Thread Number: 40247
A new washer/dryer set joins the collection in Ogden...
[Down to Last]

automaticwasher.org's exclusive eBay Watch:
scroll >>> for more items --- [As an eBay Partner, eBay may compensate automaticwasher.org if you make a purchase using any link to eBay on this page]
Post# 595716   5/11/2012 at 10:22 (4,339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

I have been hinting at a new acquisition for a while now...  A few weeks ago, I happened to be down in Queensbury NY, for a 'parts run' when I spotted something very interesting that kind of matches a set on my 'dream machine' list and that I had been advised by Tim that I might be needing. 

 

I spied this set....





Post# 595717 , Reply# 1   5/11/2012 at 10:24 (4,339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

They're pretty nice and the name "Gordon" came to mind.   BUT  this is not what I got....


Post# 595718 , Reply# 2   5/11/2012 at 10:26 (4,339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

Here's a shot of what I did get, all loaded up and ready to roll.

 

I had been supposed to get this on the weekend of May 5th, but the fates were conspiring against me and I took a vacation day on Tuesday the 8th to get them.  

 

Can you say 'wanted them badly'??




This post was last edited 05/11/2012 at 11:42
Post# 595719 , Reply# 3   5/11/2012 at 10:28 (4,339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

They were snuck into Ogden under cover of darkness... Hubby is off to Switzerland for 10 days, too so I had motive AND opportunity... LOL


Post# 595720 , Reply# 4   5/11/2012 at 10:30 (4,339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

The dryer may give a clue as to what they are....


Post# 595721 , Reply# 5   5/11/2012 at 10:31 (4,339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

And the washer???   I am keeping that a secret until after I can get back down to Ogden tonight and get to play with it this weekend...

 

Yes, that is not nice of me, but I promise,  all will be revealed soon!!!


Post# 595722 , Reply# 6   5/11/2012 at 10:34 (4,339 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. )        
I AM SO JEALOUS

william637's profile picture

AND HOW COULD YOU PASS UP THAT LK SET?

 

At the bare minimum you could have picked them up for me - it's not like I haven't threatened to come up there and start stealing part of your collection! Smile


Post# 595728 , Reply# 7   5/11/2012 at 11:06 (4,339 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

pulltostart's profile picture

All i can say is OMG!  How awesome are those!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You've got to tell us ALL about them and show ALL the pictures.

 

Lawrence


Post# 595826 , Reply# 8   5/11/2012 at 19:31 (4,339 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

redcarpetdrew's profile picture

Looking forward to more pictures BUT...

 

Does Hubby have internet access in Switzerland? He could very well be rebooking a MUCH earlier flight home... Laughing

 

RCD


Post# 595831 , Reply# 9   5/11/2012 at 20:02 (4,339 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()        

I would love to have the harvest gold Kenmore's :-)

Is the dryer a GE???


Post# 595853 , Reply# 10   5/11/2012 at 22:41 (4,339 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Oh Paul...

toploader55's profile picture
Oh Paul...

That's all I have to say is " Oh Paul"...

OMG ... I wish I had more room... If they're what I'm Thinkin' Holy Crap... You've got a Vintage Geiger Counter these days. You're on a Roll.

(Hoping Hubby doesn't have a fit LOL)


Post# 595860 , Reply# 11   5/11/2012 at 22:55 (4,339 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Ahh

jetcone's profile picture
850's????

Post# 595865 , Reply# 12   5/11/2012 at 23:28 (4,339 days old) by HooverWheelAway ()        
Yes, that is not nice of me, but I promise, all will be rev

Oh, Robert has taught you well...  Cool


Post# 595870 , Reply# 13   5/12/2012 at 00:06 (4,339 days old) by badgerdx ()        

How you planning on hiding those from the hubby? Throwing an anti-macassar over them and strategically positioned ferns?

I love the control panel on the dryer. VERY intregued....


Post# 595881 , Reply# 14   5/12/2012 at 01:16 (4,339 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
Jon

eddy1210's profile picture
I think they are 950's.

Post# 595920 , Reply# 15   5/12/2012 at 09:34 (4,338 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
I must recuse myself from the guessing game...

bajaespuma's profile picture

OK, now you're just pissing me off.

 

I can't wait to see these! And I want extensive, penetrative photography full of Norma Desmond close-ups and maybe even a shot of the butler and the monkey.


