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Post# 588076   4/9/2012 at 10:27 (436 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Hey lovely people, hope all is well? I'm really keen to see some of these machines working. Plus it would be great to refresh our memory, as these machines tend to be push to the side lines and not often talked about. The Creda machine's I'm interested in, would be the machine's from the 70s/80s, right up and till the "Supaspeed" generation. I'm also interested to find out more about the "Creda Supaspeed Generation", like the pic below showing the "Creda 1200 Supaspeed".
Thanks everyone...
Hass CLICK HERE TO GO TO thelaundrylab's LINK
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| Post# 588131 , Reply# 1   4/9/2012 at 15:21 (435 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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i'm always keeping my eye out on youtube for creda and electra machines,especially the 11500, fingers crossed we see those style of machines in action one day :) | ||
| Post# 588134 , Reply# 2   4/9/2012 at 15:31 (435 days old) by AquaCycle (Baildon, West Yorkshire)     |   | |
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| Post# 588137 , Reply# 3   4/9/2012 at 15:44 (435 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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my gran had that model after her Hoover Electronic packed in! it was a bit of a poor machine | ||
Post# 588156 , Reply# 4   4/9/2012 at 16:16 (435 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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You jolted my memory...![]() ...if I can remember correctly my sister in law's Creda Machie ie the pic I posted above, she also had problems problems with it. Mind you her machine was contantly on the go, as she had young kids back then. But then again as Hotpoint was behind making of Creda, then you can see why they often broke down :)
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| Post# 588168 , Reply# 5   4/9/2012 at 17:22 (435 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Post# 588599 , Reply# 6   4/11/2012 at 10:46 (434 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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| Post# 588637 , Reply# 7   4/11/2012 at 14:21 (433 days old) by matchboxpaul (Crewe, U.K)     |   | |
![]() How do Hass.
Vintage Creda's are exceedingly rare indeed. Dont really no why that is as, as far as I know, there was never a stigma against buying the brand and there weren't any major reliability issues I know of associated with them. I remember catching the tale end of the black fascia machines and the start of the brown slant fascia series machines in the early to mid 80s. Indeed one of my fondest memories is of seeing a Creda Model 12000 Microelectronic de luxe 1000 - the black fascia machine festooned with white buttons - fully plumbed in and working, on show outside Currys in Accrington. The only black fascia Creda washer that has ever surfaced, as far as I know, was a model 10700 that was taken to the council tip where Gary (electron1100) worked. That was over a year ago and unfortunately the machine was wayyyy too far gone to even consider restoring. Gary will be able to tell you more about it, but I know that he stripped the fascia and door off it. A real case of so near and yet so far. Then of course there was the unfortunate black fascia Creda destroyed in a particularly cruel episode of 'How Clean is your House'. Re the 10500.....one of those lived at number 16 on my parents street. It was a really smart machine, but unfortunately I never saw it working. It was replaced by a Hotpoint 9901 washer-dryer and consigned to their garage for a few years. One day a skip appeared on their driveway and when peering over the top, being a nosey youngster, I saw their 10500 inside and lying on its back. That was the last time I ever saw a square door Creda and they were the only household that I knew, who had one. Would be superb to see one again and to find out just what the Rhythm spin was all about. Paul | ||
| Post# 588638 , Reply# 8   4/11/2012 at 14:23 (433 days old) by matchboxpaul (Crewe, U.K)     |   | |
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Post# 588877 , Reply# 10   4/12/2012 at 21:02 (432 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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![]() Hello guys, as always, appreciate you sharing your stories. Paul interesting read and sounds torturing when you wrap it up like that, as I sense you really wanted to grab hold of these machines, especially the Creda that was on display in Currys.
Paul, when you find the time, maybe you could help me/us go through each series for Creda's? Even though I did my research by going through the archives, still can't place which time period each machines are except, The Creda Micro Series is from the mid 80s. Also was the name "Electra" first, before it became "Creda"? Tomturbomatic: The description to your Creda Supaspeed 1000 machine sounds more like the Hotpoint wash rhythm to what I had explained in my previous post... Great to hear the machine is still going strong, even if you do have to change the brushes time to time. | ||
Post# 589256 , Reply# 12   4/14/2012 at 09:29 (431 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda![]() Where very understated in the Automatic world and yet had some fab machines, those first series machines look well ahead of their time, rumour is they sold the castings to Hoover for the electronic series, yes the Electra I have is a fab machine and just awaiting a bearing replacement, next one is the Servis MK72 fill valve and then it will be done next!!
