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Giving up on my Maytag A606
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Post# 581941   3/12/2012 at 13:55 (4,421 days old) by echolane ()        

My Maytag A606 was purchased new in June 1973 and has given great service, and still looks virtually brand new. BUT, the agitator doesn't seem to be working very hard when there is a full load with the result that the clothes will still retain bits of debris, etc, and don't seem really clean sometimes. So we replaced the belts, lubed the motor's track, etc. Replacing the belts gave some help in getting the clothes drier, but now the machine makes a HUGE amount of noise and moves all over during the spin cycle.

I know this is a great old machine and I hate to give up on it, but I think something major is wrong and I am not keen to invest in a service call ( very expensive in my area ), only to have the repair person tell me its a major repair and/or he can't get the parts. Any ideas before I turn to a Speed Queen top loader?






Post# 581942 , Reply# 1   3/12/2012 at 14:02 (4,421 days old) by BrianL (Saddle Brook, New Jersey)        
Don't give up yet!

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While someone with more knowledge will chime in soon, it sounds like you were definitely on the right track. There is not too much that can go wrong on these machines. Perhaps if it is possible to do a YouTube video of the problem, it may make it easier to diagnose for other members.

Good Luck!!


Post# 581944 , Reply# 2   3/12/2012 at 14:03 (4,421 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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May I ask what area of California you are at?

 

RCD


Post# 581956 , Reply# 3   3/12/2012 at 14:58 (4,421 days old) by echolane ()        

I live on what's called the Mid-Peninsula of the SF Bay Area.

Post# 581958 , Reply# 4   3/12/2012 at 15:09 (4,421 days old) by echolane ()        

As to making a video, unfortunately, I just washed almost everything in the laundry bin yesterday because rain is forecast, and I like to hang my wash out to dry.



Post# 582030 , Reply# 5   3/12/2012 at 21:36 (4,420 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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Don't give up the ghost! Maytags are tanks, and I'm sure someone here will be able to help!

Post# 582146 , Reply# 6   3/13/2012 at 13:54 (4,420 days old) by echolane ()        
Motor Mount Slide Kit - we're having trouble...

So we just received a motor mount slide kit, with springs and silicon lubricant. My husband has pulled off the motor and the bottom plate and is in the process of trying to reinstall it with the new slides and springs. But he feels he's got the slide assembly put together wrong. IOW, he thinks the springs are pulling it in the wrong direction. And then the plate has to be put back in the right orientation so that the motor will slide properly. He is not "seeing" how this is done. Anyone have any tips so we can complete this job?

Post# 582150 , Reply# 7   3/13/2012 at 13:58 (4,420 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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The mount should be installed such that the spring loops for the base would be facing forwards, or towards you. If the spring loops for the top plate are facing you, it has been installed backwards.

Reverse the motor on the top plate, reassemble, and make sure the bottom spring loops face you.

Hope this helps!

Ben


Post# 582153 , Reply# 8   3/13/2012 at 14:15 (4,420 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Ben

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OT, but fab profile pic!

 

 


Post# 582169 , Reply# 9   3/13/2012 at 14:37 (4,420 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
motor springs

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I searched this forum for "maytag motor slides" and here are 2 pics. Remember, the springs are to pull the motor out towards the front left corner of the cabinet, putting tension on the belt. When the springs are fully extended, the motor moves towards the center tub shaft. When compressed and at rest, they pull the motor away from center of machine, out towards corner putting tension on the belt.

 

Many thanks to someone else's post for this pic, my Maytag isn't anywhere near as prisitine, but runs perfectly.


Post# 582170 , Reply# 10   3/13/2012 at 14:40 (4,420 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
more

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This view is roughly from the left side of the machine, near the front.  Note that the springs are pulling the motor to the right in this pic, away from the direction of the unseen center tub pulley.


