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Post# 580543   3/5/2012 at 14:29 (4,405 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 580546 , Reply# 1   3/5/2012 at 14:42 (4,405 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 580552 , Reply# 2   3/5/2012 at 14:50 (4,405 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 580555 , Reply# 3   3/5/2012 at 15:04 (4,405 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 580564 , Reply# 4   3/5/2012 at 15:25 (4,405 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 580568 , Reply# 5   3/5/2012 at 15:31 (4,405 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 580575 , Reply# 6   3/5/2012 at 15:43 (4,405 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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The key to the question is that the 'second' rinse is optional. Many varies of fixed programed second rinses were common early on in the automatic game, with the optional choice requiring a button with aditional programming with the timer istelf.
The earliest second rinse Kenmore I can recall would be the '66 Lady K, and the '65 Custom Imperial Frigidaire does have an optional second rise as well (I'll have to check the archives to see if the '64 CI has a second rinse option). Those are the earliest major players I can think of, along with TOL GE of the time. Maytag didn't get into the second rinse arena till WAY late in the game - four digit model machines from the 90's (a shame too). Ben This post was last edited 03/05/2012 at 16:02 |
Post# 580576 , Reply# 7   3/5/2012 at 15:47 (4,405 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 580589 , Reply# 8   3/5/2012 at 16:18 (4,405 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)   |   | |
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I believe Kenmore was the first to offer an OPTIONAL second rinse circa 1967 as opposed to it being a part of the regular cycle. |
Post# 580593 , Reply# 9   3/5/2012 at 16:48 (4,405 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 580608 , Reply# 10   3/5/2012 at 18:08 (4,405 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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After a quick check of the 1964 GM Frigidaire doctrine, they do present a second rinse option within the timer sequence chart, therefore putting GM currently at the front of the optional rinse game about the time LBJ was taking over office.
A second rinse option was not available on pre-66 Lady Kenmore machines. I would suspect the 'Mark' line of Whirlpool would have been a year or two later considering Sears was always holding out on earning as much as possible on the extra options as they could. The earliest I can figure GE had it was with the 1967 control panel revision. A brochure posted last year (link below) shows the extra knob for the switch, so I suspect that was the function. I've seen it on 1968 and 1969 TOL panels, so I'm making an assumption that it was available a year earlier as well. Frigidaire had two deep rinses permanently programmed into the timer, starting with the WJ-60 in 1947 through the WO-65, ending with the WO-65-2 and it's overflow rinse in 1952. The second rinse was anything but optional by choice on those early Unimatics, but instead automatic. Westinghouse and Bendix also had multiple rinses, however that would be expected with those machines being primarily front loading. When it comes to some of the other players (Norge/Westinghouse TL/Hotpoint/Blackstone/EASY/Kelvinator/Philco TL, etc.), I'll have to defer to other members on the board. Ben CLICK HERE TO GO TO swestoyz's LINK |
Post# 580630 , Reply# 11   3/5/2012 at 19:16 (4,405 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I think it would have been the LFA9800 their first Electronically Controlled machine in 1977. For the most part I think that WP and MT got it right as a 2nd rinse is a HUGH waste of water for the most part and using this wasteful feature also puts a lot of extra wear and tear on the washer. On any AW ever built you could always set the machine for a 2nd rinse for special loads. I cannot even estimate how many machines I have modified so the 2nd rinse feature becomes inoperative. |
Post# 580647 , Reply# 13   3/5/2012 at 21:55 (4,405 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 580726 , Reply# 15   3/6/2012 at 06:38 (4,405 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 580731 , Reply# 16   3/6/2012 at 07:23 (4,405 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 580741 , Reply# 17   3/6/2012 at 08:44 (4,405 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 580802 , Reply# 20   3/6/2012 at 14:27 (4,404 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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My take and experience...
In my Hoover machines, I usually open up the pump and find horrible crap (detergent residue) in them and it has usually gone terminal and destroyed the pump. With a lot of these small machines, they were usually oversudsed and never rinsed out. With a Hoover especially, you use the spinner to rinse and the last thing the pump sees in a use is the mucky, soapy water being drained and then the machine being put away. Few people ever flushed the pumps with clean water. One machine that I have been using on and off for 4 years now was like that when I got it. I replaced the pump with a good used one that I had and lubed it up. 4 years later I disassembled it to lube the bearing and found NOTHING in the pump. As clean as it was when I assembled it. I attribute that to clearing the pump after use.
Now for the double rinse theory that Tom has, I do understand that. If heavy soap was used in the wash and not rinsed in the first rinse, then I see no harm that could be done by flushing away more of the soap residue. I suppose that this would depend on additives and the hardness of the water. Again I can see that if ample amounts of detergent was used. I don't find Maytags to be exceptional rinsers with the "recommended" amount of Tide or Gain in them and I too will dial in a 2nd rinse at times. The GE-FF never needs more than one rinse and recently when pulling the tub for inspection was relieved to find no buildup. All of these machines see hot water washes and bleach regularly. I like to rinse and see the water as close to clear as possible, and so far this does not seem to have been detrimental to any of my equipment.
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Post# 580945 , Reply# 21   3/6/2012 at 23:49 (4,404 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Not like I've seen EVERYthing, but in all my AW experience, and I've been watching/using them for 60 years, I never saw an 'extra rinse' option until I bought my 1998 Frigiwhite FL. Cycle time does not change but the 3rd rinse drains/spins and refills if the ER is selected. I've had Westinghouse, Frigidaire (real one), Maytag, Whirlpool.
BTW the Frigiwhite has FIVE rinses counting the first spray and 4 fills. I like rinsing and 4 gallons of cold water costs nothing. |
Post# 580980 , Reply# 23   3/7/2012 at 07:31 (4,404 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 580981 , Reply# 24   3/7/2012 at 07:53 (4,404 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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but second rinsing should never wear down a machine that is well designed in the first place to do its job correctly. My '78 Frigidaire 1-18 three speed has a second rinse option, which I use occasionally. Also the new Speed Queen's offer an additional rinse option on top of the 3 rinses in the program, leaves the machine sparkling clean.
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Post# 580990 , Reply# 25   3/7/2012 at 08:12 (4,404 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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