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Post# 592019   4/25/2012 at 10:00 (4,377 days old) by jmurray01 ()        

Spin speeds that is.

My current washer, a 2011 BEKO WM5100W has a 1000RPM spin speed which at first, going from my 1600RPM spin Zanussi, I thought would be way too little, but it actually drains just as well, despite being drastically slower, plus the slower spin speed should, theoretically increase bearing life.

So, what speed range would you consider fast enough, and what would you consider too fast ?

Me - I'd say 1000RPM is good, but anything up to 1600RPM is better!





Post# 592022 , Reply# 1   4/25/2012 at 10:15 (4,377 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Bearing Life

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Has very little to do with the speed the washer spins at, 99 and 44/100% of all washer bearing failures are caused by water getting past the water seal and ruining the bearings. We saw plenty of bearing failures on old WH FL washers in the 60s and 70s in as little as three years.

 

That said there is not much gained by spinning clothing much over 1000 RPMs in overall water extraction.


Post# 592030 , Reply# 2   4/25/2012 at 10:38 (4,377 days old) by zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)        

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My washer is a 2010 Beko WM5120w washer which spins at 1200rpm.

1200 is pretty good achieving a B rating for Spin Efficiency, clothes come out dry enough =]



Post# 592031 , Reply# 3   4/25/2012 at 10:53 (4,377 days old) by jmurray01 ()        

Well to give you an idea of how dry the clothes come out of my machine with 1000RPM spin, they only need 60-90 minutes in the Bendix 7414 to be bone dry.

Post# 592043 , Reply# 4   4/25/2012 at 11:51 (4,377 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Ok,

60 - 90 minutes from a 1000rpm Beko.

Then from a Beko 1600rpm the drying times in a Hotpoint 93 series dryer went down to 30 - 40 minutes.

Using the average 2800rpm UK spin dryer VIntage or new from a 1000 spin Indesit gave about the same results. However spin dryers have a smaller spin can and denser packed clothes to compensate for the slower but less compacted and wider diameter drum of the washer meaning 1600rpm is a close contender.

1000 to 1200 there is hardly any noticeable difference in drying times BUT it is rather poor compared to a 1400 or 1600 spin.

1600 all the way if I reccommend a new machine these days the dfference of 20 to 50 minutes in the dryer will soon add up in electricity savings from the dryer.

Bering life as noted by Combo52 has NOTHING to do with faster spin speeds but more the quality and design of the bearing from water in the first place. Seen brand new Mieles with bearing failures just as I have seen Beko bearing failures.



Post# 592046 , Reply# 5   4/25/2012 at 12:17 (4,377 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Its All Relevant to Your Own Needs!!

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We were used to lower spin speeds years ago and yes while clothes arnt dripping wet from a 740rpm washing machine or wringer we saw that as they are spun in say a spin dryer the clothes dry quicker....for us in the UK with this rain and cold after 26d 2 weeks ago its relevant...

For me, out of My Servis Quartz - 1000rpm and hanging them on steaming radiators, if I choose to stand over them constantly turning then they will crisp and need ironing after 20mins

Out of a 1200rpm Fagor I leave them overnight and they are still damp on the corners

Out of the 1600rpm V-Zug or hotpoint Ultima then they will dry in 30 / 40 mins in a dryer

Out of my Frigidaire @ 2,800rpm, damp dry but no better than the 1600rpm

The difference is preferential, I prefer 1600rpm when needed so I can get the laundry dry in a dryer with minimum expense (cost of fuel is dearer here) and less humidity and damp inside the house.....





Post# 592054 , Reply# 6   4/25/2012 at 12:56 (4,377 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
No less than 1200 rpm

To me that is the absolute minimum for a new machine.
That said 1600 rpm is the highest speed where you can actually lower the moisture level without adding heat or damaging the clothing.
I remember the Gorenje machine at 2000 rpm left clothes damper than the Hotpoint-Ariston Extendia at 1400.

Of course for wool no more than 1200 rpm and delicates and silk no more than 600 rpm!


Post# 592062 , Reply# 7   4/25/2012 at 13:26 (4,377 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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In really bad rainy weather, washing taken straight out of the hotpoint washer after being spun at 1000rpm then put on a clothes maiden & left all day or overnight then finished off in the dryer for 20 minutes the fist 10 minutes on full heat followed by 10 minutes cool tumble is all that's needed. Had a hoover 1600 spin washer a few years back & haven't noticed much difference in the drying times & also on the plus side a few less creases to iron out.

Post# 592071 , Reply# 8   4/25/2012 at 13:45 (4,377 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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I think results from spinning also depend on drum diameter and the length of spin. My Mum has a Beko ecocare which top speed is 1000rpm but things need less time in the dryer than her previous Indesit 1200rpm machine as the Indesit only span for 1200rpm for 2 minutes max when as the Beko spins at 1000rpm for 5 minutes.

