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KitchenAid KD-4P toploader in NNJ
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Post# 569029   1/14/2012 at 16:48 (4,485 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        

Looks nice for $75.00

The ad says it is from 1963...



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Post# 569657 , Reply# 1   1/17/2012 at 09:38 (4,482 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Has anyone...

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Looked at this ?

I've never saw this style machine with the "Big Blue" Wash Arm. I've always seen the Hydro Sweep. I wonder if the pump system is the same as the KD2-P ?


Post# 569668 , Reply# 2   1/17/2012 at 10:49 (4,482 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
BIG BLUE CAST-IRON WASH ARM

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Yes all home style KA DWs used a cast-iron wash arm well into 1963 at which time they were all changed to the well known four way Hydro-sweep arm and an all new motor and pump design.


Post# 569674 , Reply# 3   1/17/2012 at 11:35 (4,482 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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OMG!  I would love to have that machine!!  Is it a vari-cycle model??


Post# 569687 , Reply# 4   1/17/2012 at 12:24 (4,482 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Wow, clean KA, and certainly a model that doesn't show up everyday. The KD2-P seems to be much more common than this single year KD4-P. The styling was carried over to the KD5-P, with the revised 15 series motor/pump assembly and Hydro-Sweep wash arm.

Worth picking up!


Post# 569721 , Reply# 5   1/17/2012 at 17:12 (4,482 days old) by mikepaquette ()        
Some one Grab this one

My personal choice is a GE Mobile Maid Bowtie impeller BUT this would have to be my second choice. Just my opinion, Great price. Mike

Post# 570006 , Reply# 6   1/19/2012 at 20:02 (4,479 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
OK

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Martin, BrianL Mr. Eric ,

Can anyone in NJ pick up this beauty for me ? I don't need it but I want it.

I willl e-mail the seller and will pick it up within 2 weeks. Of course there will be some compensation.


Post# 570008 , Reply# 7   1/19/2012 at 20:20 (4,479 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
I just E-mailed the seller. Any help would be appreciated

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Any of the NJ guys , contact me for other stuff I have. Thanks

Post# 570108 , Reply# 8   1/20/2012 at 06:13 (4,479 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The nice thing about this model was that it had a detergent dispenser so it was able to have a prerinse before the wash so it gave much better washing results. In fact, I think the timer was like the 15 series with two rinses (or a prewash and a rinse) before the wash and two after.

Post# 570161 , Reply# 9   1/20/2012 at 10:46 (4,479 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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Ed - let me know if you hear back from them.  I'll see what I can do.


Post# 570174 , Reply# 10   1/20/2012 at 12:49 (4,479 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        

I remember this machine fondly. My aunt had this machine in her summer home where we lived. I remember watching her load it & then just standing there listening to it wash. I was mesmerized!! Tom is correct, the cycle sequence is PW, R, W, R, R, Dry. It also has a cycle selector for Full Cycle or Rinse & Hold. Very powerful machine; I think it actually holds more dishes than the KD-14 built-in series.

Cool machine! Hopefully you'll get it! :)


Post# 570245 , Reply# 11   1/20/2012 at 22:57 (4,478 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Alan, While this is a different tank than my KD2P, the KD2P holds a lot more than the KDS14. It is much taller inside and the removable sections of the upper rack add greatly to the loading flexibility. We used the last KA top-load portable in my mom's retirement apt. and it did not have the height inside of the KD2P.

Post# 570796 , Reply# 12   1/23/2012 at 18:57 (4,475 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
I'm working on this.

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I think I'll be making a trip to NJ fast !!!

This machine seems too good to pass up.


Post# 570797 , Reply# 13   1/23/2012 at 18:58 (4,475 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
I'm....

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I'm such a sucker for a Older Portable KitchenAid.

Post# 572211 , Reply# 14   1/29/2012 at 17:40 (4,469 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)        
comes with the manual

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I love it. If someone gets this, please scan the "operating instructions" for us.


Post# 572247 , Reply# 15   1/29/2012 at 20:09 (4,469 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Operating instructions

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Post# 572276 , Reply# 39   1/29/2012 at 20:28 (4,469 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Holy Crap !!!

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What a Scan .  Thanks.  The Exact same machine I just realized I don't need.  (But Man,,, I still want it.)


Post# 572289 , Reply# 40   1/29/2012 at 21:19 (4,469 days old) by dishwasherfan (Phoenix, AZ)        

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I'm in love...

Post# 572474 , Reply# 41   1/30/2012 at 17:10 (4,469 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
All Those Changes of Water And A Built In Heater

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So why the demand per the user's manual for incoming hot water to be 140F to 160F? What was the target temperature for the washes? 180F?

Looks like a fun machine but would miss being able to use the "top" of a portable d/w as a counter for say a toaster oven or something you don't want to keep having to shift in order to load/unload the unit.

Still quite an interesting machine.


Post# 572485 , Reply# 42   1/30/2012 at 18:44 (4,468 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

No, the timer had no thermal hold, but in portables, the heating element for the dry cycle was exposed after the KD2P so why not put it to some use heating water. The heater did little more than prevent the wash water from cooling down too much during the wash cycle. Very hot water used to be mandated by all dishwasher manufacturers and instructions were to run water to the sink until it reached that temperature. The other night I measured the hot water going into the KDS18 at just under 150F (the water heater was obviously firing) and measured the drain water's temperature at just under 150F and that was with insulation we had applied to the tank and the 700 watt heater operating during the 7 or 8 minute main wash so it probably cannot be said to make the water that much hotter; it just maintains the temperature. Don't forget that unlike the KD2P, which had a double wall tank, these were single wall tanks with lots of heat loss.

Post# 572495 , Reply# 43   1/30/2012 at 18:59 (4,468 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
OIC

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Thank you.

One supposes with a good TOL enzyme detergent results would be fine with 120F or 130F water. That or increase detergent to deal with very greasy/oily dish loads.

Interesting machine but still prefer my dishwashers to have a "macerator" and no filters to clean. Oh and then there is the fact that a very hot wash reduces the need for heated drying. Well long as one uses a good rinse aid that is.

During the cooler months of the year when the boilers are also producing steam for heating, hot water out of the taps can reach 140F or so, but once warm weather comes and the heating system is switched off things go back to 120F. This is fine for our Kenmore (built by Frigidare) 18" portable as it has decent heater and the cycle is dealyed long enough to heat "cold" water of that temp to over 140F.


Post# 572637 , Reply# 44   1/31/2012 at 09:28 (4,468 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

And, if one wash is not long enough to heat the water, you can always turn the dial back to repeat the wash to get hotter water. Unfortunately, the older dishwashers, with the exception of the Westinghouse Roll Outs, did not have long enough wash periods for enzyme detergents to do their work. The Westinghouse Roll Outs had a thermal hold to 140F and would wash for 45 to 50 minutes to heat the load to 140F. They had no prerinse, just a warm-up spray before the wash so wash times were generally long.


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