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Post# 589268 , Reply# 13   4/14/2012 at 10:50 (430 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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![]() Hey guys,
Rob: The way you described the machine, almost sounds like the Creda Supaspeed. During the spin intervals after each rinse, the water would drain out the drum as it tumble round clock wise and anti clock wise for a few minutes. When it was about to hit it's spin phase, the machine would then go to a quick distribution mode, then the spin accelerated very fast and stopped almost as soon as the Max Spin Speed was reached, (in this case 1000 RPM) then continued to it's next rinse phase. Also the Supaspeed machine spun anti clock wise, which I found rather odd. Because I always got the impression British made machines always spun clock wise and most European machines spun anti clock wise. Ok I might be getting a little technical, but can any one explain why this is the case? The drum of the Supaspeed machines, is exactly the same as the Electra machines, like the pic below (borrowed from the archive, which was originally posted by Electron1100) Mike: We look forward to seeing your machine's in action. As Paul explained your Electra machine needed new bearings. Thanks for reading, Hass
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| Post# 589308 , Reply# 14   4/14/2012 at 13:11 (430 days old) by electron1100 (England)     |   | |
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| Post# 589309 , Reply# 15   4/14/2012 at 13:12 (430 days old) by electron1100 (England)     |   | |
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| Post# 589310 , Reply# 16   4/14/2012 at 13:14 (430 days old) by electron1100 (England)     |   | |
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| Post# 589312 , Reply# 18   4/14/2012 at 13:16 (430 days old) by electron1100 (England)     |   | |
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| Post# 589313 , Reply# 19   4/14/2012 at 13:17 (430 days old) by electron1100 (England)     |   | |
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| Post# 589314 , Reply# 20   4/14/2012 at 13:18 (430 days old) by electron1100 (England)     |   | |
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| Post# 589315 , Reply# 21   4/14/2012 at 13:19 (430 days old) by electron1100 (England)     |   | |
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| Post# 589324 , Reply# 22   4/14/2012 at 14:18 (430 days old) by aquarius8000 (Hampshire - UK)     |   | |
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Post# 589580 , Reply# 23   4/15/2012 at 08:32 (430 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Electra/Creda Pic's ![]() Gary thanks for sharing the pic with us, guessing not many of the machines couldn't be saved? The Electra 1100 Washer is growing on me, the more I see it, the more I like it and looks very similar to Creda Micro machines.
aquarius8000: That's a shame, hopefully something will come up soon. As I don't know much about Electra's, I'm getting the impression Electra's were the alternative machines to buy, selling them for a cheaper price to Brands like Hoover, Hotpoint, Creda & Servis. Did "Electra" buy the rights, build there machines and sell them on, hence why a lot of Electra machines's looked similar to the above brands I've mentioned. Anyone care elaborate more about this, seeing there's little history on Electra's. I'd be most grateful. Thanks for reading, Hass :) | ||
Post# 589585 , Reply# 24   4/15/2012 at 09:11 (430 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia- City)     |
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![]() The Electra 1100 washer in Reply #17 is nearly the same as my neighbors washer when I was growing up. The only differences were the name (hers was a Creda Concorde not ELectra) and hers did not have the smaller dial.
I remember on these machines you had to push and hold in the temperature dial as you turned it around. And the programmer had a very distinct 'clicking' noise as you turned it (don't know why that sticks in my head). I remember finding the tiny power button funny just because the other buttons were big chunky rocker switches. Noise wise I remember it sounding like our Hoover Logic that we had at the time particularly when on 1100rpm spin. Also my neighbors was dark brown with orange around the dials and rocker switches I believe. I found it interesting the way they grouped the cycles into the different sections of the programmer in the care label numbers (i.e: 1,2,5 or 3,4). This machine died when apparently Hazel tried to wash a pillow in it and she told me how she had to bucket water out of it because it just plain died. It was replaced by a Creda SupaSpeed 1200 which I used to have a lot of fun helping her use, as I got older I was allowed to flip the switches or open the door as long as my hands were spotless clean and if not they were scrubbed for me with the ever present huge block of Fairy bar soap next to her kitchen sink lol Also Hazel knew how to wash, never saw her use 95 degrees but it was always 60 for towels, 40 acrylics for her shirts and slacks, 50 for her bed linen etc... She favoured Daz Liquid and SurCare softener, thats something I always remember Ahhh memories, what I wouldn't give to walk into that house again and be told I could 'flick the switches then', and proceed to flick Deep Wash and On/Off and then sit on the floor watching the whole cycle. I went back into that house to visit her when I was back in the UK this past November and it had been replaced with John Lewis washer. ALthough Hazel did comment on how I used to sit and watch the old one for hours and hours and how much I loved watching water as a child, sweet :-) SOrry for the long post, things came back to me as I was typing lol Regards Matty x | ||
Post# 589591 , Reply# 25   4/15/2012 at 09:42 (430 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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| Post# 589627 , Reply# 26   4/15/2012 at 12:04 (429 days old) by reversomatic (east anglia,england,u.k.)     |   | |
The rhythm method![]() Does anybody else remember the the T V adverts for explaining the benefits of a rhythm spin? They stared Proffesor Magnus Pyke,Who at the time was a sort of celebrity science boffin.He was quite a tall lanky man with long arms, that he waved about to explain the spinning method.The rhythm spin just consisted of a series of short spins followed by reverse tumbling prior to the final spin.Because it added quite a lot of time to the cycle they provided a time saver button that would rapid advance the programe timer past the rhythm spin.I seem to remember that Bosch used a simalar spin on some of their machines that they called interval spin.I think there must still be 1 or 2 about somwhere as they were a well made machine,galvanised steel cabinet so rust not so much of a problem althougth the paint would flake of sometimes.And typicaly Creda the back panel was held on by about 30 self tapping screws.Ahh memories.Regards Nige.
