Newest top loaders with NO paddles??

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Newest top loaders with NO paddles??

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Post# 599231 5/27/2012 at 08:35 (360 days old) by nrones (Belgrade, Serbia)
Hello guys, when I go into a washing machine store, I usually never look on top loaders.. they just aren't interesting to me. But I take a look once in a while, and I noticed something strange. All Fagor made top loaders (Gorenje, Bosch, Siemens, San-Giorgio etc), and Candy made top loaders are virtually having NO paddles in the drum. Fagor has one wide but small in height that you can remoove to clean filter, and on other 2 places where paddle is supposed to go, there are just 2 pairs of small bumps. Candy has one in rectangular shape, 0.7cm high, and on other 2 places where paddles are supposed to go - same as Fagor, just 2 pairs of small bumps.. Remember this is only for the newest both Fagor and Candy.. when I looked them both in March, paddles were normal... Anyone know how is laundry supposed to rotate with virtually NO paddles? Dex the picture is the fagor made - paddle looks big, but really low, and only one in the drum.. I'll try to find a pic from new Candy drum later

Post# 599241 , Reply# 1 5/27/2012 at 09:36 (360 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)
I love H-axis toploaders! When I was in a store recently, I noticed it too that there is only one baffle in the drum of the newer toploaders. Apparently it works, but it it hard to make sure ofcourse because you can't look on the inside.

Post# 599243 , Reply# 2 5/27/2012 at 10:25 (360 days old) by nrones (Belgrade, Serbia)
*Top loaders* Hey Louis :) I especially waited for your reply, because I know you are kinda euro top load specialist :) I would love to see somehow how is the turnover inside them..buggs me to be honest.. Do you have an account in any consumer organisation? Have they maybe noticed poorer wash results in newest models either Fagor or Candy made? I would kinda understand if it was a normal one baffle (triangular shape 2-3cm high), but this is isn't even that

Post# 599245 , Reply# 3 5/27/2012 at 11:03 (360 days old) by aegokocarat (Cearphily county South Wales)
my new whirlpool awe6517 has 3 proper plastic paddles, you can remove the bottom paddle to retrieve anything that has slipped between the drum and tub

Post# 599246 , Reply# 4 5/27/2012 at 11:05 (360 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)
I had a Hotpoint TL for 5 years with exactly this arrangement and I was VERY sceptical at first having had a Servis TL with 3 baffles. I have to say the cleaning performance was excellent, although it was not possible to see wat the turnover was like, you could 'hear' it. My experience was that the turnover was not as good on very small loads but I rarely wash loads less than the maximum capacity. It was more of a 'flop' than a tumble. Full loads sounded fine!

Post# 599247 , Reply# 5 5/27/2012 at 11:20 (360 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
*And then there's Staber . . .* Sounds German, made in the USA, engineered for do-it-yourself maintenance and marketed mainly to off-the-grid folks. The hexagonal drum has NO fins/baffles/paddles. Staber claims the design (hexagonal drum within a semi-hexagonal tank) forces more wash water through the load than round drums. Your mileage, of course, may vary. CLICK HERE TO GO TO joeekaitis's LINK

Post# 599265 , Reply# 6 5/27/2012 at 13:26 (360 days old) by aegokocarat (Cearphily county South Wales)
just had a good look at the lifter bars on my whirlpool, they have a slight curve to them (sort of like the aquacycle lifter bars found in older zanussi's) Tom :) P.S the pic below is of my whirlpool btw

Post# 599267 , Reply# 7 5/27/2012 at 13:42 (360 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)
I guess listening is the best way to determine if the laundry tumbles well. I don't have any experience with these machines. And the Dutch consumer organisation (I'm a member) hasn't tested a toploader in ages. I guess we will have to depend on the EU label they get for cleaning efficiency. One point though. The drums of such toploaders are a bit wider than the drums of frontloaders. It might help with tumbling, the drum might turnover a little faster with the same rpm. Yes, the Staber. It's an odd machine. The drum is small compared to the size of the machine. It is rather expensive if you consider that it is a very basic machine. And further, there is no dealer network or so, which means that you have to do the repairs yourself. Problem is that there were issues with these machines, they were not as dependable as they were supposed to be.

Post# 599273 , Reply# 8 5/27/2012 at 14:36 (360 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)
My Drean Family semi automatic HATL also has only one baffle but the drum has 4 other bumpers (thick as a finger). Cleaning is great and I can hear the load tumbling unevenly. The wash portion of the longest cycle takes only 20 minutes and it cleans vigorously. Water level is high, almost close to the drum axis and the drum spins a little bit faster than front loaders during the wash.