Post# 582175 , Reply# 11   3/13/2012 at 14:58 (4,420 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
on the other hand

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you also mentioned trouble with unbalanced spinning. While your husband is having fun getting those pesky springs in right, compare your washer's innards to the pics above. Are those huge vertical springs all good? Check both ends of all 3 of the braces running from the tub to the aluminum ring in the center, everything solid? Once you've finished the motor mount springs, do a load or two and watch what occurs, ask for more advice here. Everything you've described so far, from motor mounts to unbalance, are usually easy repairs on a  Maytag that will outlive you. The new motor mount wheels and springs and lube and belts will solve the slow action during agitation and spin, but the unbalance issue may be more related to that center aluminim damper and lubing there, and take a good look at the three huge springs and the three braces from center up to tub bolts.. Hopefully you only have one problem, most Maytags are well worth these repairs, but finish one chore and check, we can throw some advice on that unbalance problem too, once the first task is done.

 


Post# 582213 , Reply# 12   3/13/2012 at 18:07 (4,419 days old) by echolane ()        

Wow, great images and very helpful!

Here's where we are having a bit of a mental road block: When my husband removed the slide assembly from the motor, it naturally remained as he removed it, with the top plate centered on the bottom plate. Yet when he reassembles this slide assembly with the new glides and he reattaches the springs, then the top plate insists on shifting off the bottom plate, and this makes it extremely difficult to mount it back on the motor. So he thinks something must be wrong. Or, perhaps the springs have to be attached last, after the slide plate is mounted back on the motor?



Post# 582221 , Reply# 13   3/13/2012 at 19:21 (4,419 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
hmmm

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there are many better Maytag experts than me who can chime in, I'm trying to remember my rebuild from 2 years ago, it seems to me I never undid the motor from the plate, and it was a very mean little job with broken and chipped screwdrivers to get that spring hooked end into the various little holes while the entire assembly was in place on the machine. When finished it worked perfectly well, but a tight-fitting little nasty precise job while working on the floor.

 

Someone......?????

 

DO NOT GIVE UP. Your Maytag will get all better with your work, and will live a long life. If these are nearly the only repairs needed at it's age, you know it was well built.


Post# 582228 , Reply# 14   3/13/2012 at 20:11 (4,419 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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If he took the motor off the top plate I would suggest reattaching the top plate to the motor before putting the bottom plate on.

I usually then install the motor and glide in the washer without the springs installed, then put the springs on once the motor and glide have been reinstalled on the washer base. This makes it easier so you are not fighting the spring force when trying to line up the 4 threaded studs through the washer base.

I use a needle nose pliers to hold on to one end of the spring and fish the spring up to the top loops, then fasten it to the lower loops on the lower plate.

Ben


Post# 582240 , Reply# 15   3/13/2012 at 21:16 (4,419 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Maytag A606 washer

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I would look for a good repair person that is enthusiastic about working on this washer and pay them to look at it and give an estimate as to what it needs. I wish you were in our service area as we would be glad to do this for you. And while it is technically possible to keep this washer running another 20 years it will likely cost as much or more in time and effort as buying a new SQ TL washer now. This is also a good time to get a new SQ TL washer, a new SQ will not only perform much better than your MT ever did when new but will use a little less energy without going to far. When you consider that a new SQ TL 2 speed  washer will only cost about $650.00  that is far less than the A606 cost in today's dollars when new.

 

You have gotten far more use out of your MT washer than MT intended and no washer or automobile will go on forever without major repairs and expenditures, I often advise my customers that have gotten GREAT service out of an appliance to quite while they are ahead.


Post# 582253 , Reply# 16   3/13/2012 at 22:15 (4,419 days old) by echolane ()        
Good News and BAD news

The good news is that we finally got the springs attached (what a job) and everything tucked away. Then loaded some wash. Bathrobe, levi jacket, light jacket, bath towel, a couple of socks, about half a load. Agitator seemed to work a lot stronger (subjective impression).