Post# 595942 , Reply# 16   5/12/2012 at 11:53 (4,338 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

pulltostart's profile picture

Get 'em, Ken!

 

L


Post# 595946 , Reply# 17   5/12/2012 at 12:11 (4,338 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Paul,

mickeyd's profile picture
I can't wait for the show, and I'm sure it will be a doozy. You must be stick in one of your funny catastrophes.

Post# 595991 , Reply# 18   5/12/2012 at 16:05 (4,338 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Paul!!!

pdub's profile picture
Can't wait for the reveal. How exciting and congratulations.

I would have taken an earlier day off as well to get them.

Patrick


Post# 596029 , Reply# 19   5/12/2012 at 20:54 (4,338 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania )        

xraytech's profile picture

You know if hubby wont let them stay I'd gladly adopt those


Post# 596072 , Reply# 20   5/13/2012 at 00:23 (4,338 days old) by westingman123 ()        

Paul. Really. Shipping the hubby off to Switzerland just so you can sneak in that (hyperventilates) lovely set? Really?

Okay, I'd do it to.

But Drew has a point. Dontcha think we may be monitored? *LOL*

Keith


Post# 596130 , Reply# 21   5/13/2012 at 11:43 (4,337 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes!! Eddy

jetcone's profile picture
I'm with you a 950!!


Post# 596154 , Reply# 22   5/13/2012 at 13:43 (4,337 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

aldspinboy's profile picture

Hey Paul they are going fit perfectly to your collection !

Now you dont have to turn the lights on downstars right..

You have three lighted sets I beleave now ..how cool is that.

Congrats my friend.  Wink

 

Darren k


Post# 596274 , Reply# 23   5/13/2012 at 21:52 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Just got back from Ogden! The photos are all loaded and as promised, all will be revealed!

Saturday morning was a lovely day - the sun was shining, birdies singing, Jo wallowing in the still-under-construction pond that resembles a large mud puddle...

Oh, wait this is the BACK of the washer...


Post# 596277 , Reply# 24   5/13/2012 at 21:54 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Yes, it's a... V-12!

Post# 596278 , Reply# 25   5/13/2012 at 21:58 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
A Filter-Flo with mini-basket no less!!

Full marks to all who correctly identifed this as a model 950!

The complete model number is 1 WA950X1 W - I think the 'X' will date this to 1963 (a great year!!)
Serial number is PX113 468 (I don't have the GE 'decoder ring' for washers... LOL)


Post# 596279 , Reply# 26   5/13/2012 at 22:00 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
The switches are still 'paddle' style rather than the 'toggle' style I remember fondly from the V-12 GE's I grew up with.
I believe that the GE's we had were actually 1964 models - but that's a whole other thread waiting to happen!


Post# 596281 , Reply# 27   5/13/2012 at 22:02 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Load size selector is definitely 'finite'... No 'reset' setting back then!

Post# 596283 , Reply# 28   5/13/2012 at 22:04 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Timer dial looks great! Again the one I grew up with had the simple chrome dial with a pointer, with cycle text printed onto the control panel. This one is WAY fancier!!

Post# 596284 , Reply# 29   5/13/2012 at 22:05 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
The Money Shot

turquoisedude's profile picture
Inside the tub looks great - the washer has clearly been unused for a very long time. Tub looks really good and the activator is solid! YAY!

Post# 596285 , Reply# 30   5/13/2012 at 22:09 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Now, the washer was missing the original filter-flo filter pan AND the mini-basket (guess you all know why I was so curious about them in a previous thread.. hee hee)

By pure dumb luck, the repair and part person I know in Montreal (yes, the one who is holding the original Inglis dryer motor AND a 1957 AW-18 Speed Queen washer hostage...) called me just after I found this V-12 to let me know he had a V-14 with a transmission that was not worth his while to rebuild and that he was parting out. The pale green filter pan came from that washer!


Post# 596287 , Reply# 31   5/13/2012 at 22:11 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
This brings back memories! I remember the fibre-board back panel well - you had to take it off to change the hoses...

Post# 596288 , Reply# 32   5/13/2012 at 22:12 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
The inside of the machine is very clean. I don't think this washer lived in the cellar!

Post# 596289 , Reply# 33   5/13/2012 at 22:13 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Of course, Jo did not quite share my enthusiasm... He was probably thinking "To hell with your washer - play with me!!"

