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Post# 572243   1/29/2012 at 19:59 (4,469 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        

Recently I bought (over the internet!) an Asko W6884eco to replace my hated, and dying, Whirlpool Duets.

Some initial thoughts:

I had a cursing fit 'cause there was an issue with the machine requiring a motherboard change. However it was fully covered.

There is a 3 year full parts and labor warranty included, which was and is impressive.

The machines are 8kg machines.

As part of the test to make sure the new mother board is working, it's been in use pretty much all this weekend except for 8 hours of sleep time. Have done cycles from 40C to 90C in temperature, woolens to whites.

The cleaning power is extraordinary. My yellowing comforter is now white again. Some grubby greasy jeans are now merely worn.

The machine has up to 7 rinses to make sure detergent is gone, high water option (great for comforters), and a cold pre-wash option for a profile wash.

All in all the engineering is excellent.

The 'eco' designation means that it can take hot and cold water on inlet. My previous Askos were cold fill only, and the machine heated the water. I have tried it both ways and find the higher temperature (60C and above) cycles are 20 minutes shorter. My tankless water heater is right next to the machine so when it calls for hot water it gets it.






Post# 572331 , Reply# 1   1/30/2012 at 03:46 (4,469 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Actually, unless you have solar collectors and/or heat pumps for hot water, it's more green to have the machine to heat its own water as there will be less energy waste, plus the cycles, lasting more will clean better and you can have a true profile wash in all of them!

Anyway I'm so glad that you're enjoying your machine :) They also look very stylish!


Post# 572363 , Reply# 2   1/30/2012 at 10:05 (4,469 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        
I do go back and forth...

...for these reasons.

My water heater is an instant water heater that runs on gas. Which is why I was using the hot water inlet.

I had forgotten how CLEAN these machines clean. It's nice to have whites ... that are white again.


Post# 572383 , Reply# 3   1/30/2012 at 11:44 (4,468 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
It's nice to have whites ... that are white again.

Welcome to the world of European style self heating front loaders :)

Post# 572465 , Reply# 4   1/30/2012 at 16:43 (4,468 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Pix

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Love to see some pix of your machine.

Malcolm


Post# 572535 , Reply# 5   1/30/2012 at 22:05 (4,468 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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I know the machines are a bit smaller than most other FLs on the market. Do you feel the size is an issue? Is there anything you can't wash because of it?

Post# 572626 , Reply# 6   1/31/2012 at 08:45 (4,468 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        
Yes, some things.

Yes, there are some things I cannot wash. My Wiggy's sleeping bag (wiggys.com/category.cfmQUESTIONMA... ) was a stretch even in the Duet. If I had a King sized polyester comforter I don't think it'll fit.

Everything else seems fine.

I've actually had Askos before; the first one died a terrible death from a power surge, and I had to sell the second one when I moved west. I bought the Duet thinking that, being German, it would have a good internal heater and wash well. After long experimentation I discovered that a) the heater only kicked in on cycles where 'heavy soil' was detected and b) the engineering for the US market is very different because Americans don't want laundry to take 2 hours. Either you need a lot of water, or you need more time. Nothing is free.

This machine can easily fit several pairs of jeans, many shirts, and other stuff in one load. The tub volume is ~2.2 ft^3 I think. It is smaller than other machines BUT you can load it tighter.

The interesting thing about Askos for the US market: The washer and dryer both take 220, 15 amps. American homes are equipped with 30A 220V outlets for dryers (if they have an electric dryer connection). Therefore with this machine, the washer plugs into the back of the dryer, and the dryer into the wall.

It has a 2000w internal heater.

There is an error in the specs on the askousa.com website: the max temperature is NOT 95C/205F, but 90C/193F. No biggie really, at my altitude water boils at 203F so I'd not want to use 95 here anyway.

It has the ability to have a high water wash, and up to 7 rinses. You can have a cold prewash and up to (I think) 3 hours of soak as well.

It also will spin at 1800rpm.

The wool setting works very well - no more double extra rinses to wash the soap flakes out of the clothing, it heats at 30C or 40C for woolens (86F or 104F), and spins at 800 rpm.

One thing it LACKS is a rubber boot that will mildew, though we leave the machine door open slightly when not in use anyway. You close the door on the drum, and the drum has the ability to move inside the cabinet as it washes and spins.