But the bad news is that when the spin/rinse cycle started, there is still a VERY loud knocking noise. We opened the lid and my husband noticed that the tub wasn't centered. And it doesn't want to center itself. IOW, it can be centered manually with a little effort, but when pushed back or forward or to the side, it stays where it is pushed and doesn't return to center. When it is moved there is a hint of the knocking noise though at considerably lower decibels.

All the big springs seem "normal" and everything is attached as it should be.

BTW, we took a level and the machine is setting level.



Post# 582255 , Reply# 17   3/13/2012 at 22:19 (4,419 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass)        
A606 Maytag

You say the machine is moving around I would grab the agitator and try pulling the tub assembly side to side.It should move freely if not the damper pads on the base are worn or need lubricating which is common in a machine of this age.If it doesnt seem to agitate well try turning the transmission pulley counterclockwise.It should turn freely without excessive drag if not the transmission oil is getting thick and gummy with age or the upper bearing is binding.As far as replacing that machine I dont think any machine of today performs and washes as well as that does even though it usea alot of water by todays standards.I like how it blasts the clothes for a minute straight during the first spin.I have customers who beg me for those machines.I noticed in the picture the machine just fits in the space next to the dryer keep in mind that machine is 25 and a half wide and the new one will be 27 inches.Good luck.

Post# 582258 , Reply# 18   3/13/2012 at 22:35 (4,419 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Check out this thread and the simple resolution.  I don't know if your machine could have the same problem, but worth a look.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO rp2813's LINK

Post# 582259 , Reply# 19   3/13/2012 at 22:36 (4,419 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        

A neighbor of mine had that exact model, and he used to let me wash the drop cloths and towels he used when working in his garage. That washer purred like a kitten.

Good luck with the repair job,

James


Post# 582266 , Reply# 20   3/13/2012 at 22:55 (4,419 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ Top Load Washer

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Will clean and spin and last far longer than a 1970s MT and it is just 251/2" wide. It also has a better warranty than the MT ever thought about when it was built.

 

Just like the new cars of, today compared to cars of the 1970s there is little comparison. Materials and quality control today are so good that manufactures couldn't even imagine that there would be so LITTLE service required on today's appliances. Myself and a few of my other appliance repair buddies have become millionaires fixing 1970s and 80s appliances as people would fix them again and again. This will not be nearly as easy today as newer appliances just do not have as many real problems now, a big percentage of the things I fix everyday are dumb problems and installion related issues but far fewer real failures of the machine itself.


Post# 582271 , Reply# 21   3/13/2012 at 23:15 (4,419 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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Ok. We know the SQ is a great machine and all and it beats the Maytag seven ways to Sunday but...

It sounds like the young lady is at least trying to make an effort to try to fix what she has first since it was a solid performer before making the leap to new. I DO agree that the new SQ is pretty cool and has a warranty that shames anything else on the market. If I had to buy new, I'd go Speed Queen. But it doesn't hurt to try fixing the Maytag if possible and reasonable, right? :^)

RCD


Post# 582316 , Reply# 22   3/14/2012 at 08:00 (4,419 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Fixing The MT A606

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Hi Andy I hope I will get to finely meet you at Kevin's in April.

 

My first advice is to get an accurate appraisal on the MT and if the transmission is not the problem and the damper is not shot it may have a few more years in it. I fix MTs this old every month I am all for getting the longest reasonable life out of any decent appliance.

 

One other good option if the owner really likes the look of her current MT washer is to buy a good used 1980s - mid 1990s working MT DC machine and do a cabinet transplant using the newer drive line. The number 1 reason that we are trashing 1970s MT washers is top transmission bearing [ agitator shaft ] is binding in the top housing 2nd is probably snubbers that have lost there pads and are in a metal to metal condition for a long time. And while it is certainly possible to repair either one of these conditions they are not simple or cheap repairs.