Post# 596290 , Reply# 34   5/13/2012 at 22:16 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Now, I did some testing before I 'closed the deal' on this set. I knew that power was getting to the washer - always a good thing!!
In all the GE (and GE clones) I have owned over the years, I never had one with a lighted console!!


Post# 596291 , Reply# 35   5/13/2012 at 22:18 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
I figured I had nothing to lose by water-testing the washer. Although hubby was not standing by with his trusty fire extinguisher...

Post# 596293 , Reply# 36   5/13/2012 at 22:20 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Just for the heck of it, I had the camera on 'movie' mode for the startup. I was thrilled!!
Hearing the 'swish-swash' of that ramp-style activator took me back to Pointe-Claire, circa 1965... Wow!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO turquoisedude's LINK


Post# 596294 , Reply# 37   5/13/2012 at 22:21 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
A quick view with the filter-flo pan in place!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO turquoisedude's LINK


Post# 596296 , Reply# 38   5/13/2012 at 22:25 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
And now for the BUT....

turquoisedude's profile picture
While I was in awe at the washer was running smoothly, I failed to notice the water cascading in the back of the washer!! Note the water trail on the outer tub...






This post was last edited 05/13/2012 at 23:19
Post# 596297 , Reply# 39   5/13/2012 at 22:27 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
And there was some 'damage in transit' from a move before I bought this washer. Good news, though, I know my parts guy kept the top from that defunct V-14. I may just be able to swap it...

Post# 596299 , Reply# 40   5/13/2012 at 22:29 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Oh yeah, there's a matching dryer here, too!

turquoisedude's profile picture
The dryer is a 'Compensated Control' - model number 920X1 W, serial number SX214 703. Nice lighted control panel, too!!

Post# 596302 , Reply# 41   5/13/2012 at 22:32 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Odd that the push buttons of the dryer don't match the flip switches on the washer.

I have never seen the 'High Speed' 'Economy' and 'Damp' settings before. My guess would be 'HIGH' 'MEDIUM' and 'LOW' heats. No 'Air' cycle on this one - the V12 I grew up with had that...


Post# 596303 , Reply# 42   5/13/2012 at 22:32 (4,337 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

philr's profile picture
Good news! I really like the console on this model!

Post# 596304 , Reply# 43   5/13/2012 at 22:34 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Timer dial matches the washer nicely!!

Post# 596306 , Reply# 44   5/13/2012 at 22:36 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
I hooked the dryer up to the 110v line only.

I'll come back to this later, but if I had followed my gut instinct of connecting the red wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the black terminal and hooked this up to a standard 220v plug, I would've had a nasty surprise!!


Post# 596307 , Reply# 45   5/13/2012 at 22:38 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Drum light lights! But, I seem to be missing the lens...

Post# 596308 , Reply# 46   5/13/2012 at 22:39 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Well, the motor runs, but I'll need to be doing a wee bit of tinkering... LOL

CLICK HERE TO GO TO turquoisedude's LINK


Post# 596309 , Reply# 47   5/13/2012 at 22:41 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
So that was Saturday... Today, my thoughts were about what was causing the leak in the washer. Time to pop the lid!

Post# 596310 , Reply# 48   5/13/2012 at 22:43 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
It did't take me long to find it... Note the cracks in the filter-flo return hose. I am hoping they still make these! This will be my next mission... LOL

Post# 596312 , Reply# 49   5/13/2012 at 22:45 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Just for the heck of it, I decided to try to pull the activator out. Well, it popped out on the first try!

This made me wish I could get back to 1973 when a GE technician told my mother that they'd have to break the activator to be able to repair an oil leak...


Post# 596313 , Reply# 50   5/13/2012 at 22:47 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
I gave it a wipe down with plain water. It's beeee-yooooo-tifull!!

Post# 596315 , Reply# 51   5/13/2012 at 22:50 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
So the last thing I did today was to recheck the wiring diagram of the dryer... They were pretty darn vague, I think. No indication of which 'hot' lead is the 110 and which is the 220! Anyway, I made notes... LOL

Next weekend, I hope to be able to tear into the dryer. I like to clean and re-lube a dryer of this vintage (and I have had practice on a few GE's so that helps).