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| Post# 589661 , Reply# 27   4/15/2012 at 14:12 (429 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Creda 10500 That brings back alot of memories the amount of screws on the back panel & me helping our dad put numerous belts back on it, but for me it was the wonderful & powerful unique noise it used to make when ramping the spin speed up. Considering it only had a maximum 800rpm spin, the sound really made you think it was spinning much faster.
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| Post# 589865 , Reply# 29   4/16/2012 at 06:06 (429 days old) by aquarius1984 (Crewe Cheshire UK )     |   | |
![]() Electra was indeed the name used by electricity boards as a house brand for various makes of machines and models which were sold in their high street shops.
THe name seems to have been dropped but I have no idea who owns its now. Up until about 7 years ago it was used by the one chain shop Powerhouse. They stocked Electra "merloni servis" machines and Electra "Creda/Hotpoint aquarius dryers". Creda I would say badged up a good portion of Electra machines sold, and probably sold the most of the electra machines found. However lets not confuse Creda with Hotpoint here, depending on the machines age it would either be a creda or Hotpoint, Living on the border of the potteries im a 10 minute drive into Hanley (Stoke on Trent) where Hanley Library has a massive collection of local history. I went a few years back to look at the Creda archives and got information of what happened and when. True Creda was bought out by Hotpoint in 1988 although machines were still produced up until about 1990 when everything was harmonised and homogenised, THis meaning all washers were Hotpoint's with reviewed fascias but the same internals as Hotpoint. The dryers however plodded on for a good couple of years after in Creda's filter in the door design under Electra etc. Creda and Hotpoint Dryers became a uniform and revised design taking Creda's multivent design with back of drum heaters and dropped the filter to under the door. | ||
Post# 589961 , Reply# 30   4/16/2012 at 13:51 (428 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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![]() Cheers for clearing that up with me guys, really apperiate it as always. So where was the actual Creda "factory"? Never heard of Antonio Merloni, first time I've known about this, you learn summit every day! I'm a good pupil really ;) lol really I am...
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| Post# 590617 , Reply# 31   4/18/2012 at 18:33 (426 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Post# 590662 , Reply# 32   4/18/2012 at 21:23 (426 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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| Post# 591093 , Reply# 33   4/20/2012 at 19:48 (424 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Creda Concorde![]() How do everyone? Sorry I ain't been on for a while, internet's messing around, does anyone know why the Creda 17003 was given the formal name "Concorde" and the 17006 "Debonair 1100 Sprint" is the 17003 named "Concorde" because of the fast speed, as it was probably a very fast speed at the time the machine was built. Or is it just a thing that washing machine manufacturers do, not that it is probably.
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| Post# 591098 , Reply# 34   4/20/2012 at 20:11 (424 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Creda Debonair & Concorde Well i think the name was taken from the well known Creda Debonair Spin Dryers but as for the name Concorde, i'm sure that Colston had that name on their spin dryers & maybe Twin Tubs well before Creda had that name on their automatics. Anyway Creda deserved that name because that was exactly what they sounded like.
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Post# 591608 , Reply# 35   4/23/2012 at 12:16 (421 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Post# 591611 , Reply# 36   4/23/2012 at 12:32 (421 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Creda Reversair...![]() Check out this Creda Reversair which Is up for grabs on EBay! Based in Southampton/Hampshire area! Happy Bidding!
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| Post# 591641 , Reply# 37   4/23/2012 at 16:44 (421 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
What did the Creda Concorde look like?![]() @thelaundrylab, on Hotpoint's After Sales, you can download Instruction manuals/User Guides, just type in 17003 as that is the Creda Debonair Concorde Model!
Here, see the link below. Brandon. CLICK HERE TO GO TO CandyD10_14X's LINK | ||
Post# 591663 , Reply# 38   4/23/2012 at 18:22 (421 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Post# 591684 , Reply# 39   4/23/2012 at 19:43 (421 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia- City)     |
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| Post# 591729 , Reply# 40   4/24/2012 at 01:25 (421 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
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Post# 591752 , Reply# 41   4/24/2012 at 05:20 (421 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Creda Concorde 17003...![]() Brandon, I agree with you there. Looks like Hotpoint got half the job done lol. For the rest of you guys, here's the picture of the "Creda Concorde" Model No: 17003. Thought it would be nice to add to the collection, thanks to Brandon for sharing the link with us! Kool Matt, so this was the machine you was describing to us?
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Post# 591754 , Reply# 42   4/24/2012 at 05:23 (421 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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| Post# 591760 , Reply# 43   4/24/2012 at 06:56 (421 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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| Post# 591814 , Reply# 44   4/24/2012 at 13:41 (420 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
classic rhythm spin![]() what was the "classic rhythm spin" was it like the old hotpoints?
Actually, I've wondered, did the old Electra machines, such as the ones Electron1100 posted (Electronic Deluxe 1200) did they spin like the hotpoint 95XX series? And with the same start up sound (that "woooorrrrraaaaah") sound. Sorry if I sound a little off my head describing the Hotpoint spin sound! Brandon | ||
| Post# 591836 , Reply# 45   4/24/2012 at 15:00 (420 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Rhythm spin It's really very hard to explain because it had a unique spin start up sound unlike any other washer that i've ever heard before. I must have been about six years of age when our mam & dad purchased it from our local Norweb electric shop & that sound is as clear today in my head as it was from all them years back, put it this way our neighbours always knew when our Ti Creda washer was on.
