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Post# 594406   5/5/2012 at 12:16 (4,366 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

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More of the same complaints.  Interesting that Whirlpool says this is an unusual complaint and the consumer might have "water quality problems".  Hmmmm...

 

Lawrence



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Post# 594407 , Reply# 1   5/5/2012 at 12:22 (4,366 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Well, that's a nice picture of a '61 Buick!

Post# 594416 , Reply# 2   5/5/2012 at 14:01 (4,366 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Post# 594421 , Reply# 3   5/5/2012 at 14:52 (4,366 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
yuck

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These new generation agitator washers that don't rinse are for the birds. Especially when you consider people use regular sudsing detergent in them and they have a relatively low spin speed.

Which brings up a point. Why do they even make regular detergent now days? Why not only make HE? HE cleans great in front or top loading machines. Who needs suds? Suds do not clean your clothes. We are far enough removed from the days of "soap" when suds did indicate whether you had enough product in the water. Instead of 57 kinds of Tide, why not just Tide...no suds and a nice clean scent??


Post# 594429 , Reply# 4   5/5/2012 at 16:44 (4,366 days old) by marthalover4eve ()        
1:05

at 1.05 it looks like the man was on this website

Post# 594437 , Reply# 5   5/5/2012 at 17:14 (4,366 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yes, he was! :)

Post# 594440 , Reply# 6   5/5/2012 at 17:25 (4,366 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Searching this site...

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I thought the same thing - perhaps reading the thread that was posted a while back on the Roper Rinse Rash?

 

"The inside of the drum looks clean but here's what you can't see..."  Really?  First day on the job? 

 

I've seen far too many DD washers, and GE ( really, all neutral drainers) that leave a ring of scum around the basket, inside and outside and a horrific ring of scum on the outer tub.  The belt-drive WP-KM washers used a spray rinsing routine that was partially directed at the basket so it had a much better chance of helping keep the machine a bit cleaner.  They've just moved the scum-line to the lower parts of the tub by filling with less water.   Lower and lower fill-levels and little or no spray rinsing to  help clean the machine.  The machines that do have a squirt or two in the final spins direct the water to the bottom of the basket so as to reach the clothes that are lying in a hair and suds covered lump after the draining, but this does nothing for the upper parts of the basket and tub.   Even the washer cleaning products sold will do nothing to clean where the solution cannot reach.  I should post some pics of the DD KitchenAid washer I have in use now.  I've been washing rags from work in it for the last month or so and already there is a line of schmeg on the inside of the basket just around the water line and I know there has to be worse around the parts we can't see.  I'm going to move some of the machines around again (like changing handbags for spring & summer :-) so I'll pull the cabinet off of it and have a look.  I already know what I'll find.  I've had DD machines that while going over and cleaning them to ready for re-sale, have used a paint scraper to remove the scum from the top of the outer tub and tub rings. 

 

Feh.  I'll keep my vintage machines.


Post# 594443 , Reply# 7   5/5/2012 at 17:48 (4,366 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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Leave it to the manufacturer to blame it on the quality of the water. They'll never admit that the real problem is the fact that they designed the machine to rinse a full load of clothes on a small water level setting. This is the same machine that was posted on here recently. She needs to address Whirlpool with the fact that it is NOT her water since her previous washer rinsed with no problem. You can't have rinse water levels in a top loading machine, that is better designed for full water usage. If the rinse cycle is going to be that low, then they should at least have a 30 second spin spray between the wash and rinse cycles when the washer has reached full spin speed. Not a total solution to the problem, but I would think the results would be a bit better than they are. And with that spin spray and low level rinse, you would still be saving water compared to a high water level rinse, that is, if you are really concerned with water conservation.

Post# 594447 , Reply# 8   5/5/2012 at 18:10 (4,366 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
Bad Link

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Thanks, Dadoes for correcting the link!  Interesting in that that link was left over from a much earlier posting.

 

Anyway - at least the story is available to those who wish to read.