Post# 596316 , Reply# 52   5/13/2012 at 22:52 (4,337 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Project backlog...

turquoisedude's profile picture
I am little behind in my appliance repairs... AND I have to figure out what to do with the Inglis washer and dryer set - they need work, I think I can fix 'em, but I am short on time and space... Oh, what to do...

Post# 596317 , Reply# 53   5/13/2012 at 22:52 (4,337 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()        

Great GE pair! I'm sure you will have them running perfectly.


Post# 596322 , Reply# 54   5/13/2012 at 23:53 (4,337 days old) by badgerdx ()        

Fabulous... so what happens when the hubby comes home and discovers that his schmoopie has been "a busy little shopper"? (grin)

Post# 596331 , Reply# 55   5/14/2012 at 00:41 (4,337 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

philr's profile picture
Paul,
Do you plan have it wired for a 110V circuit? I think it's pretty well explained. I just don't know what the gray wire is for but I'm sure other members can explain or send a detailed wiring diagram! I'm wondering if this dryer is designed to work on the automatic cycle too with a 110 volts connection?

If you want to run it on 220V, it's also nicely explained! The potential difference between the two hot wires (red and black) is 220V (or 236V!) and the white neutral combined with either the red or the black (in this case, the red one) gives you 110V for the motor/timer/light.

Just don't forget to remove the internal ground wire to the neutral terminal (if it's not already done!) as we can't have a combined ground/neutral here!

I'm wondering if any 220V/240V dryer could be converted to 110V? In the following link, someone posted that older GE and Whirlpool-made dryers could. How about the other brands?


CLICK HERE TO GO TO PhilR's LINK




This post was last edited 05/14/2012 at 00:56
Post# 596362 , Reply# 56   5/14/2012 at 06:45 (4,337 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

gansky1's profile picture
That's a really beautiful set! The washer sounds great in the video and the small leak should be easy to fix, I just love those black rubber filter-flo spouts!

Post# 596364 , Reply# 57   5/14/2012 at 06:48 (4,337 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

pulltostart's profile picture
Phil,
Absolutely wonderful pair!!! Congratulations on a great acquisition. You MUST make these first priority and share all the photos.

BTW, I don't believe there was a lens on that dryer lamp.

Lawrence


Post# 596367 , Reply# 58   5/14/2012 at 07:23 (4,336 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

swestoyz's profile picture

Woah, woah, woah, you're on a roll!  Beautiful GE set, and the activator looks minty fresh too!  The hose shouldn't be a huge issue. 

 

Congrats on yet another beautiful set!

 

Ben




This post was last edited 05/14/2012 at 09:15
Post# 596368 , Reply# 59   5/14/2012 at 07:36 (4,336 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Cool GE Washer and Dryer

combo52's profile picture

WOW you are really in trouble now Paul, LOL. It always nice to find a washer that was retired long ago and stored in decent conditions, I wouldn't try to change out the washers top over a chip on the side unless there are other problems with the top, it is not that difficult to repair a chip.

 

This dryer is always one of my favorites from this time period for good electric dryers. All three buttons give you the same temperature with this dryer. The Hi Speed and Damp buttons use both heaters on 240 volts and the Economy button operates both heaters on 120 volts to save electrical power, total savings of around 14% per load. The neat thing about this dryer is the time temperature compensated control system allows automatic drying and proper shut off on any of the different settings even if you run the dryer on 120 volt power only. As Phil noted it is clearly explained on the back of the dryer how to properly connect the dryer to 120 volts and it also explains how to adjust the control thermostat so the dryer will work properly on 120 , 208 or 240 volts, you will love this dryer.

 

Don't forget to tell Chris that you got this dryer to save power, even on 240 volts it will use 25% less power than the 1956 WP.


Post# 596390 , Reply# 60   5/14/2012 at 09:09 (4,336 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

pulltostart's profile picture
Those "paddle" switches are just too cool - IMHO nicer than the later "toggles" (not to 'dis anyone associated with this group, of course).

BTW, should we send someone to check on Ken?