This spin is significantly quieter than my previous Askos; they sounded like jet engines taking off.

I've attached a URL link from the askousa.com website.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Hunter's LINK


Post# 572674 , Reply# 7   1/31/2012 at 12:44 (4,467 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
No Rubber Boot

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Is pretty common for commercial/laundromat front loaders, indeed one would say is the standar. IIRC some Miele units (Little Giant?) lack the rubber boot as well.

Post# 572680 , Reply# 8   1/31/2012 at 13:02 (4,467 days old) by wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)        
Whites that are white....

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I have two askos .. one is a commercial one for the catering company and one in the house ... I would have to say for immune suppressed individuals, it has probably contributed to my longevity. It actual cleans the clothes.   I could never go back to these modern machines of today.  The asko for the catering company lives outside here in the south and has been going strong since 2003.  Give me a vintage or and Asko    Service Sucks here in the south but let me tell you they are built like tanks ... 

 

Philippe


Post# 572717 , Reply# 9   1/31/2012 at 17:47 (4,467 days old) by bertrum ()        

Superb choice of machine!.
Arguably the best front loading washing machine available.
Cant speak highly enough of this machine!

* * * * *


Post# 572792 , Reply# 10   2/1/2012 at 02:32 (4,467 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

The Asko W6903 was my second choice when it came to buying a machine, this is a top of the line model, the W6884 is the next model down from that.

The reason why I didn't buy them was because I didn't like how I'd have to buy the dryer at the same time I'd buy the washer, or that the washer can't be used without the dryer due to its 220 volt requirement. I found machines for the same price which had a larger tub capacity.

These are really expensive machines in Canada. I wasn't prepared to drop nearly $4k on a set of them.

The Miele W4842 and its matching dryer were my third choice, but I was still looking at a $4k price range for a set of one year old demo models! (ie. They were even more expensive than the Asko ones!)

This is a great machine you have.


Post# 573465 , Reply# 11   2/4/2012 at 01:15 (4,464 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Quote: The washer can't be used without the dryer due to its 220 volt requirement.

moot points now but....

HHHMMMM Just my opinions...Some options:

1- The plug of the washer can be changed to fit into a standard North-American dryer circuit. You just won't be able to use your washer and North-American Dryer at the same time. The 30a dryer circuit (for a washer) is excessive, but not believed to be dangerous.

2- Your dedicated washer circuit, as it currently exists, (dedicated meaning there is nothing else on that circuit) can easily be converted to an air-conditioner type 15a or 20a, 220v circuit. 220v air-conditioning circuits don't have a neutral wire, and as such can't provide 110v in the washer. Methinks such a Euro-washer would not need any 110v. One must check.......

And before an engineer chimes in, we all already know that it is actually 120v and 240v in this country. 110v/220v is just a "convention" and point of reference.


Post# 573470 , Reply# 12   2/4/2012 at 02:44 (4,464 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

I'm sure what Toggleswitch said is correct!

Anyway, can we see what kind of plug is fitted on this washer?


Post# 573504 , Reply# 13   2/4/2012 at 09:36 (4,464 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very impressive machine. I've not kept up with the Asko offerings and changes since that Asian-built super-sized machine they had a for a while. Those models appear to be gone from their offerings now, just as well as the fit & finish on those didn't seem up to the standards of their other European models.

I had a set of Askos, bought at a Sally-Ann appliance auction and I used those for several months after replacing a broken shock absorber before giving them to a friend who used them almost two years. I was also very impressed with the cleaning ability, the boil washes were outstanding and I do miss that option now and then.

Do you have the matching dryer as well, Hunter? What are your thoughts on it? Of course, being used to the cavernous U.S. dryers, the Asko I had was small even for it's matching washer, somewhat noisy and with the obvious power limitations, somewhat slow. With the washer's extraction ability and inherently longer cycle times , the dryer could easily keep up with the washer and it seemed very accurate but the smaller drum made wrinkling a problem if you didn't get the clothes out very soon after it finished.



Post# 573528 , Reply# 14   2/4/2012 at 12:28 (4,463 days old) by AZREOSpecialist ()        

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but the W6884ECO is only a 2.44 cuft IEC capacity. There is absolutely no way this is an 8kg machine. 5-6 kg yes, but not 8.