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| Post# 592039 , Reply# 46   4/25/2012 at 11:30 (419 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Creda De luxe's![]() This has probably been noted out before, but I seem to notice that those old Creda/Electra square-doors look like Hoover Electrons like the A3350!
Wow, was it really that loud? Must've been like when my Hotpoint Ultima Extra WMA64 would spin at 1400RPM (top speed) with a dangerously unbalanced load!
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| Post# 592079 , Reply# 48   4/25/2012 at 14:31 (419 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Hi Neil! Yeah! That sound was the best washer sound ever, that was like me, I usually would go to my nans to chat, but instead would end up sitting on a chair in front of her 9517! Wish she never got rid of it, well my Dad gave it to one of his army mates and it got replaced by my old First Edition WM51!
Sorry to ask this, but did your nan pass away? Sorry, i don't mean anything bad, it's just my Grandad passed away as well, about 2 1/2 months ago. (R.I.P) X. Anyway, I've never seen an Electra 11500, would love to see one, especially in action, and maybe a Creda Concorde, SupaSpeed and all sorts of others and a Hotpoint 95452/95450! Thanks! And take care Neil! Brandon | ||
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| Post# 592140 , Reply# 51   4/25/2012 at 19:24 (419 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Post# 592247 , Reply# 52   4/26/2012 at 05:25 (419 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Creda Concorde...![]() Hey all, nice to see this thread is still going and sharing your stories. Sorry to hear about you losing your Nan and granddad Neil, Brandon, and nice to hear you have some fond memories.
To my memory Hotpoint washers, were always loud whilst spinning and generically loud machines. Optima, it's a pleasure mate, it's certainly been a learning curve for some of us. And who knows guys maybe one day we'll all get to see the Creda Concorde in action, as well as others. Hass. | ||
| Post# 592316 , Reply# 53   4/26/2012 at 10:42 (419 days old) by HotpointFan (Leeds, England)     |   | |
Creda![]() My nan had one of them in reply 17 minus the 3rd dial, she put it in the garage when she moved house in late 1989, because a Hotpoint 95630 came with the house. I believe that the Creda was 1000 spin instead of 1100.
The Creda at this point was leant to one of my uncles which was a few years before a Hoover Ecologic was purchased to replace it. The Creda went back to nans. By 1996 the Creda was again at the same uncles, the Logic had broken, repairman not come out at this point, the Hotpoint 95630 popped its clogs, so my nan bought her Hotpoint WM41 Microprofile. My uncle gave my nan back her Creda, which was put in the garage where it stood, plumbed in, for times when there was lots of bedding, perhaps relatives where staying, or when all the house bedding was being changed. Between our Hotpoint and Hoover we went a few times to use it for our washing. When the Hotpoint WM41 died in late December 2009, the Creda went in the kitchen for two weeks over the Christmas holidays, until a new machine was purchased after the holidays. In that time several relatives (my nan has six children!) came and stayed overnight, so the Creda was running for quite a bit. On the 10th of January 2010 the Bosch Maxx 5 1400 WAA28161GB/07 was purchased. The Creda then remained in the kitchen for a week, waiting for its fate, I wouldn't have let it go if it would have been scrapped. But I needn't have worried, as my cousin got it for his first house, which is working for him well now up in Aberdeen. When I had my Dyson CR01 briefly I leant it to my nan for when I changed the seal on the Bosch (was clogged up with liquitab gunk), but it went to the local appliance shop which I got £200 for the Dyson. She now has just the Bosch, no spare. Sorry for the long post, thanks for reading. Jacob P.S: Good look on the mission Hass! | ||
Post# 592454 , Reply# 54   4/27/2012 at 07:11 (418 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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| Post# 592521 , Reply# 55   4/27/2012 at 14:42 (417 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Hi Neil, it's ok, to me though, it feels longer than 2 1/2 months for my Grandad.
Funny, you saying about things triggering off things from the past, when i'm at my nan's house sometimes I still think I can hear the sound of her 9517 or an old Hotpoint 95,97, 99 series washer or 18 series launching into spin, I can remember when she lived in her old house, I never wanted to go to the bathroom alone when it was on, because I can remember, my nan always washed bedding and towels together, but with an uneven number of towels and I can remember the "sinister" sound of it unbalanced on distribute and the way the machine would slightly move left and right and then it didn't jump like a normal washer, it would jump like 10 feet forwards and those houses were only built for top-loading washers. But I miss it so much, I still remember the day it was washing 2 body towels, and it was just about to distrbute, and I turned the timer knob to the "800" portion and my god, I rmemeber how much it jumped out, and it tore the lino as well, but my nan and grandad never minded me doing that! Anyway enough me rambling on! Brandon. Would love to have seen an Electra 11500! | ||
| Post# 592522 , Reply# 56   4/27/2012 at 14:56 (417 days old) by HotpointFan (Leeds, England)     |   | |
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| Post# 593107 , Reply# 58   4/30/2012 at 11:00 (414 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Hi Neil! I was so like you when I was about 4, when my nan lived in Kensington, the house she lived in wasn't really built for front-loading washers, so she had a Hotpoint Electronic 800 Plus 9517W (probably mentioned it before), but her being herself, always washed towels and bathmats, but when the machine would distribute, the items would cling to one side of the drum and I could tell you, the sound of the unbalanced loads distributing was sinister! And I can still remember the sound of the machine jumping into spin, I would always run into the bedroom and hide under the covers and I can remember when I hid, and the machine would spin, the loud THUD of the machine jumping about 5 feet across the bathroom, but I eventually got used to it, I mean, I still was a bit scared of the spin sound, but I loved the bit when it would zoom straight up to 800/1000 (depending on model) and how violently the washer would vibrate and sudslock!