L


Post# 596391 , Reply# 61   5/14/2012 at 09:17 (4,336 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Oh Happy Day!

bajaespuma's profile picture

A couple of pieces of business:

  • Unless I'm mistaken, there was no lens for the dryer drum light. When they changed the design in 1959, they did away with the lenses.
  • Hard to replace that cabinet top because you have a rare one there with a bleach funnel hole cut into it. Ignore the chip.
  • Unless I'm mistaken, there are light bulbs behind the dials on both the washer and the dryer that need to be replaced for dazzling illumination
  • Since you have been able to remove the beautiful black bakelite Activator, if you want to use the Mini-Wash feature, you can temporarily swap out the Activator with either a standard-sized straight-6 or ramped newer version with accompanying mini-basket. Which will help prevent the Activator getting rusted to the spline. Until you are lucky enough to find NOS. And I think you've been pretty damn lucky here( if you're hearing seething envy here, that's normal).

Mazel-freaking-tov! (which is Yiddish for "Aferim"!)

Did you say where you got these from?

 


Post# 596400 , Reply# 62   5/14/2012 at 10:27 (4,336 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Sooooo Purrrrdy!!!!

revvinkevin's profile picture

 

 

WOW Paul, those are really AWESOME, CONGRATSULATIONS!!!   I just LOVE that they have lights!  YAY!   

So yes, what's the story behind them?   How long have they been sitting and where did they come from?

 

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

 

Ken: Lovely illustration on the GE set, as usual, really like the pink!

 

Kevin


Post# 596405 , Reply# 63   5/14/2012 at 10:47 (4,336 days old) by westingman123 ()        

Cool! They put that dryer thru its paces, didn't they?

The control panels (lights, no less!) are just gorgeous.

Now, where will THESE go in the laundry room? Soon you shall need a laundry wing!

K


Post# 596420 , Reply# 64   5/14/2012 at 11:59 (4,336 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

Well good news - someone is too busy at his conference in Geneva to be checking out the activity on the board here... LOL

 

Phil and John - about the wiring,  I was afraid of what might have happened if I'd taken a new dryer power cord and hooked it up matching the wires on the terminal block.  IF I'd connected the red wire from the power cord to the red wire on the dryer terminal, I'd have sent 220v to the timer and lights...  My knowledge of electric wiring is not extensive by any means, so I had trouble interpreting which lead was the hot 220 and which was the hot 110... That's why I like ask questions here, though - I don't have all the answers and I am learning all the time! 

 

John - thanks for the details about the drying power!  I'll be using that power usage angle with Chris for sure, although he'll probably suggest that Whirlpool can go... I think NOT!

 

Ken - as always, your illustrations are wonderful!    Thanks for the info about the dryer light lens and the timer dial lamps.  I'll be checking that out come the weekend!  I will also keep an eye out for a spare agitator until an original mini-basket surfaces, too.

 

Kevin and Ken - these were found as a set at Hansen's in Queensbury NY.  I was there a few weeks ago in my ever-fruitless-and-getting-desparate search for parts/advice/service for the GE Wall Refrigerator that's still out of service when I spotted these.  I nearly passed out...  I decided on the spot that I HAD to have them!!   They are far nicer than the basic models that I grew up with, too!!  

 

I am soooooo looking forward to getting these into the Ogden Laundry!    As Darren pointed out, there will be no need for other lights in the basement  with this latest lighted addition!! 


Post# 596434 , Reply# 65   5/14/2012 at 12:25 (4,336 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
The video

mickeyd's profile picture

I was surprised to hear the same sounds and see the same initial low agitation before the rush. Didn't know the old machines had the same transmission as the older ones. Amazing. GE is dependable and relaible like Maytag. Don't fix it if it ain't broken. Relieved that the catastrophe was tiny. Paul, Switzerland does not have the Internets according to GWB, so relax ;'D He'll know nahhhtingue.




This post was last edited 05/14/2012 at 14:40
Post# 596461 , Reply# 66   5/14/2012 at 13:04 (4,336 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

philr's profile picture

Paul,

The black wire is "Hot 110" and the red wire is also "Hot 110", together, they "make" 220V.

 

Either the red OR the black wire combined with the white neutral make 110V. You can even reverse the black and red wires from the power cord and the dryer, it won't make a difference. But you can't plug either (black or red) wires from the power cord to the white (neutral) wire of the dryer because that's how you'll damage parts like the timer, motor and lights... And you need to remove the wire that grounds the dryer body to the white wire terminal as grounding on the neutral isn't allowed here in Canada.