Post# 599277 , Reply# 9 5/27/2012 at 15:01 (360 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)
Its rare to find a Bosch / Siemens top loaders here, especially after the last line with small display, and old layout. These were the ones that Bosch actually made. However my local store has now started to stock a Bosch Clasixx 6 top Loader (could be part of the new UK line up, though its not in there brochure, so don't know, could be limited edition - Like the Clasixx 5's?? plus not on Co-Op electrical website either) - This machine looks similar to those in Germany, no display, dial for spin, dial for wash etc, inside is a drum as shown in the picture, but there is also 2 further paddles, just at either side of the door opener, so 3 in total, one thing I notice is these have a steep side, and a shallow side, just like the Bosch Exxcel's (Avantixx) and Logixx's so I suppose it will work like the old models?? Tumble longer on the steep side? Unless the shop floor is different to the actual ones your going to get? The Hotpoint latest top loader (either Polish or Russian) here in the UK, has one plastic panel at the bottom plus, as described before, finger like bumps. It surely can't turn over small loads though, they will roll over then stop until the drum has made a complete rotation > Maybe its cost cutting?

Post# 599287 , Reply# 10 5/27/2012 at 16:22 (360 days old) by nrones (Belgrade, Serbia)
*Interesting* I just don't know what to think..Euro labels keep the A class, but really it is the last thing anyone should belive. As far as I could see, only Miele and Whirlpool have 3 paddles. As Glendfieldmathk said, Hotpoint (Indesit) also one...seems like everyone got pretty quickly into it... oh yeah about savings - I found some interesting info about how Manufacturers decide to make a cut in quality (not simple and cheerful as everyone thinks), but that will be for other thread when I complete the whole info :) As promised, I found a preview of drum in Candy. In the link is the video, scroll down to 1:05 and you see the "buffle" or whatever.. But also look at that cubical thing that is on the drum door too... maybe it can help with something? Dex CLICK HERE TO GO TO nrones's LINK

Post# 599400 , Reply# 11 5/28/2012 at 02:33 (359 days old) by Maturasigma (Germany)
I have 3 Miele Topload washers, and all of them have 3 metal paddies. Only my little AEG Lavamat 664 have plastic one, but 3 too. The new Bosch/Siemens Toploaders here have only 1 Paddie on the bottom of the drum, looks like the Fagor on the top of this Thread. @aegokocarat: My grandma has the same Whirlpool Topload washer with 1000rpm and she hate the washer, it uses so less of water and a boilwash needs 3hours. And it is reeeeealy noise

Post# 599417 , Reply# 12 5/28/2012 at 04:50 (359 days old) by aegokocarat (Cearphily county South Wales)
3hours?! Wow thats long! But i disagree, the cycle times in my whirlpool are shorter than that, 2 hours for a boilwash and 1hour and 30 mins for a 60* wash and 1hour and 30mins for a 40* wash, i also find mine very quiet especially when its compared to my hotpoint hv6l105p

Post# 599438 , Reply# 13 5/28/2012 at 09:47 (359 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Back in 2004, when I was an intern at WP Germany, they were evaluating the idea of only putting one paddle inside their washers.

Post# 599439 , Reply# 14 5/28/2012 at 10:03 (359 days old) by nrones (Belgrade, Serbia)
*One paddle* Well, as I said, I kinda could understand 1 paddle in the drum (but paddle triangular shape 2-3cm high) - but this - this is nothing, but still I am not going to say anything directly negative, as I haven't tried them to see the wash performance :) But what logixx said is interesting.. they were evaluating, but so far, they are one of rare top loaders that have 3 propper paddles in the drum Dex

Post# 599495 , Reply# 15 5/28/2012 at 15:12 (359 days old) by Maturasigma (Germany)
*Paddie high* In my Philips Whirlpool Washer the paddies are 10cm high and in the eudora too. in the miele washers them are around 6cm. the smallest have the EBD Easy WA2114 at my place them are only3cm high, but there are 4 in the drum.

Post# 599635 , Reply# 16 5/29/2012 at 09:25 (358 days old) by chris74 (Germany)
*Only one plastic paddle...* ...has our Candy 7EVEN wich is now almost two years old. I think as one's said before, it is more like a flop than a tumble. Poor! The Staber Washer looks very cheap and the strange direction the drum takes reminds me of French wahers...

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