Brandon | ||
| Post# 593341 , Reply# 59   5/1/2012 at 09:40 (414 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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aye,they liked to let the neighbors know when they were on those hotpoints lol | ||
| Post# 593432 , Reply# 60   5/1/2012 at 14:41 (413 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
neighbours![]() Lol, yeah imagine *knock on door* *opens door to find furious next door neighbour* "Hi can I help you?" Neighbour- "I have been trying to sleep, and all I can hear is the sound of your Hotpoint 95622 when it ramps up to spin, please don't use it so often!" Me- "well, it's a classic machine, and 2nd I have to do my laundry!"
Lol, can you imagine if someone complained and actually said that!? | ||
| Post# 593447 , Reply# 61   5/1/2012 at 15:32 (413 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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ha ha,don't do any washing after 11pm lol | ||
Post# 593487 , Reply# 62   5/1/2012 at 18:17 (413 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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| Post# 593710 , Reply# 63   5/2/2012 at 15:32 (412 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Lol, it would be funny if that really happened in the neighbourhood, or the new law was that anyone with a Hotpoint 95, 97, 99 or 18 series washing machine are not allowed to use their machines past 22:00, but those with Hoover Visions, LG Direct Drives and Zanussi Electrolux washing machines are allowed to use them past 22:00!
I would do anything to have a Hotpoint Liberator, Microtronic X2000 or an Inglis front loader in my kitchen! | ||
| Post# 593718 , Reply# 64   5/2/2012 at 16:08 (412 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Creda Based Dedietrich 1150 Washer Dryer![]() Hi,
I noticed this thread, & thought I'd share some pics of my Aunt's Dedietrich 1150 Washer Dryer. Having looked at some of the pics posted above, it looks like this Dedietrich Washer Dryer was either based off, or created by Creda, but badged Dedietrich. I've no idea of the actual model number. It looks very much like the dryer Electron1100 posted above. CJ
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| Post# 593719 , Reply# 65   5/2/2012 at 16:13 (412 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
The Drum![]() | ||
| Post# 593720 , Reply# 66   5/2/2012 at 16:15 (412 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
With The Door Open![]() | ||
| Post# 593722 , Reply# 67   5/2/2012 at 16:16 (412 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Both Doors Closed![]() | ||
| Post# 593723 , Reply# 68   5/2/2012 at 16:18 (412 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
The Control Knobs![]() | ||
| Post# 593725 , Reply# 69   5/2/2012 at 16:28 (412 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Pics![]() I apologize for the slightly burry pics, I took them in a hurry.
My Aunt's got two of these Dedietrich Washer Dryers, one of them leaked it's drum of a rinse cycle's water contents onto the kitchen floor. It's many years ago when this occurred, I remember the agitation style, but not the spin dry phase, or the drying agitation style. A close up of the drum interior. CLICK HERE TO GO TO hooverzanmiele's LINK
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| Post# 593731 , Reply# 70   5/2/2012 at 16:38 (412 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Inner Door![]() | ||
Post# 593741 , Reply# 71   5/2/2012 at 17:28 (412 days old) by brummybear (Birmingham uk)     |
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Hotpoint.![]() | ||
| Post# 593933 , Reply# 72   5/3/2012 at 13:38 (411 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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I thought Creda was part of Jackson/Tube Investments all those years ago before Hotpoint started making their machines,Hence the Creda style drum and the chrome doors Neil | ||
| Post# 593995 , Reply# 73   5/3/2012 at 17:02 (411 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Hotpoint Factory![]() In October 2008, my uncle actually drove up to the Hotpoint Factory as he lives in Rhyl, which is a few miles from Kinmel Park, where Hotpoint used to be, and sadly they wouldn't let me in, even after telling them i was crazy over washing machines, however, somthing did catch my eye in the showroom.
Basically it must've been either a Hotpoint WD63, WD61 or WM64, but it was in Satin Aluminium, have Hotpoint ever sold any of those models (Aquarius) in Satin Aluminium? I know the WD73 was sold in Satin Aluminium, but I don't know of any of the other machines..... I'm not going to hijack the thread, but if anyone has any information on that, please let me know, may have been a prototype.... Brandon. | ||
Post# 594014 , Reply# 74   5/3/2012 at 18:09 (411 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Brandon...![]() | ||
| Post# 594023 , Reply# 75   5/3/2012 at 19:00 (411 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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| Post# 594231 , Reply# 76   5/4/2012 at 17:56 (410 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Hi Hass! Yeah, just that I didn't want the subject to suddenly change from the thread topic, :)
Optima, I think the WDM73 is availabe in satin aluminum, but as for the WM6X range, never seen that before, wonder if any First Edition's were available in that? Probably not. lol From your picture, I'm guessing that's a Hotpoint WM12 or WM31? I might be wrong.