 

If you look at your home breaker panel, you'll see that two 110-120 volts wires enter the panel and one out of two breakers are connected to one side and those between are connected to the other side (except to my knowledge in those stupid Federal Pacific (FPE)/ now Federal Pioneer panels that are still allowed in Canada and sold by Schneider Electric, the company that also sells the good SquareD panels!).

Now, you'll notice that double breakers should have a red and a black wire attached to them. That's how you get 220-240V. The white wires should mostly be attached to the neutral bar which provides 110-120V when combined with either a black or red wire. And then there are the uncovered ground wires attached to the panel itself. 

In Canada, there is a strange way to wire some kitchen 110V outlets on double pole breakers. Just like 240V installations. One red wire and one black wire go to each screws of the "hot" side of a 110V outlet (with the tab removed between both) and the white wire goes to the neutral side (without the tab removed). That makes two independent 15 amps 110V circuits on the same breaker with 14-3 wiring. What I don't understand is how the white 14 wire is considered adequate for two 15 amps circuits, but I won't go further as this isn't related to this topic!

 

I hope my English vocabulary was better! If what I wrote isn't clear, I'll try to explain you better at home!


Post# 596463 , Reply# 67   5/14/2012 at 13:15 (4,336 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

aldspinboy's profile picture

Would this hat be wounderful to that model my friend !

Tell me...

This will just sit here...in my laundry space better for it to be ( Actavated  ) dont ya think lol..

Great machines Paul !

I offer this one to Robert ...

Well you know ..... He had IT !

That Robert .

Darren k Cool




This post was last edited 05/14/2012 at 13:33
Post# 596469 , Reply# 68   5/14/2012 at 14:02 (4,336 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        
take off agitation

joefuss1984's profile picture

I have always been curious why the GE's start on low agitation and then switch?  I love the sounds of a GE tho!


Post# 596474 , Reply# 69   5/14/2012 at 14:14 (4,336 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

unimatic1140's profile picture
Wow Paul, that is an absolutely beautiful set!!!! Congrats, that is if you get to keep it once hubby gets home :-D

GE had such beautiful machines from 1957 thru the early 70's!


Post# 596484 , Reply# 70   5/14/2012 at 14:22 (4,336 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

aldspinboy's profile picture

See Paul ...

Cant give him no=thing lol.

 

Darren k


Post# 596506 , Reply# 71   5/14/2012 at 16:02 (4,336 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Glad they are living up to expectations Paul...

firedome's profile picture
just got back home yesterday, it was fun being "present at the creation" with Phil!

Post# 596530 , Reply# 72   5/14/2012 at 18:41 (4,336 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Dryer Power Hook-Ups Etc

combo52's profile picture

Phil your explanations were correct, except that there is no such thing as 110 or 220 volts in north America any longer. It is all 120-240 on single phase systems or 120-208 on three phase systems now. Phil the shared white neutral system for two circuits is legal here and used frequently, it saves running extra wires and saves copper wire. It works because the red and black wires are on different legs coming into the electric panel so as the 60 cycle current cycles back and forth from the red to black side the white neutral is never carrying power from the black and red side at the same time. I hope this explanation makes sense as is often the case I know how something works but I have seldom had to put it in writing.


Post# 596535 , Reply# 73   5/14/2012 at 19:23 (4,336 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
not to digress too much

akronman's profile picture

110volts----120-----125--------Shortly before World War One, the US and Canadian electric plants needed to standardize, to better allow manufacturers of lighting/motors/"new-fangled" electrical equipment to continue their production and R&D.  It was agreed that 125 volts would be the max, if you were located extremely close to a power plant or substation, and that a minimum of 110 would be guaranteed at the distant end, miles or states away end of the early grids. With modern wiring and a continent wide grid and a thoroughly established distribution system, 120 is typically what now shows up in households near to and far from the main plants.

That and $2.25 will get me a cup of coffee.


Post# 596536 , Reply# 74   5/14/2012 at 19:34 (4,336 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture
Wow - this has been enlightening. I always thought that when a three-wire cable was used on a range or dryer that the red wire delivered 240v and the black wire delivered 120v... Thinking about the split-wired outlets in my own kitchen in Ogden and the input from Phil and John, I finally get it that where there are two wires (black and red) they are both 120v and that internally in the appliance in question, these connections are 'daisy chained' to provide a hot 240v supply for high-power components like heating elements.
I think I got that right, no??
If not, think twice about ever letting me near your house wiring... LOL


Post# 596556 , Reply# 75   5/14/2012 at 22:18 (4,336 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

philr's profile picture

John,

I know that the power is closer to 120V/240V and that's why I used both 110/120V and 220/240V in my previous posts because of the instructions at the back of Paul's dryer which talked about 110-220V.  I'm still wondering what the gray wire is for on his dryer. This is the wire that's not used on 220-240V installations. Is it for an extra set of heating elements?

