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Introducing the 66 Lady Kenmores |
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Post# 578851   2/27/2012 at 23:08 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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A few weeks ago, Dan (QSD_DAN) found a listing on C/L for a washer/dryer set and shared it with me. Well, after seeing them, I decided that I would bring them home. He was kind enough to pick them up and store them for me until we could meet to exchange. I am grateful that he helped me out despite the fact that two Kenmores sitting amongst his Maytags was causing a disturbance in the force... LOL!
he was kind enough to send me some pictures. Here they are together. |
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Post# 578852 , Reply# 1   2/27/2012 at 23:13 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578853 , Reply# 2   2/27/2012 at 23:16 (4,433 days old) by jimmyb (Texas Y’all)   |   | |
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Congratulations! |
Post# 578854 , Reply# 3   2/27/2012 at 23:20 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578856 , Reply# 4   2/27/2012 at 23:25 (4,433 days old) by retropia ()   |   | |
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Those coppertone Lady Kenmores are handsome, congrats! |
Post# 578857 , Reply# 5   2/27/2012 at 23:25 (4,433 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 578858 , Reply# 6   2/27/2012 at 23:25 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578859 , Reply# 7   2/27/2012 at 23:27 (4,433 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Drew, i think i see a grey ghost in between the 2 Fabulous Kenmores. alr |
Post# 578860 , Reply# 8   2/27/2012 at 23:28 (4,433 days old) by retropia ()   |   | |
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Is that a wringer washer in the window at Sears? Or is it sitting outside? |
Post# 578861 , Reply# 9   2/27/2012 at 23:30 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578863 , Reply# 10   2/27/2012 at 23:32 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578865 , Reply# 11   2/27/2012 at 23:35 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578866 , Reply# 12   2/27/2012 at 23:37 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578868 , Reply# 13   2/27/2012 at 23:39 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578869 , Reply# 14   2/27/2012 at 23:40 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578871 , Reply# 15   2/27/2012 at 23:42 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578872 , Reply# 16   2/27/2012 at 23:44 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578873 , Reply# 17   2/27/2012 at 23:47 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578875 , Reply# 18   2/27/2012 at 23:50 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578876 , Reply# 19   2/27/2012 at 23:53 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578877 , Reply# 20   2/27/2012 at 23:55 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578878 , Reply# 21   2/27/2012 at 23:57 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578879 , Reply# 22   2/27/2012 at 23:59 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578880 , Reply# 23   2/28/2012 at 00:01 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578881 , Reply# 24   2/28/2012 at 00:04 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578882 , Reply# 25   2/28/2012 at 00:05 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578883 , Reply# 26   2/28/2012 at 00:06 (4,433 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)   |   | |
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Amazing! I don't know how these could be so immaculate after all of this time. The only thing could be verrrry light use over the years. They are gorgeous. Congrats on the acquisitions and enjoy them. Good luck, James |
Post# 578884 , Reply# 27   2/28/2012 at 00:08 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 578887 , Reply# 28   2/28/2012 at 00:19 (4,433 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Right here would be where I would normally post video, but there is a slightly sour note to this symphony. Dan had a chance to triage the set at his house. The dryer worked wonderfully with the electronic sensor right on the money. The washer seemed to wash and drain but was a no spin. I found the spin tub was bound up and had burned the belt. I freed it by hand and got a spin. A NOISY spin... With Gordon's helpful advice, I removed the spin tub and found a bit of rust and pitting on the centerpost. After cleaning and brass wire brushing, HAPPILY the centerpost is quite salvageable without holes... There is absolutely ZERO rust or corrosion on the outer tub and platform. Anywhere.
She does need a belt, bearings and possible basket drive. I will know better about the basket drive once I drop the transmission. With Gordon's expert guidance, you WILL be seeing operational pictures and video shortly! After all, seeing the pictures, does the washer deserve any less? RCD |
Post# 578888 , Reply# 29   2/28/2012 at 00:32 (4,433 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Drew, Those machines are beautiful. I'm assuming they are 1966 models? I have the exact same LK's except in turquoise. I believe yours must have been used by a little old lady with very delicate clothing. No jeans with open zippers or metal buttons went banging around in that dryer, that's for sure. For that matter no denim at all since there is no telltale blue ink staining.
