips a water sensor to start agitation. Since the machine does not pump out during agitation this design cannot support an overflow rinse.
Pete you can get 10 full minutes of wash by setting the dial at the beginning of the Regular cycle. |
Post# 563400 , Reply# 45   12/15/2011 at 11:38 (4,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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it spins for 2 minutes before the sprays start, and then it goes right to the rise fill, kinda like a 1-18. And Boy! that Fine cycle is only 10 minutes. Interesting chart.
Malcom & Pete if you look at the pics of the older machine linked in Robert's post--click on "that Machine" in post #19-- the circulation is present during the rinse, but no overflow, unless my perception is off. |
Post# 563401 , Reply# 46   12/15/2011 at 11:53 (4,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 563402 , Reply# 47   12/15/2011 at 12:02 (4,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 563415 , Reply# 48   12/15/2011 at 14:00 (4,513 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)   |   | |
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Great addition, Robert! That seller in California sounds like a real asshole! I'm looking forward to seeing it in action. |
Post# 563471 , Reply# 50   12/15/2011 at 23:02 (4,512 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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As promised earlier a few more pictures. Larry at Modern has a NOS Easy motor coupler and its on it way to me so I can make the machine stock again. I will do a video when I get a spare moment.
This machine came with a slurp up style filter, but its little ineffective self is going to mainly sit on the shelf and look pretty, lol... |
Post# 563472 , Reply# 51   12/15/2011 at 23:04 (4,512 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 563476 , Reply# 54   12/15/2011 at 23:08 (4,512 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 563478 , Reply# 55   12/15/2011 at 23:10 (4,512 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 563484 , Reply# 56   12/16/2011 at 00:10 (4,512 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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what is the aproximate stroke and OPM of this '60s easy? Thanks for the mechanism pic-i was really wondering what it was like:) |
Post# 563489 , Reply# 57   12/16/2011 at 01:18 (4,512 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Fantastic Find Robert! It is beautiful! Does anyone know what the top of the line Easy looked like for this model year? Glad you are having such a great early Christmas so far! Brent |
Post# 563514 , Reply# 58   12/16/2011 at 07:03 (4,512 days old) by Westie2 ()   |   | |
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What a nice machine. I have always liked the spiralator on the Easy's. |
Post# 563517 , Reply# 59   12/16/2011 at 07:49 (4,512 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 563538 , Reply# 60   12/16/2011 at 10:26 (4,512 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Glad you got this rare machine up and running Robert, congrats!
Gregm had another Easy automatic, and I think it was another 1962 model with the "pull the ring" timer. It too had some sort of problem, motor or pump, I cannot recall. Does anyone know what became of the machine Gregm had, after he broke up his collection? Hopefully someone has it somewhere. I remember it was a nice looking machine. |
Post# 563539 , Reply# 61   12/16/2011 at 10:33 (4,512 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 563544 , Reply# 62   12/16/2011 at 10:44 (4,512 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Love it when synchronicity, serendipity, telepathy.......or whatever the hell that is.......happens.
Here's the story: Nice to see you.
Did a double post below and removed it--sticky fingers. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mickeyd's LINK |
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Post# 563549 , Reply# 64   12/16/2011 at 11:47 (4,512 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 564046 , Reply# 65   12/19/2011 at 07:05 (4,509 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 565657 , Reply# 66   12/28/2011 at 22:59 (4,499 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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As promised here is a video of the Easy showing the some of the inital fill, part of the wash and the entire 3 min rinse spin and spin rinse.
The video quality is just fair as I found it really hard to get the lighting right with a mirror chrome agitator cap and black agitator. Not to mention our hot water is super hot so its really steamy. Like our brand new sheets, lol? |
Post# 565662 , Reply# 67   12/28/2011 at 23:15 (4,499 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Robert, it is a keeper, no lollygagging either, the Easy goes about it's business quickly. The new sheets are great. Thanx for the vid. alr2903
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Post# 565664 , Reply# 68   12/28/2011 at 23:42 (4,499 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 565700 , Reply# 71   12/29/2011 at 01:51 (4,499 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 565708 , Reply# 72   12/29/2011 at 05:08 (4,499 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 565711 , Reply# 73   12/29/2011 at 05:32 (4,499 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 565721 , Reply# 74   12/29/2011 at 06:34 (4,499 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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I wonder if the KN-WP DD machines would have been better if they used the Roto-Swirl in them?Seems to me the Ramp agitator is firm and gentle-rather than the Dual action style agitators.do like the action of the ramps-the Suck down on one stroke-than the push up on the other. |
Post# 565757 , Reply# 75   12/29/2011 at 09:45 (4,499 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 565760 , Reply# 76   12/29/2011 at 09:58 (4,499 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL)   |   | |
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Post# 565765 , Reply# 77   12/29/2011 at 10:15 (4,499 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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How do you rate this machine in your lineup?? above the GE etc..