Post# 573538 , Reply# 15   2/4/2012 at 13:23 (4,463 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

2,44 cubic feet is around 70 litres so indeed it can be an 8 kg machine!
In fact some other manufacturer claim (and can really do it) a capacity of 9 kg of cottons in less than that volume.


Post# 573544 , Reply# 16   2/4/2012 at 13:54 (4,463 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Askos

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Good choice, in a league of their own I say (IMHO) but I can understand how frustrating it must have been for you guys over there with the lousy service etc...saying that i`ve only needed one call in 11 years...

Hunter, my model was an initial timed fill approx 30 secs then during heating it would top up during load saturation, once that happened I would pause the machine, and then switch it back on - which resulted in another 30sec fill....great if you wanted more water on the wash in the cotton cycles with vigerous agitation....can you do this on yours??

Bertrum, can we take it from your reccommendation that your are an ISE engineer perhaps??

Cheers, Mike


Post# 573566 , Reply# 17   2/4/2012 at 17:20 (4,463 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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They look to be well engineered sturdy machines. Programming looks very flexible which is something I always like in washing machines.

The drum volume is 60litres, which is okay I guess. Considering my LG is rated at 69litres drum volume which they state as a 9kg load capacity machine.

Seeing the pics above I would love to experience using one! :)


Post# 573603 , Reply# 18   2/4/2012 at 22:22 (4,463 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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Just a style question - can the machine be operated or installed w/o the external cosmetic door panel? Or would that leave two gaping holes for the hinges? I'd prefer to see the porthole vs. having it covered up.

Post# 573629 , Reply# 19   2/5/2012 at 01:05 (4,463 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
External door

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ASKO sold various versions of this machine globally, some of which had no external door. However, if you have a model with the door it must be closed when the spin is due to start or it won't occur and opening it while the machine is spinning will cause the brake to come on and the machine to come to a screeching stop.

 

Other than that, feel free to open the outer door and watch her tumble!


Post# 573642 , Reply# 20   2/5/2012 at 03:54 (4,463 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Door Brake

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Hi Chris, you can use these with the "Door Down" even the spin, there`s no cable brake attached to the door, the worst that would happen was if the load was unbalanced and vibration caused the drop down door to move and slowly rise up....at washins the lads just dropped a tea towel on the door edge and would sit there for the duration...right Lavamat jon...LOl

Post# 573652 , Reply# 21   2/5/2012 at 05:44 (4,463 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Ok...seems the folks from Automatic Washer.org managed to tell ASKO of our requirements then Cool


Post# 573697 , Reply# 22   2/5/2012 at 12:21 (4,462 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
ISE.........

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Hey Guys


This is the ISE Appliances version of the Eco....

Seamus


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Post# 573698 , Reply# 23   2/5/2012 at 12:24 (4,462 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
And the standard cold fill version......

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Seriously debating if I should drop £900 on one!




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Post# 573730 , Reply# 24   2/5/2012 at 15:09 (4,462 days old) by AZREOSpecialist ()        

Again, there is no way you can fit 8 kg of laundry into this small 2.4 IEC capacity regardless of what the manufacturer says - it's a pipe dream. It's physically impossible unless you are wrapping bricks in your laundry. The standard rule of thumb is 1 kg laundry capacity per 10 liters of drum volume. A 60 liter drum will take 6 kg, an 80 liter drum 8kg, and so on. Anything else is marketing = BS.

Post# 573740 , Reply# 25   2/5/2012 at 15:48 (4,462 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        
I'm seeing some odd behavior.

The machine DOES clean well. But I'm seeing some odd behavior that I think might be a hardware bug.

1. Sometimes the machine 'hangs' while pumping and just .. pumps. Until you shut it off.

2. Sometimes the machine does not open the door at end of cycle. Manually trying to open the door does not work (using the 'open door' button I mean).

I had a tech out and he replaced the circuit board. The problem went away. BUT then I realized he hadn't programmed the board for this machine. When he came back and did so, sometimes the problems reoccur.

I'm wondering if it is a program bug.

Having said that it STILL cleans extremely well!

Any ideas what could be it?