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| Post# 594233 , Reply# 77   5/4/2012 at 18:10 (410 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Creda Style Electra Electronic De Luxe![]() The washer in Reply 13, does that machine spin the same way as old Hotpoints, it sounds like they spin like the Hotpoint 18580 and 18680, I know that Creda have a model exactly the same, there was a video on YouTube, can't remember who it was by, but in the video was a Hotpoint Aquarius WD64 and a Creda SupaSpeed, I think it was a 17029, can't seem to find it as the video name was a load of random numbers.
but if anyone knows the spin sequence/style of that Electra, please let me know Brandon. | ||
Post# 594236 , Reply# 78   5/4/2012 at 18:13 (410 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Brandon...![]() | ||
| Post# 594243 , Reply# 79   5/4/2012 at 18:36 (410 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Post# 594339 , Reply# 80   5/5/2012 at 04:22 (410 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda UK![]() Was a stand alone company from the 1930`s making cookers and fires at their Blythe Bridge factory in Staffs, then introduded the "First and Best" spin dryer in the UK, The Creda Debonair in the 1950`s, then following the famous Reversomat tumble dryers in the 1960`s and then front loading washing machines in the 1970`s, it was one of the best Laundry Companies we had until they merged with Hotpoint in the 1990`s...
Here is the first generation of washing machines and styles, (courtesy of "The Library of Paul") the square door was introduced before Hoover started using it!!
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Post# 594340 , Reply# 81   5/5/2012 at 04:27 (410 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Style Change![]() The next style change was in the early 1980`s and introduction of the "Round door Series", very smart clear fascias with simple programming...
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Post# 594341 , Reply# 82   5/5/2012 at 04:32 (410 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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10700 Series from Creda![]() | ||
Post# 594344 , Reply# 83   5/5/2012 at 04:45 (410 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Serries 3 ![]() | ||
Post# 594345 , Reply# 84   5/5/2012 at 04:48 (410 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Heres Some![]() | ||
Post# 594347 , Reply# 85   5/5/2012 at 04:53 (410 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)     |
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![]() The Creda dryers (especially the compact models) were very popular overhere. The washing machines however never made it to the Netherlands, except for one demonstration model at the electricity company. They had a series 3 washing machine on display with a matching dryer. I never, ever saw a Creda washing machine in a store here though. I wondered why the electricity company got one. I have to add that I never saw a series 3 dryer in a store here either.
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| Post# 594427 , Reply# 86   5/5/2012 at 16:32 (409 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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some great posts there Mike,quite an interesting read how the creda's were built Neil | ||
| Post# 594477 , Reply# 87   5/5/2012 at 22:53 (409 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Creda Concorde![]() Wow, that Creda 17003 is a really nice machine!
Optima, I love the WM22, especially in Spring Almond! Does that machine have an Unbalanced Load Protection System? I've always wondered what was the 1st machine Hotpoint added a ULPS (Unbalanced Load Protection System) on? The same goes for Creda and Electra. I wonder if anyone on this site has one of those square door Creda/Electras? Would be great if someone did! Mike, love your 11500, and your A3008, 1842 and many more! Nice to see that some classic washers are in good hands! Brandon | ||
| Post# 594523 , Reply# 88   5/6/2012 at 06:57 (409 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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WM22 Aquarius | ||
Post# 594537 , Reply# 89   5/6/2012 at 08:46 (409 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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Mike...![]() | ||
Post# 594538 , Reply# 90   5/6/2012 at 09:16 (409 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda![]() | ||
Post# 594539 , Reply# 91   5/6/2012 at 09:21 (409 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda Micron![]() | ||
Post# 594540 , Reply# 92   5/6/2012 at 09:29 (409 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda Concorde![]() | ||
Post# 594541 , Reply# 93   5/6/2012 at 09:36 (409 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda Launderair![]() | ||
Post# 594543 , Reply# 94   5/6/2012 at 09:40 (409 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda UK![]() | ||
Post# 594545 , Reply# 95   5/6/2012 at 09:54 (409 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)     |
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Mike![]() | ||
Post# 594547 , Reply# 96   5/6/2012 at 10:01 (409 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Dont Forget..![]() We have this excellent thread produced by MatchboxPaul last year, covering Creda as well...Thanks Paul, I know how much it takes to scan organise & publish stuff!!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK
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Post# 594550 , Reply# 97   5/6/2012 at 10:38 (409 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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Creda Series three![]() Oops me type to fast - thanks Louis, just jogged my memory with your post, the Series 3 where the "Microns" also Debonair Supertrons along with the Concorde...
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Post# 594552 , Reply# 98   5/6/2012 at 10:43 (409 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)     |
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I salute you guys...![]() More fab pic's Mike!!! Loving it and nice to see the start of Creda, ie Creda introducing the Twin Set Ad. They're all great, I/we appreciate the time and effort you guys put into these threads Mike, and of course it was Paul's Creda thread that instigated me to do an update, because there is so much more to learn about this company.