Congratulations! Patrick |
Post# 578890 , Reply# 30   2/28/2012 at 00:36 (4,433 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 578909 , Reply# 32   2/28/2012 at 01:50 (4,433 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 578924 , Reply# 34   2/28/2012 at 02:50 (4,433 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 578935 , Reply# 35   2/28/2012 at 06:35 (4,433 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 578945 , Reply# 36   2/28/2012 at 07:19 (4,433 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Oh, That did make me laugh on a dark day...Lol
Wonderful machines and all the better when they are ones you have been looking for and that you can meet up with like minded collectors and exchange the goodies...!!! I often wonder doing the same thing what the cars behind think when they see us trucking our new finds home..." Oh I remember that one" perhaps ... Could Sears staff have thought you where bringing the old ones to part ex for new?? would they do that in-store?? Always defied me how the Roto-Flex would work with no vanes right up the agi, but from what I`ve seen they appear to... Happy washing, Mike |
Post# 578946 , Reply# 37   2/28/2012 at 07:24 (4,433 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Congratulations Andy on a great pair for your collection. It certainly does look like the owner was not a dryer person, that dryer was lucky if it saw much more than a few hundred loads of use. On the washer you can see the staining inside the cabinet from when the original water pump failed and see the newer replacement water pump. The washer will certainly need a new spin tube, seals, agitator shaft and probably new bearings. I love rebuilding machines like this that have not been worked on by 1/2 dozen different people over the years.
A good friend of my mothers got this set in 1966 in Turquoise with the Suds-Saver and when the Sears repairman told her that the clutch was going bad at 7 years of age she bought another KM washer. I took the old LKM put a new belt on it and sent if off with my parents when they moved from Maryland to Minnesota in 1975. It ran until about 1982 when it was getting tired and I gave my Mom a new 1982 LHA5705WO Suds-Miser WP washer that is still working just fine with just a belt and water pump replacement.
It is amazing how much more reliable cars and newer appliances keep getting, many new washers today will outlast most of the 60s, 70s, 80s, washers and dryers and most will never need a repair at all to do it. |
Post# 578963 , Reply# 38   2/28/2012 at 08:57 (4,433 days old) by cphifer5115 (Jackson, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 578964 , Reply# 39   2/28/2012 at 09:01 (4,433 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 578967 , Reply# 40   2/28/2012 at 09:16 (4,433 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 578990 , Reply# 41   2/28/2012 at 11:15 (4,433 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))   |   | |
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Post# 579051 , Reply# 44   2/28/2012 at 14:30 (4,433 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Kelly,
Sears never put a straight-vane agitator in a LadyK or the like, not from the late 50s on anyway. From the later 50s until 1965, LadyKs and higher-end Kenmores had Roto-Swirls and then Super Roto-Swirls. From 1965 through 1968 (ish) Lady Kenmores had the Roto-Flex. There were some odd-ball 1966 900 models that had a Roto-Swirl, but that's as "low" with agitators as they went. From 1968/1969 until 1974, Lady Ks had the adjustable, expensive Vari-Flex agitator. For the 1974 Lady, the Penta-Swirl was used (Kenmore's then best agitator). Beginning in 1976, all Lady Ks had the Dual-Action from then until the demise of the Lady Kenmore model. Actually, looking back, I can't think of a single 29-inch Kenmore washer model that had a straight vane as standard equipment beyond the 60 series models. In fact, some 60-series and 600s from the 1960s to the 1980s had Roto-Swirls, Penta-Swirls, and Dual-Action agitators. This varies a little bit with 24-inch machines. 24-inch models had a narrower tub than the 29-inch standard capacity machine, so the comparably narrow straight vane must have been judged by Sears or WP to be the best suited agitator for that basket size. All 24-inch models had the bakelite or polypropylene straight-vane, at least that I am aware of, up until the late 1970s when the standard capacity Dual-Action (which is also more slender than the other comparable KM agitators) debuted in the highest end 24-inch machines. There were a few very highly featured 24-inch machines, so it would have seemed a little odd to have a straight-vane in them, but they did. I will say this though, the Kenmore gold plastic straight vane may not look very impressive, but this agitator MEANS BUSINESS and does a very good job. On low water levels and normal speed agitation it can splash gallons of water out of the machine, but it is not going to mess around with no-turnover laundering. Gordon |