 

Lawrence


Post# 594452 , Reply# 9   5/5/2012 at 18:34 (4,366 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Soon the manufacturers will say that the problem is the soil level...

Hey m'am, we strongly believe you should prewash and presinse your clothes manually before loading the machine that's what the use and care manual says. I'm sorry, that's not our fault, that's YOUR fault.


Post# 594461 , Reply# 10   5/5/2012 at 19:16 (4,366 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

The front-loader version of this is observable when last rinse looks like first wash when using the prescribed amount of HE detergent.

Post# 594464 , Reply# 11   5/5/2012 at 20:50 (4,366 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

If they ramped up the spin speed and directed more intermittent water sprays over the entire tub they might get better results. I think they are taking short cuts in their designs to be cost effect during production.

Aren't consumers instructed to use HE detergents in these types of machines already? Though, just because there isn't 'suds' still doesn't mean clothes are rinsed proper.


Post# 594465 , Reply# 12   5/5/2012 at 20:59 (4,366 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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Rapunzel, don't you find it funny too how they cut corners like that to keep costs down yet they still charge way too much for the dumb things?

Post# 594480 , Reply# 13   5/5/2012 at 23:12 (4,366 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

This woman is illogical.

She complains that the washing machine is using too much water. But then she complains that there are suds in her rinse water and she frequently has to do another rinse cycle. (Using even more water)

She obviously is not aware that water rinses clothing.

I think what she wants is a washer that doesn't use water but will wash and rinse her clothing perfectly.

Lady, your dream doesn't exist, yet.


Post# 594486 , Reply# 14   5/5/2012 at 23:40 (4,366 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Whirlcool

She's complaining because she has to repeat the cycle to get the clothes properly rinsed, it wastes more than rinsing in a decent water level.

Post# 594491 , Reply# 15   5/6/2012 at 00:14 (4,366 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I would fill that horrible machine to the proper level with my Lowes bucket!Or--if you can-adjust the fill level control.If its tamperproof-use the bucket-Folks--its time to SCRAP these stupid water rules!Causing more greif than solving problems.this is what you get when you have poloticians involved with appliance regulations-they know NOTHING about washers and such!Keep them out of it!!

Post# 594497 , Reply# 16   5/6/2012 at 00:26 (4,366 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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^ ^ ^ +1.

Politicians should NOT be designing washers. They probably don't even own one. They have their illegal-alien maid send laundry out to a service that does NOT "rinse" in a figurative teacup of water.

With 1/1000th what politicians fritter watering their landscape, everybody in the country could fully rinse their laundry.


Post# 594511 , Reply# 17   5/6/2012 at 02:29 (4,366 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
No bad rinsing here !

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I can make my washer do 2 3 4 5 rinses if I choose and it takes in extra water if selected never have an issue with bad rinsing with Miele. Nor with my twin tubs as I rinse as often as I want :)

Austin


Post# 594514 , Reply# 18   5/6/2012 at 04:51 (4,365 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

If the woman had any kind of front loader she would have used less water than that machine and had clothes better cleaned and rinsed!

This new era of top loaders, while never used one disgusts me! The old water guzzler machines surely did their job but this is just shameful, I'd call it a plain fraud!
And what about the increased wear of the clothes subjected to that torment?!


Post# 594518 , Reply# 19   5/6/2012 at 06:16 (4,365 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

When the Queen of England has her laundry done, it gets put through three full cleaning and rinsing cycles, before it is dried and pressed. If that is good enough for her, it is good enough for me to use a washing machine that uses plenty of water.



Post# 594519 , Reply# 20   5/6/2012 at 06:19 (4,365 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
N.B.

In fact, I vaguely remember watching this documentary on the Queen and they stated that even new linen get laundered, dried and pressed three times before they are put on her bed. Now, that is how I want my laundry done.

Post# 594520 , Reply# 21   5/6/2012 at 06:22 (4,365 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
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What ever happened to this washer. It seemed like a good compromise compared to the 5 inch deep rinse. Didn't this model have a series of spray rinses with no deep rinse portion.
Does anyone recall this model or how it worked exactly. Didn't seem to have been on the market for very long.