As for capacity: My king sized thick cotton mattress pad fills up the dryer. A larger dryer WOULD be nice, but I'll put up with the slight smallness for something that cleans so clean.

IIRC the 20 amp washer plug that plugs into the back of the dryer is a standard 20 amp 220 v plug , with one vertical and one horizontal plug.

The dryer itself plugs into standard North American 220 V 30 amp dryer outlet.



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Post# 573841 , Reply# 26   2/6/2012 at 01:58 (4,462 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
ISE......

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Theres a lot of common sense here......

Seamus


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Post# 574010 , Reply# 27   2/7/2012 at 08:40 (4,461 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Congratulations Hunter!

Has ASKO moved away from the rinse sequence they used in their earlier machines of two rinses followed by spinning? I have seen it in operation and it did not rinse as well as a Miele W1986 which extracts (on cottons) very well after the wash and after each of the three rinses.

Post# 574023 , Reply# 28   2/7/2012 at 10:05 (4,461 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        
No,

They still seem to do that.

I always set for an extra 3 rinses, due to wife's allergies to detergents.


Post# 574043 , Reply# 29   2/7/2012 at 11:43 (4,460 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        

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Post# 574078 , Reply# 30   2/7/2012 at 14:21 (4,460 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
@AZREOSpecialist

No, Back in the olden days it was correct your theory that 10liters for ever 1KG this is so that within the wash time you got a clean result.
However nowadays manufacturers can add an extra 1KG or 1.5KG to the 60l drum for instance, so washing 7.5KG. this is because as the future has moved on, more laws have came in that heaters must be energy efficient and all machines must be A wash performance etc, so Manufacturers increase the rated capacity and extend the wash time, they increase spin lengths and use different rinsing techniques.
Plus in a Bosch Logixx 8 you can fit an 8KG load of t-shirts (40) in the drum, and still have slight movement between (thats 65l). The duration of the wash is quite long at 2:20 but at the end the machine has washed and rinsed pretty well, much better in fact than old machines which only hold less washing.
In fact manufacturers also realised people always overloaded their machines - in fact I quite regularly stuff 8KG in my Hotpoint WM31 - it fits, machine motor copes, just very little movement - manufacturers decided that as people overload, we'll increase the capacity in the same size drum, and then use different motor, that way less breakdown (from motor) that's why some come with 10 year guarantees to try sell the machine.
Only washer fans know that they aren't using stated capacity drums, but general public don't care, so long as it cleans, has a 40 wash and has a short programme/option. Infact no-one has ever written on review size, the clothes don't all fit in the drum, because no one would care if that was the case.
I agree that 11KG cant fit in a 71l drum (like Hotpoint claim) or 12kG fits in a 74l drum (like Samsung Claim) - they are just marketing campaigns, but smaller capacity is correct.

Thats my opinion, but I believe you older* people that think 10l in 1Kg need to move on a little, no manufacturer (Not even Miele) gives 10 litres into 1KG on a home machine.

*No offence to be taken, and completely my own judgement, modern technology is here now, not a timer dial that clicks as it moves.


Post# 574094 , Reply# 31   2/7/2012 at 16:32 (4,460 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Older Machines And Rinses

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Many older European/UK front loaders had one, two or even three (as my Miele) deep rinses before spinning for two main reasons.

The first was to make sure cotton and linen fibers were cool enough from the routine "boil" wash temps >180F before being spun in order to prevent creasing. Other reason was to make sure much of the detergent/soap was rinsed away to prevent excess froth from choking the pump (suds lock).

Of course these machines were mainly mechanical timer controlled and later electronic but still no where near as complex as today's washers.

Modern front loaders can be made to sense internal temps as to determine if textiles need "cooling" rinses before being spun. Then there is of course as boil washing becomes less and less the norm all that cooling down isn't required.

However the main change has been with the detergents themselves which have changed. The best detergents on the other side of the pond create nil to no suds and rinse far cleaner that the "low" sudsing stuff of the past which still could create enough suds to cause problems.

Modern front loaders for domestic use have also taken a page from commercial gravity drain units where the valves are open but the pump shuts off for a short time. This allows the water/froth to "dump" without the possible harm of suds lock and or machine having to slow down/abort spins.



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