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Post# 594572 , Reply# 99   5/6/2012 at 12:56 (408 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)     |
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| Post# 594672 , Reply# 100   5/6/2012 at 18:50 (408 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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| Post# 594674 , Reply# 101   5/6/2012 at 18:59 (408 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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Scans | ||
| Post# 594812 , Reply# 102   5/7/2012 at 08:40 (408 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Love that Creda Micron! Didn't know they did a top-loader (the twinset).
Mike, wow, imagine if everyone merged their collections together, that'd be some massive museum! Optima, the WM22 sounds like an interesting machine! I noticed it must have a 95 series motor as the WM20 and some models before don't make that "startup" spin sound! From my understanding, the Creda Excel range, were not only clones of Hotpoints WMXX range but I'm guessing they had the same motors, and the same for the ones that looked like the WMA range?
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| Post# 594813 , Reply# 103   5/7/2012 at 08:41 (408 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Creda 800RPM![]() | ||
| Post# 594863 , Reply# 104   5/7/2012 at 13:59 (407 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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yeah i agree mike,i think creda machines were definitley overlooked,every household i knew seemed to have a hotpoint or a hoover machine,with the odd one having an indesit or a servis, My Nan had the electra and my best mates mum had the Creda crusader, Was there a big price difference in the machines where it meant a creda was a tad more expensive than hotpoint and hoover? Neil | ||
| Post# 595237 , Reply# 105   5/9/2012 at 07:15 (406 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Electra Asciugabiancheria![]() Currently on Ebay UK, an Electra Tumble Dryer, has 05 bids, @ £20. Has 02 hrs 43 mins left.
Thought I'd add it to the thread, as it's focused on Creda/Electra etc. BTW. My ex-school had an Electra 05KG 1100 AutoWasher AWM1100, before it was replaced with a Hotpoint 01st Edition 5.5KG 1300 AutoWasher. I was given the user manual to the Electra, before I left, about 10 years ago, if anyone would like a copy of the pic of the controls, let me know. CJ CLICK HERE TO GO TO hooverzanmiele's LINK
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| Post# 595239 , Reply# 106   5/9/2012 at 07:21 (406 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Compact Electra Seche Linge![]() Currently on Ebay UK, an Electra Tumble Dryer, 03KG, vented, model 286.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO hooverzanmiele's LINK
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| Post# 595241 , Reply# 107   5/9/2012 at 07:24 (406 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Electra Abluff Waschetrockner![]() Currently on Ebay UK, an Electra SensAir 05KG vented Tumble Dryer.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO hooverzanmiele's LINK
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| Post# 595253 , Reply# 108   5/9/2012 at 08:57 (406 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Creda Auctions![]() Miscellaneous Creda/Electra/Crusader Auctions.
Creda Simplicity 05KG Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREDA-SIMPLICI... Creda Simplicity TVR2 Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creda-Simplici... Creda DebonAir ReversAir Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREDA-tumble-d... Creda Tumble Dryer T522VW www.ebay.co.uk/itm/creda-tumble-d... Electra Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dryer-/2610172... Creda Simplicity condenser Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tumble-Dryer-/... Creda ReversAir Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creda-Reversai... Creda ReversAir Energy Series Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREDA-REVERSAI... Creda condenser Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creda-TCR2-Con... Creda SensaDry Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREDA-TUMBLE-D... Creda First Choice condenser Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creda-First-Ch... Creda Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creda-Tumble-D... Creda ReversAir Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creda-ReverseA... Creda Simplicity condenser Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creda-Simplici... Creda Simplicity Tumble Dryer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREDA-SIMPLICI... Creda ReversAir Tumble Dryer > Chrome door type, model 37405 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREDA-TUMBLE-D... Sorry bout not pasting all in seperately, couldn't bothered with the faff.
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| Post# 595256 , Reply# 109   5/9/2012 at 08:59 (406 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Creda Spin Dryer Drum![]() | ||
| Post# 595280 , Reply# 110   5/9/2012 at 11:37 (405 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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hooverzanmiele erm,what were you doing in my mums kitchen taking a photo of her washer????? lol, | ||
| Post# 595282 , Reply# 111   5/9/2012 at 12:32 (405 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
I teleported!![]() | ||
| Post# 595297 , Reply# 112   5/9/2012 at 13:54 (405 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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reply 105 the hotpoint first edition pic you've posted,that's my mums house lol | ||
| Post# 595766 , Reply# 113   5/11/2012 at 14:06 (403 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Hotpoint First Edition![]() | ||
| Post# 595771 , Reply# 114   5/11/2012 at 14:22 (403 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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just a new hotpoint logo brandon,that's about it | ||
| Post# 595796 , Reply# 115   5/11/2012 at 16:41 (403 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Oh thanks CJ! Here's something that baffles me, was/is it possible to fit Hotpoint 95XX parts to Creda 17XXX models (E.G. Hotpoint 9528 Timer knob on a Creda 17028?) Because on the websites, the part that is for a Creda washing machine is listed as Creda/Hotpoint.
