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Post# 92305   11/4/2005 at 18:43 (6,745 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        

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Take a spin through my tear-apart photos of my 1961 Kenmore to see how bad "bad" can be :-)

It was a great learning experience, and my spray-painting technique has improved :-) I wouldn't have traded it for anything.

Plus, I got to meet a lot of great people, get help from and spend some fun time with some really good friends, and prove that I could tear something all apart and then get it all back together.

(The world's heaviest thousand-piece puzzle.)

Thank you all for your help. I promised pics, and here's most of them.

BTW, I haven't forgotten about videotaping the Kelvinator, but I have no digital video camera at my disposal. I should be able to use Nate and Melissa's iSight, though, so I'll work on that. I appreciate your patience :-)

--Nate


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Post# 92306 , Reply# 1   11/4/2005 at 18:44 (6,745 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
...and the finished results...

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...can be seen here.

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Post# 92309 , Reply# 2   11/4/2005 at 19:49 (6,745 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Wow

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That is some JOB Nate! I don't know if I would have gone that far but it IS rewarding no?

Great progression shots and the comments are hilarious esp the "my go away look n0.2!"


Nice waterfall filtration,and I must say if everybody knew just how much those center posts rusted I think there would have been fewer kenmores sold.
I am working on mine right now and it is gross! Just think of your whitest whites in that bath!



Post# 92310 , Reply# 3   11/4/2005 at 19:53 (6,745 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
An angel gets her wings!

Another beautiful Kenmore saved and restored back to life! YAY!!!!!!!!

Post# 92312 , Reply# 4   11/4/2005 at 20:21 (6,745 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The tech at the Whirlpool dealer where I worked (the owner's son) made a remark about having a stainless steel centerpost, threaded for screwing into the baseplate.

Post# 92314 , Reply# 5   11/4/2005 at 20:26 (6,745 days old) by drmitch ()        

A great storyboard! Thanks for sharing the great restoration!

Post# 92336 , Reply# 6   11/4/2005 at 23:05 (6,744 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
awesome work

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Great job! Beautiful restoration. Thank you for sharing!

Post# 92345 , Reply# 7   11/5/2005 at 00:56 (6,744 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Thanks, everyone, for the kind words :-)

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Thank you all very much :-). Yes, Jon, I completely concur about the centerposts--blecch! No wonder the spin was crunchy on this machine when we got it.

Even though it didn't make it, it was a great learning experience, and I have some really great tools to apply to future restorations.


Post# 92346 , Reply# 8   11/5/2005 at 00:58 (6,744 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Really?

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Glenn, did they really have a SS replacement? I wouldn't be surprised. Personally, I think that would have been the smart way to go from the get-go, but live and learn (for Whirlpool), right? :-|

Post# 92348 , Reply# 9   11/5/2005 at 01:07 (6,744 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Nate, I really appreciate you taking me down the brief memory lane of you attempting to restore theis obstant beast. I look at all that hard work, blood, seat, & tears and I get misty-eyed thinking about it and the final result. I love the expressions on your two "you can now leave" pix and will paining the panel(s) for the livingroom. BTW, have we seen a pic of the artistic gallery taht is now contained within? Look forward to seeing you next spring. GRR Hugz to ya both. Bob

Post# 92350 , Reply# 10   11/5/2005 at 01:11 (6,744 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Hi Bob! :-)

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It was my pleasure!

LOL--I'll take some pics of the artistic stuff so you can see what they ended up being :-)

I'll be looking forward to seeing you in the spring! Big hugs to you!! :-)

--Nate (and Will)


Post# 92351 , Reply# 11   11/5/2005 at 01:20 (6,744 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
The epilogue

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"So," you may ask, "what the heck happened? Why all that to toss it?"

Several reasons. First was its intrinsic desire to not live. Ever had one of those machines? You'll remember it and differentiate it from the ones that are grateful for attention.

Second, the bearings were toast, and the insides looked like someone had carved the Zorro "Z" in them, over and over. It was obvious that this machine had a hard and poorly cared-for life, and that (and the tub guard--good Lord!) was a big sign.

Third, the centerpost had disintegrated. What I didn't catalogue for posterity was making--literally--a "sleeve" of RTV silicone from top to bottom of the centerpost, because it was so thin that it had many pinholes in it. Yikes.

Fourth, the tranny never recovered well from the rebuild. I didn't want to silicone it, because I was afraid I'd need to get back in it, and I didn't want a bunch of scraping to hurt the spots where the tranny sealed, but the crapola gasket that Sears has for it now did not seal as well as the original cork. It peed so much oil on the floor that Exxon offered to send a cleanup crew.

Finally, the clutch assembly between the spin pulley and whatever-it-meets-up-with-to-drive-the-basket was toast. That's what was causing it to not spin--and the problem went from a lethargic spin to just not spinning at all. We probably would have noticed that if the machine was in suitable shape for initial testing when we got it, but since I already owned it, it wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Moral of the story? Hard to say. Obviously if I hear crunchies in a basket in the future, I'll pass a machine up. But the underside of the machine, as you can see from the pics, was very pristine, so it was a tough judge of character, to be sure.

Like I said, I'm just glad to have had the experience and learned so much, and also had such great friends who helped out (Ross, Roger, Nate, Melissa, and also profound thanks to Steve R. [Gyrafoam] and Greg [gansky] for the wonderful lint filter and agitator.)