The old Bendix electronic I had as my 1st machine span a lot better than a Candy Turbomatic I had briefly. Both were 800rpm machines but the Candy's drum was tiny in comparison to the Bendix, also, this may be a factor, The Candy had relatively few holes compared to the Bendix.

Laundry washed in my current washing machine is far dryer than the Hotpoint WD440 I had which span at 1400rpm ( current machine 1300rpm ), granted the Hotpoint often did not make it to top speed due to fussy balancing and things had to be re spun....but my current machine holds it's top speed for longer than the Hotpoint did.

Oh gosh.....what a waffler I am!!!!


Post# 592074 , Reply# 9   4/25/2012 at 14:07 (4,377 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)        

My LG is a pretty good spinner at 1200, i did a wash this afternoon and hung it on the maiden,it'll all be bone dry by the time i get home from work tomorrow


Post# 592087 , Reply# 10   4/25/2012 at 14:57 (4,377 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)        

My LG spins at 1400 RPM for 4 minutes and for me it's perfect.
If I can remember, in UK it had A class in spinning even with 1400 RPM ( I think it's because it keeps the high speed for 4 minutes).


Post# 592114 , Reply# 11   4/25/2012 at 16:55 (4,377 days old) by Seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        

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Post# 592162 , Reply# 12   4/25/2012 at 21:13 (4,377 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Personally, I like 1200rpm.

It's fast enough that there is little to be gained without heading up to 1600rpm...

Held for 4 minutes, it's solid in extraction in the Zanussihouse...

...and when hanging out, creases aren't too hard to shift.

Oh, and high spin machines here tend to be the reserve or high cost too....I can get a 1200rpm Beko for $600ish....an Electrolux for about $850...Bosch for about $950...etc. To go over 1200rpm, means spending about $1200 - and that's not worth it in Oz.


Post# 592211 , Reply# 13   4/26/2012 at 00:32 (4,377 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Well, we found out two things..

My GE Top loader had an extended spin setting which would spin the clothes at 650 RPM for about 10 minutes. My Huebsch spins the clothes at 1000 RPM for about 3 minutes.

We found that both of them got the clothing about as equally damp dried.

I have a 3200 RPM spinner and I found that even after being in the Huebsch at 1000 RPM, I can get about an additional 2 cups of water out of the clothing with an 8 kg load.

I think anything past 1400 RPM is pretty much negligible at removing moisture, but what I think would help is lengthening the duration of that spin.

I believe Cylinda (aka Asko) makes a washer which can spin clothes at 2000 RPM.. I wouldn't see much benefit over a washer that only spins at 1400 RPM.


Post# 592216 , Reply# 14   4/26/2012 at 01:18 (4,377 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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My 800rpm Frigiwhite FL is adequate. Dries in my 110V LK in about 40min. But I'd prefer my 1973 Panasonic TT at 1750rpm. In a warm climate you could wear shirts or use towels out of that spinner.

Post# 592239 , Reply# 15   4/26/2012 at 04:22 (4,377 days old) by mikeklondon (London)        
1600 - 2800

I agree with Chester Mike UK, its the cost of power here. I do spin very heavy items even after 1600 RPM in the Miele washer. I did a load of very, very heavy bed linen this morning and it only took 18 minuets in the dryer to ironing dry. most linen go's str8 from spin to roller iron with no drying needed. A full load of towels dry in around 40 minutes os over a year its a big saving. I think in a vented dryer it would be even less time.



Post# 592301 , Reply# 16   4/26/2012 at 09:34 (4,376 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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1140rpm only please, I don't want anything slower than that or faster than that.  hmmmph.


Post# 592317 , Reply# 17   4/26/2012 at 10:45 (4,376 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Spin Speed

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Welcome to "The dark Side" oh Webmeister!!, have you had a machine that spins faster than 1140rpm Robert - cant remember the spin speed of the beautiful Asko that was recycled (think canbalised - Oh Slaaap) for the Super Unimatic was it 1200rpm, and the Harmony was a 1000rpm??

Having used your Unimatic it would be similar in extraction to the 1050 rpm Hotpoint top loaders we have here.

Are we going to see unveiled a Super Souped up Blinged Duet yet??

Cheers, Mike



Post# 592335 , Reply# 18   4/26/2012 at 12:09 (4,376 days old) by confused ()        

as other posters have said, it depends on the machine.

I know that my Gorenje has a 1400RPM spin and a drum the same size as my mums 1600RPM Hotpoint/Ariston BUT clothes come out of my Gorenje with less moisture than they come ouf of my mums Hotpoint. Ironically the Ariston/Hotpoint is more stable in spin as the cabinet wobbles about less than the Gorenje

However if the machine held the spin cycle for longer it would get even more water out, if you start another spin cycle after the main wash you can still hear water hitting the outer drum if you open the detergent drawer. I sometimes do this if the load is the full 7kg and is bulky things like towels to save time in the matching Gorenje condenser dryer.



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