 

And thanks about your explanation about the shared white/neutral for two (hot red/hot black) circuits, it makes a lot of sense!

I had no idea it was also used in the US. I guess that it could be a problem if a careless electrician uses a split breaker for a circuit like that or a double breaker on the wrong spot in a FPE panel (then the red and black wires would be on the same circuit...).

 

BTW, do you know if the ground on the neutral wire of the dryer is still allowed on newer installations in the US? Are there any safety issues with these?

 

Paul,

 

I think you got it right now! And many 240V connections (like for heating devices or a hot water tank) don't need 120V so the neutral wire is omitted for these. The 12/2 wires which are mostly used for 20 amp 240V circuits usually have black and red wires instead of the black and white wires like the 14/2 wires which are more often used for 120V / 15A applications.

I have seen a few houses where 14/2 wire have been used for the baseboard heaters. Most of those at my parent's home are like that. I guess that explains why the electrician incorrectly wired two heaters to a single pole breaker and neutral and they (barely) heated on 110V for many years until I found about it... I had to install a 15A double pole breaker for them as the wire is too small for the usual 20 amps breaker used for these heaters...

 

This is off topic but I'd be curious to compare the electrical installations in the US/Canada with those in Europe. From what I have seen, it seems that much smaller wires are used in Europe, probably mainly because they use higher voltage which requires less amps. But what about the appliances like electric ranges that require big 8-3 240V wires here? I don't know how they wire electric ranges or dryers there but I'd be curious to learn more about that, and how they managed to convert some of their installation from 110-120V to 220-240V back in the fifties (I think) and why they did that (now, they need transformers to operate some older 120V appliances like old fridges)...




This post was last edited 05/14/2012 at 22:40
Post# 596695 , Reply# 76   5/15/2012 at 14:18 (4,335 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

turquoisedude's profile picture

Ok back to topic...  LOL

 

Would anyone happen to know the GE part number for the filter-flo recirculation hose??   Naturally, I'd like to replace this with an original or as close to original as possible.   My alterative would be to stop the leaks with high-heat epoxy....

 

 


Post# 596697 , Reply# 77   5/15/2012 at 14:37 (4,335 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        

eddy1210's profile picture

Hi Paul,

 

I'm pretty sure it's WH41X297.  It's NLA but there should be some out there...  even a good used one will work for you.  


Post# 596737 , Reply# 78   5/15/2012 at 19:41 (4,335 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

frigilux's profile picture
Wow, a beautiful GE set! Hubby will just have to understand....again, LOL!

Post# 596743 , Reply# 79   5/15/2012 at 20:53 (4,335 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
enjoyed reading your thread

rollermatic's profile picture
paul and the video as well. i always liked those old g.e. washers, especially the control panels.

my aunt had one before she got her 65 rollermatic. i remember it also had toggle type switches like yours does.

and i love those buttons on the dryer also, especially the "economy" setting. never seen that before!

have fun with them!


Post# 596744 , Reply# 80   5/15/2012 at 21:01 (4,335 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
WH41X297 hose

I Googled that number and found a place that lists that hose (based on a much newer model's part breakdown.)

Perhaps they actually have one...


CLICK HERE TO GO TO dnastrau's LINK



Forum Index:       Other Forums:                      



Comes to the Rescue!

The Discuss-o-Mat has stopped, buzzer is sounding!!!
If you would like to reply to this thread please log-in...

Discuss-O-MAT Log-In



New Members
Click Here To Sign Up.



                     


automaticwasher.org home
Discuss-o-Mat Forums
Vintage Brochures, Service and Owners Manuals
Fun Vintage Washer Ephemera
See It Wash!
Video Downloads
Audio Downloads
Picture of the Day
Patent of the Day
Photos of our Collections
The Old Aberdeen Farm
Vintage Service Manuals
Vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher to sell?
Technical/service questions?
Looking for Parts?
Website related questions?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy
Our Privacy Policy