Which GE Mike, the early AW6 models, no that still is a better performer, the early V12 machines I would say this would be about the same. is the programme sequence, wash, spin drain, spray rinse & then 1 deep rinse & final spin?? Exactly Mike. My EASY has the 8 spray rinses. When did they start with the 8?? Geoff they didn't, all bottom of the line machines have a three minute first spin with the last minute preforming a spray rinse. All machines above the BOL machine have a 4 minute first spin, with 8 five seconds intermittent spray rinses. |
Post# 565774 , Reply# 78   12/29/2011 at 11:51 (4,499 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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the BOL gives you a full minute while the higher ups only a measly 40 seconds. ;-) Until today, I'd have bet the farm that the Maytag full minute spray, directly on the clothes and into--not out of-- the tub has been the best in the land, over the long haul, excluding the briefly appearing 1-18. But the BOL Easy's uninterrupted spray kicks everybody's butt, hands down, in my humble opinion. |
Post# 565775 , Reply# 79   12/29/2011 at 11:54 (4,499 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 565852 , Reply# 80   12/29/2011 at 20:06 (4,499 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 565869 , Reply# 81   12/29/2011 at 21:33 (4,499 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 565874 , Reply# 82   12/29/2011 at 22:08 (4,498 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 565879 , Reply# 83   12/29/2011 at 22:40 (4,498 days old) by westie2 ()   |   | |
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That spin spray reminds me of the Easy twin tub and the spray rinse it did/does. Do the clothes after the final spin come out as dry as they do from the twin tub?
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Post# 565880 , Reply# 84   12/29/2011 at 22:43 (4,498 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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The Easy is wonderfully quiet, quite different than my other Easy. I thought I better check the oil level and quality in the transmission. It has both a separate access oil drain and oil fill plugs. There is suppose to be 52oz of oil in the Velvapower transmission. It turns out the '64 had only 6oz left and I then went and checked my earlier louder '63 Easy. There was not a drop of oil left in earlier Easy. Certainly explains why its so much louder. So I filled both with fresh oil. The '64 Easy is amazingly quiet now, as quiet as a properly tuned Unimatic or Pulsamatic. The louder '62 Easy is quieter now, but running all those years without oil definitely took its toll.
And by way, here is the spec sheet for the '64 Easy... Check out the spin speed!!! Not bad. |
Post# 565887 , Reply# 85   12/30/2011 at 00:00 (4,498 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 565911 , Reply# 86   12/30/2011 at 06:31 (4,498 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 565912 , Reply# 87   12/30/2011 at 06:35 (4,498 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 565919 , Reply# 88   12/30/2011 at 07:24 (4,498 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I am glad you got this machine running properly, can't wait to see it in action sometime. This is another machine that I never got to work on or even ever see running. In the early years I did throw a WH verison and an Easy away.
And remember all you EVP owners CHECK YOU OIL every 5 years of use or if your machine sounds louder than usual LOL. |
Post# 565938 , Reply# 89   12/30/2011 at 11:13 (4,498 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 566018 , Reply# 90   12/30/2011 at 20:56 (4,498 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 566021 , Reply# 91   12/30/2011 at 21:54 (4,498 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 566023 , Reply# 92   12/30/2011 at 22:08 (4,497 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)   |   | |
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Love those Easy machines. I have an Easy spindrier from around 1964 I would think? Does the spindrier machines require oil too, that would be the same that the automatics did of that period? Thanks, Gary |
Post# 566263 , Reply# 93   1/1/2012 at 10:50 (4,496 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)   |   | |
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Thanks for the video, Robert. A really fun machine. And I love your new sheets! I've always had a penchant for polka dots. As Alice Faye said in the 1943 Technicolor musical, "the polka is passe but the dot is here to stay!" |
Post# 567615 , Reply# 94   1/7/2012 at 11:55 (4,490 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL)   |   | |
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Mine is still sitting in the garage because I'm afraid to use it. Parts are so scarce and couplers are so un-available. When I move to my big house in Wallingford I may very well give it to an AW.org member. I love this machine dearly but my new laundry room can only hold 3. My Whirlpool Gold, Kitchen Aid Superba, and my Maytag A207. I'm giving my Whirlpool LFA-5800 to my neighbor, and the EASY is the only one left. I'll let you all know when my EASY goes up for grabs. I want it to go to a loving home :) For free!!!
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Post# 567957 , Reply# 95   1/8/2012 at 20:45 (4,489 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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