Post# 594521 , Reply# 22   5/6/2012 at 06:41 (4,365 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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I suspect someone has their facts wrong or something was misread somewhere.

I would of thought the Queen has it Washed, Rinsed 3 times, and pressed. Considering the Royal Warrant was applied to Hoover washing machines that washed, rinsed 3 times and spun that were supposedly used in the Queens residences Id say that was nearer the fact.

Its been said before and it will be said again, Until America's manufacturers gets their heads together and stops this toploader redesigning business which must waste a hell of a lot of money and energy and will never work.

Where they should be is putting together better FL's that use Low Water, Extra Time, Faster Spins of 1400-1600rpm, 3 to 4 Low Rinses, and gets decent Euro standard detergents to use in them then the laundry situation wont ever work when it comes to water and energy conservation.





Post# 594565 , Reply# 23   5/6/2012 at 12:16 (4,365 days old) by retropia ()        

re: Whirlpool Resource Saver - I think that John/Combo52 has a few of these, if I remember correctly, and he likes them. There was something about them that made them unpopular; I think they were more expensive to build than a regular top-loader, thus they cost more to buy. The average consumer wasn't convinced of the benefit and it didn't sell well.

John may chime in here with the rest of the story.


Post# 594692 , Reply# 24   5/6/2012 at 21:23 (4,365 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        
Water Temperatures

Would cooled-down water temps be causing the scum issue?


We always use warm rinses with our DD and the inner and outer tub have remained spotless after all these years.


Post# 594714 , Reply# 25   5/6/2012 at 21:54 (4,365 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Would cooled-down water temps be causing the scum issue?

Yes, I think so. Too much cold water washing and lots of additives other than detergent is to blame for crud, mold and smells in washers. It has to be, because I don't have that problem with my washer, which doesn't have ATC and I do real hot washes.

Post# 594838 , Reply# 26   5/7/2012 at 12:02 (4,364 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Awesome!

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Glad to see this is beginning to make the NEWS!

Malcolm


Post# 595308 , Reply# 27   5/9/2012 at 15:12 (4,362 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        
Incredible.

I don't understand selling washing machines that don't ... clean clothes.

You can use HE detergents that don't suds (sud?) but is the detergent REALLY out of the clothes?

For several years I used my Duet and I now, having gone back to an Asko, remember what RINSED clothes were like.



Post# 596009 , Reply# 28   5/12/2012 at 18:59 (4,359 days old) by washer111 ()        

The woman in the video says she "I use the recommended suds... always."
Could this imply that she is using too much detergent? Or HE detergent suds up when the clean rinse water enters and agitation starts?

I'd say she is washing in cold water, with a bad HE detergent or even a regular detergent and that is yielding the bad results.

Could her Admiral's agitation method also be the cause?

If manufacturers are so "obsessed" about making top loaders that use LOW WATER, why not follow a standard I have seen in Norway: Have the drum set horizontal like the front loader, but have a special latching door that you can open to put clothes in via the top with the normal top loader door?
That way, you get front loader in a top loader!

If it's such a problem, why doesn't she just return the machine to the point of purchase and get an exchange or sell it to some other unlucky fella, then buy a good FL or SpeedQueen?

Going back to the topic, if she washes in cold water, adds the liquid detergent in the bottom, that ends up in the outer tub, just sitting and not doing a damn thing. I'd say that when the machine goes into spin, some of the old detergent and other oily scum somehow gets back into the wash bowl, ruining the rinse.

So, start the wash with HOT or WARM water, once the water level actually starts "going somewhere" then add the detergent and LESS of it than recommended.
Maybe after following this, the lady would have better results


Post# 596010 , Reply# 29   5/12/2012 at 19:00 (4,359 days old) by washer111 ()        

Forgot to add:

If she is so unhappy, why not return the machine to where she purchased and get an exchange OR sell it to some other unlucky fellow and buy a decent FL machine or a SpeedQueen top loader?



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