--Nate

P.S. -- Wanna know something else horrific? I completely repainted the inside of the cabinet, too.

ARGH! :-)


Post# 92361 , Reply# 12   11/5/2005 at 04:39 (6,744 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Hey Nate,

I'm sorry that things didn't work out with this machine. I'm impressed with all you did. Let's hope the washer gods have a MIB for you in store. You deserve it!!


Post# 92369 , Reply# 13   11/5/2005 at 07:53 (6,744 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Nevermind on that angel

The poor dear was so elated that today she would recieve her wings. But as it turned out, no washer, no wings :-( Oh well, it was an excellent try at saving a washer. You saved the agitator, lint filter and controll panel I hope.

Post# 92374 , Reply# 14   11/5/2005 at 08:43 (6,744 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Hey Nate, how nice to see your work! Great job! I remember when you all found this machine in Phoenix. Love all those pics of the appliance yard. Looked at all of them again, but more specifically your New Machine!

Steve


Post# 92384 , Reply# 15   11/5/2005 at 11:55 (6,744 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Nate, there was no stainless centerpost far as I know. It was just Ted musing and wishing on the situation, an idea for a different design with a threaded baseplate for easily replacing the centerpost.

Post# 92392 , Reply# 16   11/5/2005 at 14:07 (6,744 days old) by tlee618 ()        

You sure gave it a great try Nate!! Sorry it didn't make it but like you said, you really learned a lot. I fear that many of the machines up there in the Phoenix yard will meet the same fate. Terry

Post# 92422 , Reply# 17   11/5/2005 at 21:40 (6,744 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Nate-


HMMMM.


Talented, mechanical, charming, handsome and witty. You had better warn Will to keep you close or you will certainly be snatched up.


*WINK*


Post# 92431 , Reply# 18   11/6/2005 at 00:16 (6,743 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Congrats, Nate! I grew up with a 1960 KM Model 80 featuring a preggers Roto Swirl and waterfall lint filter. The damn thing lasted so long (I finally got rid of it in 1984 after my Mom died) I thought I'd never want to see another KM again. Needless to say, I wish I had it back, now! They were cool machines. Get ready for a lot of suds-locking first spins.

Post# 92545 , Reply# 19   11/6/2005 at 15:43 (6,743 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Nate, those are great pictures! Thanks for sharing the restoration process, sorry that it didn't work out this time, but as you said the experience was worth it. I've been there too.

Post# 92673 , Reply# 20   11/7/2005 at 13:41 (6,742 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Thanks everyone

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:-) You guys are great!

Thanks, Louis :-D We can always keep hoping and looking!

Jason--Yes, I saved an array of bits and pieces from that machine, including the pump, should anyone need one.

Terry--Thanks very much :-D Yes, I agree--being out in the desert sun, and perennially full of water--will be the death of many a machine out there. But it is still a neat visit :-)

Frigilux--I know, I still miss the '71 Kenmore I had found and towed onto the back porch in high school :-)

Toggle--LOL I don't know if it's "mechanical" or "unafraid to tear things apart," but thanks ;-)

Robert--I know you've seen much worse--it was perusing your restoration photos that inspired and helped me so much. Thank you for all your hard work and excellent cataloguing!


Post# 92770 , Reply# 21   11/7/2005 at 20:07 (6,742 days old) by jamman_98 (Columbia, SC)        
Thanks for the memories

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That is the first washer I remember as a child. My Mom used to hold the lid switch down while I watched it spin. I lost my mom on October 31, 2005. Thanks for bringing back some wonderful memories.

jamman_98
Joe


Post# 92869 , Reply# 22   11/8/2005 at 10:52 (6,741 days old) by agiflow ()        

Joe,...i know i don't know you, but i am sorry for your loss..my condolences.

Pat


Post# 92887 , Reply# 23   11/8/2005 at 14:27 (6,741 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Joe, sorry to hear of your family's loss.

Post# 93337 , Reply# 24   11/10/2005 at 22:05 (6,739 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Joe-

That is undoubtedly the hardest pill in life to swallow.

She is with you always, your blood is hers, your bones are of her and your flesh is hers.

But most of all, her sprit and thougths live on through you.

Energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed in form.

May her memory be eternal. Amen.


Post# 93354 , Reply# 25   11/10/2005 at 23:42 (6,738 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        

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I'm so sorry about your mom, Joe. I'm very glad this served to bring back some good memories.

Post# 93361 , Reply# 26   11/11/2005 at 02:17 (6,738 days old) by norgeman ()        
Jamman_98

So very sorry to here about your mother. I know we have never met but we do share a love for our moms that we can never replace. Someday I will be faced with this as my mom is now in her late 70's and is blind and can't get around very well has to use a walker and wheelchair and thank God that my dad is still able to take care of her. My mom is blind from Macular degeneration which is a heredity thing and I could end up with it also. But what I really wanted to say was I lost my Grandma Francis in 1970 and still have a hard time with it as I used to spend my summers at their place in West Bingham, Pa. and I used to watch her 50's Kenmore washer and couldn't wait for wash day to roll around. But I do know this that I will someday will see her again up in heaven. She was a dear saint of a woman and God fearing christian I really miss her but God needed her more than I so be comforted and be not sad your mom I'm sure is out of pain of this old world. Will Keep you in my prayers and lift you up before the Lord. Your friend Norgeman,(Dan)

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