Post# 579069 , Reply# 46   2/28/2012 at 15:59 (4,433 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Any way you cut straight vane agitators work best at turning over clothing and washing large loads, The most useless agitators ever are the ramped vane agitators, even on the Roto-Swirl it is only the three straight vanes that make it work well at all, and everyone's beloved Maytag agitators are all straight vanned. The only real improvement ever devised for oscillating agitators are the dual action models with the spiral section that turns in one direction only to turn over loads more constantly which aids cleaning and reduces clothing wear, and every leading US TL washer maker went to this superior design. |
Post# 579080 , Reply# 48   2/28/2012 at 16:39 (4,433 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 579098 , Reply# 49   2/28/2012 at 17:56 (4,433 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 579103 , Reply# 50   2/28/2012 at 18:08 (4,432 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Generally more highly educated and higher income folks were more likely to buy Kenmore's and GEs. Maytag was much more middle and lower middle class in its main customer base, just look at there advertising over the years. Growing up all my 22 aunts and uncles were college educated and fairly well off and there was not a single MT washer or dryer ever among them. I can't even remember a MT DW, although my Moms mother did have one MT wringer washer which she kept about 6 years and finely bought an automatic washer, a new 1968 KM 800. |
Post# 579131 , Reply# 52   2/28/2012 at 20:15 (4,432 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I don't have enough observations to fairly comment on who buys what appliance brand. But I do understand Kelly's feeling about Sears ("In my context poor people bought Sears..."). I'm under the impression Sears got a lot of sales due their financing program more than anything else.
I can say from observation that grandmother, who was definitely not in a very high income bracket, bought Sears. In fact, I almost got the feeling sometimes that her attitude was along the lines of, "If it's not at Sears, it doesn't exist!" That said, I can also appreciate how a Lady Kenmore would sell to someone in a higher income bracket. It must have looked very impressive new, and would suggest that the owner was doing quite well. |
Post# 579132 , Reply# 53   2/28/2012 at 20:18 (4,432 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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For gathering my feelings and then representing them so clearly. |
Post# 579134 , Reply# 54   2/28/2012 at 20:25 (4,432 days old) by in2itdood ()   |   | |
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Very Very Nice!My Gram had the same set only a year or 2 newer! The dryer finally died about a year or so ago! Love them! |
Post# 579347 , Reply# 55   2/29/2012 at 15:40 (4,432 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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You're so lucky, and that crazy looking spider leg Rotoflex is my absolute dream agitator. Have never had the pleasure, but hope to some day; in fact until I saw one of these spiders, here in the club, never in the flesh, the straight-vaned, extendable-finned Variflex had been my favorite, enjoying one of those for two years.
Can't wait to see the Rotoflex in action at multiple levels, and maybe a capacity test with towels. Look at how much more room is available in the tub next to the cumbersome Super rotoswirl in my 62 turq LK. Alas, have learned that my LK won't accept a Rotoflex--a damned rotten shame.
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Post# 579349 , Reply# 56   2/29/2012 at 15:55 (4,432 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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This was always the oddest looking agitator to me, I always wondered why they did it without a base. Those rotating gaps are just waiting to grab something and destroy it between the tub and fin. I also notice that the porcelain around that area under the fins seems dull. How long did KM use this agitator?