Post# 582325 , Reply# 23   3/14/2012 at 09:04 (4,419 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
If you are the least bit handy with tools,

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What you might want to do, if you decide to replace it, is take the machine apart and sell the pieces on ebay. I know lots of people who might pay well for all  of those valuable parts. The buttons alone seem to fetch a lot on line. Recycling is less of a sacrilege than the crusher.


Post# 582328 , Reply# 24   3/14/2012 at 09:49 (4,419 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
That's more like it...

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It sure will be nice to meet you as well but how will you survive being surrounded by all those classic Maytags at Kevin's? The line from Indiana Jones comes to mind. "My boy, we are pilgrims in a unholy land..." LOL!

You have come up with some very acceptable options for this 606. Doing a cabinetectomy is something that a homeowner with decent skills can do without getting over their heads and save the washer's classic looks.

I'll have to touch bases with you via phone sometime as I have a Agitub needing a motor...

RCD


Post# 582376 , Reply# 25   3/14/2012 at 13:13 (4,419 days old) by echolane ()        
Back to the Speed Queen

Well, with a good deal of reluctance, we are giving up on our old Maytag. Time to let go of the old and turn to something newer. We went to check out washing machines this morning. No question, I want a Speed Queen Top Loader. Problem is that Speed Queen is backordered to end of May!!! Called the factory and talked to their General Sales Mgr and he told me it is because demand is up 4 x over last year and they just can't keep up. For example, they have one critical machine running a full three shifts. Luckily, he told me there will be a small delivery to the wholesaler in this area in about two/three weeks and each store will get about 4 machines. I'm signed up for one of them.

THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT HELP!


Post# 582384 , Reply# 26   3/14/2012 at 14:28 (4,419 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Speed Queen

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If you're persistent, you may find a SQ top loader readily available through a small independent dealership.  A member here was recently facing the same issue but after spending a little time calling around, he found a SQ at an appliance store not far from him.

 

If there's an issue with fill level once you get your SQ, there are threads on how to increase it, and people here who can help guide you.


Post# 582448 , Reply# 27   3/14/2012 at 19:44 (4,418 days old) by timborow (Georgia)        
Speed Queen

We purchased a new Speed Queen set about a month ago. It is the best washer/dryer set I have ever used. My wife loves it. She has told several people how well it works and what a good job it does. It is a very well made solid machine. Very old school, but modern too. I haven't raised the water level on mine like some have because I think it works great if it's not over loaded. We bought the basic 2 speed model and it handles all of our needs. I think you will be very happy with your purchase. I'm glad to hear that Alliance Laundry Company is doing so well. Very refreshing in this economy.

Tim


Post# 582511 , Reply# 28   3/14/2012 at 22:55 (4,418 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        

Are the new SQs designed to agitate with the traditional long slow stroke just as their grand predecessors did? Kudos to them if they are.

James


Post# 582657 , Reply# 29   3/15/2012 at 13:03 (4,418 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Slooooooow

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Yes and I think this is a big reason they are such a hit with our crowd.

-Tim


Post# 582742 , Reply# 30   3/15/2012 at 23:03 (4,417 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        

Good to know there is at least one brand out there keeping things traditional.

Post# 582766 , Reply# 31   3/16/2012 at 05:09 (4,417 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Well AW.org if its not the springs is it the dampers or damper lubricant? I had a couple of "medium loads" today  to have everything done for the weekend.  I always use the A106  for partial loads,  approx 22 minutes and laundry is perfectly done. Echo i think the "worn" belts" and resulting slower speed probably disguised the wear of the dampers or springs, now that the speed is back these problems are surfacing. I would still fix it if you can.  I know many here love the new Speed Queens but  it will interesting to see how well they are doing at the 40 year mark.  My old Tag came from an estate sale the grand daughter told me it had never been worked on.   Apparently the matching dryer was electric and a lightining strike finished it off years ago.   alr


Post# 1149751 , Reply# 32   5/28/2022 at 20:42 (691 days old) by chasg (Greene)        