Thanks! And it's nice to see that this thread is still going after about 105 replies! Let's keep it going! :) Brandon | ||
| Post# 596117 , Reply# 116   5/13/2012 at 08:43 (402 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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it's getting difficult to keep it going now lol,we keep steering off topic too :) | ||
| Post# 596133 , Reply# 117   5/13/2012 at 11:53 (401 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
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| Post# 596143 , Reply# 118   5/13/2012 at 13:06 (401 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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yeah,i really wish we'd have owned one back in the day | ||
| Post# 596191 , Reply# 119   5/13/2012 at 16:02 (401 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)     |   | |
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creda compact Hi Guys Was given this creda dryer yesterday, just needs a belt and some cleaning up. mathew
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| Post# 596194 , Reply# 120   5/13/2012 at 16:04 (401 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)     |   | |
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Close up creda reversair
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| Post# 596195 , Reply# 121   5/13/2012 at 16:07 (401 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Hotpoint/Creda Spare Parts![]() Hi Brandon.
As far as parts're concerned, I;ve no idea if what you asked above would be possible, it wouldn't hurt for you to try, but obviously, no guarantees. It may be more possible for a simple timer knob change, to work, whereas my thoughts for a board change, would probably be more complicated, if not impossible. Sorry I'm not much help on this point, you may be better off querying Paul, (Matchbox Paul), on this, as he's done more repairs on varrious machines, plus he's got the knack for digging out the production/marketing years, & age of machines for different models, E.G. my Hoover Logic Premier 1250 Washer Dryer A8576, was a Currys special edition, produced & marketed from October 1990. CJ | ||
| Post# 596198 , Reply# 122   5/13/2012 at 16:11 (401 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)     |   | |
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would have matched this washer from the same time, I had this a couple of years ago and sold it to a friend of mine.
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| Post# 596199 , Reply# 123   5/13/2012 at 16:12 (401 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)     |   | |
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close up
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| Post# 596201 , Reply# 124   5/13/2012 at 16:15 (401 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
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| Post# 596208 , Reply# 125   5/13/2012 at 16:39 (401 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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| Post# 596218 , Reply# 126   5/13/2012 at 17:01 (401 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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| Post# 596219 , Reply# 127   5/13/2012 at 17:02 (401 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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it's ok mate,i don't mind you using the photo,i was just surprised when it popped up lol | ||
Post# 596356 , Reply# 128   5/14/2012 at 04:28 (401 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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In The Later Years![]() Pehaps Creda was starting to be overlooked with regards to Hotpoint, BUT you cannot fault that a "Creda Appliance" would have been in nearly every home after the war, from Carefree Cooker, Corvette Water Heater, Creda Debonair Spin Dryer (Britains First & Best), Calypso and Capri Fires & Room Warmers etc.....and they where radically ahead of Homemaking offering the 60`s housewife a colour co-ordinated range of kitchen appliances - so Creda was well ahead of the game in technology and the use of the colour palette!!!
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Post# 596359 , Reply# 129   5/14/2012 at 06:03 (401 days old) by chestermikeuk (Cheshire, England, UK)     |
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And ![]() The First Home Laundry Appliance from Creda was the Debonair Spin Dryer which revolutionised washday in the UK, many fabrics could be ironed straight for the drum spinning at 2,800rpm and thicker towels & linens could be dry in hours instead of days from a wooden mangle!!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK
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| Post# 596443 , Reply# 130   5/14/2012 at 12:34 (400 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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Auntie Edie next door had a creda spin dryer,her electron only had an 800 spin so she used it for towels and bedding and other bulky items | ||
| Post# 596492 , Reply# 131   5/14/2012 at 14:35 (400 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
![]() Loving that Creda 1000 SupaSpeed and Electra 1200 Electronic! As for the parts, it may have been a typo on the website or a mistake, I think that you can use a Creda motor in a Hotpoint and vice versa, but about exterior parts, the doors can only be used for the Excel 1200 and WMA style machines!
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| Post# 596618 , Reply# 132   5/15/2012 at 07:25 (400 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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i knew someone who had the supaspeed 1000 in brown,never saw it in action though | ||
| Post# 596656 , Reply# 133   5/15/2012 at 10:10 (400 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
brown credas![]() | ||
| Post# 596657 , Reply# 134   5/15/2012 at 10:27 (400 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)     |   | |
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i never saw an almond model,just brown/white | ||
| Post# 596979 , Reply# 135   5/17/2012 at 01:14 (398 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
Hotpoint WMT03![]() optima, the WMT03 was a 1400 model, I think the one you're referring to is the WMT05, I'm guessing those models were a cheap version of the First Edition range, along with the WMA5, 1000rpm. Or it could've been the WMA13, 1300 First Edition.
Neil, I think the closest to almond I've seen was the Electra Deluxe 1200, which was posted near the beginning of the forum in Reply 2, but it could be just because of the poor lighting. Oh, how I'd love to just go back and time and raid a showroom full of Creda Microns, Concordes you name it. | ||
| Post# 596988 , Reply# 136   5/17/2012 at 03:00 (398 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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| Post# 597107 , Reply# 137   5/17/2012 at 16:38 (397 days old) by CandyD10_14X (Ingatestone, East Anglia, UK)     |   | |
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| Post# 597110 , Reply# 138   5/17/2012 at 17:03 (397 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)     |   | |
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| Post# 597111 , Reply# 139   5/17/2012 at 17:03 (397 days old) by hooverzanmiele (Scunthorpe, UK)     |   | |
Back to Creda![]() Here's an old Creda Dryer, matches the AutoWasher near the start of the thread.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO hooverzanmiele's LINK | ||
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