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Post# 579353 , Reply# 57   2/29/2012 at 16:25 (4,432 days old) by dishwasherfan (Phoenix, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 579354 , Reply# 58   2/29/2012 at 16:34 (4,432 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Tim -
I suspect the porcelain is not dull in the basket (Andy would have told me, or Dan would have mentioned it when the machines were picked-up) but instead I think it either has water hardness marks or just some dried-up debris on the surfaces. One thing about that agitator though - many of the Roto-Flex machines I've had (I have had five - sadly three were 'consumed' by the trailer thief) have had scrape or scratch marks under the agitator fins from exactly what you described -- things getting under the fins and being pinched and dragged. Apparently the Roto-Flex was a big button amputator as I have heard this from people who were around in the industry at the time. I don't know the reason for the lack of a base or skirt, but I believe there is mention of this in the 1965 catalogs which gave a lot of fanfare to this agitator when it debuted. I'll read-up sometime. It was loudly touted as providing 20% cleaner clothes than any other agitator. It was used up until about 1968 or so, and replaced by the Vari-Flex, then never to be heard from again in Kenmore marketing. Mickey - Andy has actually done a test load video of another Roto-Flex machine he has had, which was nearly the same washer in Avocado. He compared the Roto-Flex to the Roto-Swirl in a machine next to it, with identical washloads. It's on Youtube. Since this is Andy's video, I'll let him offer a link to it, but you can find it there if you search "Agitator comparison". Cool stuff! Oddly enough, a 2-week old comment in the video says "The Roto-Flex vanes look like they could be brutal on clothes if they get caught". You can see the scrape marks on the bottom of the basket on this machine. G |
Post# 579377 , Reply# 59   2/29/2012 at 18:29 (4,431 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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In Reply 16, where Andy has the measuring cup removed and the bright nubbies of the scrubber look brand new, the RF looks so much like an Octopus. And you can also see there are no scrape marks. Would appreciate the link at some point. Have you G. or any other of our club members used the octopus yourselves or currently have one in use. That is commentary I would respect, youtube--NOT! lol
Any doctrine you have on the RF would be wonderful G.
Later agitator designs from both Maytag and Whirlpool released the fins/blades from the skirt, such that where the fins were once connected to the base of the agitator, they are now free with visible gaps; even the enormous KA agi has this gap. In a way then, one could say that the RF was a prototype, with the base taken out altogether.
Have always always wanted one and hoped for one, and have never really cared for the Super Roto. Like salmon, clams, oysters and octopuses, it's all about personal preference. |
Post# 579401 , Reply# 60   2/29/2012 at 20:09 (4,431 days old) by moparguy (Virginia)   |   | |
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Wow what a beautiful set! Love them in coppertone! I know that you will enjoy them! |
Post# 579407 , Reply# 61   2/29/2012 at 20:56 (4,431 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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I'm assuming this is the set that's a step below the Ladies? It's vintage 1966. (Funny you met in Auburn...I used to live there back in the late 70s) BTW since I took this photo, I've gotten the dryer light going again and replaced the floor tiles...murder on the floor when I keep moving "spotlight" machines in/out of the house every few months...
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Post# 579432 , Reply# 62   2/29/2012 at 22:46 (4,431 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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I've already started tear down on the Lady because I really want to see her strut her stuff. Have no fear, Michael! There WILL be video. As far as gathering experience with the RotoFlex, another reason for overhauling her is I really want to move my prized Neptunes aside for a Little while and make these daily drivers. I really am very grateful to Dan for finding them. Ever since I sent the green 900 set to Gordon, I had been wishing I could find another RotoFlexed set. WOW! Even the mechanism which stops the timer dial at the spot you selected with the button works. Copper tone is one of those colors where if it's not maintained, it looks crappy BUT if kept well it just SHINES! Just think how well they'll look when I can get Jacqui's 63 Alphabets up and running and set right next to them!
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Post# 579658 , Reply# 63   3/1/2012 at 18:17 (4,430 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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I'm sure you know this but just in case: You can get this machine to agitate at any water level, as low as you want by filling to, say a few inches or whatever, and then move the dial to the empty space for SUDS, and she's off. That way you can treat us to the wonders of this agitator at various low levels. I'm dying to see this and am very grateful that you're going to do vids. (My main devotion to suds-savers is the multiple fascinating views they offer of water chaos as the levels change. The Rotoflex would have to be a chart topper in this regard.)
Just had a funny post dinner joke, entitled "Button People" If Jacqui sews, she probaly has a stash of button. If so, you could throw a whole bag o' buttons into the machine and see what horrors the rotoflex visits upon them. I bet the people with scraped bottoms were harsh overloaders.
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