O.K. I'll tell you what's the matter with this machine. In 1973 that transmission was filled with 80-90 gear lube. Now it's 50 yrs later and the lube has changed to "peanut butter" and the motor can't achieve speed against this load. New slides, new rollers, new belts, new motors...etc won't help. Personal experience from 35 yrs ago: I split the transmission, removed the stiffened grease with a putty knife as best I could, cleaned it with kerosene/ diesel fuel...whatever; added new seals & gaskets where needed, added new gear oil, reassembled and I had a new washer. That's the problem with all of the aged Maytags of that vintage. Good luck. Let me know if you take this tack...and the results

Post# 1149775 , Reply# 33   5/29/2022 at 07:21 (691 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

You had to take the transmissions apart when it was only 15 years old? 

 

My A606 is 49 years old, the transmission has never been apart, and it runs fine as long as it's not installed in a very cold room.


Post# 1149800 , Reply# 34   5/29/2022 at 10:53 (691 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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The post is 10 YO, the original poster is probably long gone.


Post# 1149803 , Reply# 35   5/29/2022 at 11:56 (691 days old) by Arlithrien (Tampa)        
Do combo52's posts hold true 10 years later?

Everything I have read on these forums until now gave me the impression that the 1960-1980s maytags are solid gold compared to most modern washers. I know SQ's are the king of modern washers due to their oldschool build quality but are they that much better than the old maytags? Is it worth it for your average user to toss their late-century appliances for something new and shiny? Are vintage maytags more akin to a classic car rather than a timeless competitor? Something for an enthusiast to restore and appreciate for the novelty of it but otherwise falls short to quality modern products in most ways?

Post# 1149814 , Reply# 36   5/29/2022 at 14:27 (691 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        
Long gone..

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Even some of the replies on here are by people Ive never seen comment the few years Ive been here, and they had lots of comments under their belts at the time. I wonder why they left?

Post# 1149818 , Reply# 37   5/29/2022 at 15:37 (691 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
Reply #36

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Sometimes I wonder why there are people who joined this site then left. A lot of the green user names in the archives either left, didn’t pay their membership, or simply got deleted.

Post# 1149827 , Reply# 38   5/29/2022 at 18:01 (690 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

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Post# 1149842 , Reply# 39   5/29/2022 at 21:18 (690 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
Had this post been written today...

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I feel like the original author might have felt more compelled to keep trying with the old Maytag, or might have paid really whatever they had to so someone would come do the repairs. At the time when this was written, 2012, Whirlpool direct drives had very recently stopped production, and the switch to VMW and other high-efficiency designs was well underway, but there were still many, many traditional top loaders available. People weren't as desperate to hang onto their old appliances when they could still get something like a Speed Queen with dial controls, or even a really good Whirlpool direct drive machine. Heck, even if this person would have wanted to stick closer to what they had, they could have probably found a used 12 series Maytag from the 80's. That is not the case these days. I think people are really working to keep their old top loaders in service as long as they absolutely can now, as in, they are much less willing to sell or scrap them then they were even a few years ago, because there just aren't good options to replace them with unless one wants to get a front loader, which is out of budget for many.

Times sure have changed in 10 years.


Post# 1149849 , Reply# 40   5/29/2022 at 23:42 (690 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
I wonder why they left?

Well, for one reason if you're inactive on the site for a certain length of time your profile and user name gets deleted.

I had to start over again a few years ago.


Post# 1149856 , Reply# 41   5/30/2022 at 01:49 (690 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
Reply #40

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Makes sense. I usually try to be as active as much as possible but if there aren’t any interesting threads or not much going on, I usually won’t post. If I posted just for the sake of posting, my comments/posts wouldn’t be as interesting to read nor would they sound all that great.

Post# 1149870 , Reply# 42   5/30/2022 at 09:16 (690 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        

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I think as long as you log on every now and then that's enough to keep your account active. I went like 5 whole years without posting but I still hopped on to read occasionally.


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