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Cruise-O-Matic: Part One
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Post# 601054   6/4/2012 at 23:37 (379 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   

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Vintage advertisements of automobiles and trucks. You just knew this one was around the corner didn't ya'? Yep everything related to cars, trucks and their accessories from a bygone era. So slide into the drivers seat, buckle-up, adjust the mirrors, slip a disc into the Highway-Hi-Fi and finally press D on the TorqueFlite. You're cruising baby...enjoy the ride!

 

As always, please make sure all advertisements or images you post do not contain any watermarks or copyrights from any individuals or websites.





Post# 601055 , Reply# 1   6/4/2012 at 23:39 (379 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Kaiser-Frazer 1947

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Post# 601056 , Reply# 2   6/4/2012 at 23:40 (379 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Hudson 1950

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Post# 601057 , Reply# 3   6/4/2012 at 23:41 (379 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Scout 1961

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Post# 601058 , Reply# 4   6/4/2012 at 23:42 (379 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Valiant 1962

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Post# 601065 , Reply# 5   6/4/2012 at 23:51 (379 days old) by petek (Sarnia Ontario)          
 
 
   

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As a kid I always thought that Valiants looked kind of odd. Now when I see them they do look sorta stylish.

Post# 601069 , Reply# 6   6/5/2012 at 00:26 (379 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Studebaker 1962

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Post# 601070 , Reply# 7   6/5/2012 at 00:26 (379 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Ford 1962

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Post# 601072 , Reply# 8   6/5/2012 at 01:01 (379 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)          
 
 
   
Studebaker Hawk . . .

While the ad above may have debuted in '61, the car is a '62. '62 was an important year for the Hawk as Brooks Stevens gave it a much needed makover. The original Raymond Lowey design was a landmark in '53, but through the years Studebaker had added not very attractive tailfins and in general compromised the design, plus it was getting quite dated. Stevens fixed all that on a very tight budget and the revised Hawk lasted through the end of Studebaker's American production at the beginning of the '64 model year.

 

When I was small an aunt of mine had the same Hawk GT pictured: black with red bucket seats and a four speed transmission, a very pretty car.


Post# 601076 , Reply# 9   6/5/2012 at 01:50 (379 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))          
 
 
   

The later Studebakers were so stylish, it was hard to believe they went out of business.

No offense to anyone who owns one, but Corvair and Falcon were about as stylish as a ball of mud compared to Valiant. Falcon improved with sharper lines in 1964. Corvair never did. They put a beak on it but that's about all.

Not knowing or saying about the mechanical integrity of the above. Corvair definitely had chronic problems. Leaking oil and throwing the fan belt were just two. Then there was the swing axle that spawned the book "Unsafe At Any Speed". But Volkswagens used almost the same rear suspension until 1967.

The subject "Cruise-O-Matic" raises some interesting issues. The base transmission was Fordomatic, introduced (Wiki) in 1951. The design and most assembly was Borg-Warner (yes, THAT Borg-Warner, Norge). It was a 3-speed that started in 2nd unless you put the lever in L or floored it.

I don't know the exact year of transition, but by 1961 Fordomatic had become a 2-speed comparable to Chevy's Powerglide and Cruise-O-Matic was an upsell. By 1964 Cruise-O-Matic was the only trans Ford sold. It had 2 D positions, the primary one started in 1st and the secondary started in 2nd like the original Fordomatic.


Post# 601139 , Reply# 10   6/5/2012 at 08:58 (378 days old) by washernoob (Omaha Nebraska)          
 
 
   

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Cruise-o-matic is the transmission that came with the Thunderbird. A smooth shifting beast it was! Our 1961 thunderbird was a pure joy to drive. Not the fastest car in the world, but very smooth none the less, even at 50 years old. I do miss it. Was a gorgeous car. I have some ads for it somewhere that I can scan.


Looks like little Miss housewife is set. She has 2 beautiful new fords, a 61 falcon, and thunderbird. And a well kept home. She probably skipped on the Air conditioning option as I can see because its a convertible, thats all the AC you need.


Post# 601140 , Reply# 11   6/5/2012 at 08:59 (378 days old) by washernoob (Omaha Nebraska)          
 
 
   

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That reminds me, I wonder if there are any Kennedy photographs out there depicting them riding in the 1961 thunderbirds. I know the Kennedy's were highly fond of them, but had to drive Lincolns.

Post# 601143 , Reply# 12   6/5/2012 at 09:14 (378 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.)          
 
 
   
Cruise-O-Matic came out in 1958

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and the kick down feature (where flooring the accelerator caused the tranny to go into first gear) on the original Ford-O-Matic Drive was not introduced until 1955. Ford-O-Matic became a true 2 speed tranny for 1959 and was dropped after the 1963. PAT COFFEY

Post# 601144 , Reply# 13   6/5/2012 at 09:17 (378 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)          
 
 
   

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Post# 601149 , Reply# 14   6/5/2012 at 09:39 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Nash 1956

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Post# 601150 , Reply# 15   6/5/2012 at 09:40 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Oldsmobile 1971

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Post# 601153 , Reply# 16   6/5/2012 at 09:50 (378 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)          
 
 
   

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Such high hopes. Such lousy fuel economy (11 to 13 mpg). But once you got used to throttle lag, it was a rocket and the engine sounded like a taxiing jet aircraft.




Post# 601155 , Reply# 17   6/5/2012 at 10:09 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
OMG! The Chrysler Turbine!

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One of the most stunning cars I've ever seen!


Post# 601168 , Reply# 18   6/5/2012 at 11:01 (378 days old) by franksdad (Greenville, South Carolina)          
 
 
   

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Didn't the Valiant have a pushbutton transmission selector?  My brother's brother-in-law had a four door model just like the one pictured above and I remember I was fascinated by the pushbuttons!

 

My brother had an IH Scout for about a year.  His was green also.  I loved that vehicle.  He traded it away - I don't know why.   I wish he had held on to it and gave it to me when I came of age.   

 

Louie, I am loving your vintage advertisement threads.  I remember back when I was in college I'd sometimes go to the library and look thru vintage magazines just to look at the advertisements!  Looking at vintage magazine advertisements in antique and junk stores is one of my favorite things to do when I have the time.  Thanks for your hard work!  Jim


Post# 601179 , Reply# 19   6/5/2012 at 12:00 (378 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)          
 
 
   
Swing axles and Corvairs, etc . . .

Swing axles were used by a variety of manufacturers for decades. Mercedes had them by the mid ‘30s, and Alfa used them as well in the pre-war and immediate post-war period. The design has way too much camber change but this isn’t a huge problem with very narrow tires which is why it worked on cars of that era.

 

Mostly swing axles were used by manufacturers of rear engine cars as it was the cheapest possible way to make an independent rear suspension, which is required on a rear engine car (excepting a deDion suspension which is more complex and expensive). In addition to VW and Corvair, other manufacturers of cars with swing axles at the rear included Porsche, NSU, Tatra, Renault, Alpine, and Skoda. Borgward, Pontiac and Triumph used them on front engined cars - the original Tempest used a Corvair derived transaxle and rear suspension. All of these cars share the nasty trait of a swing axle rear end, which is that if the driver brakes sharply in a corner there is a good chance the car will try to spin. Used properly, this can aid in maneuvering the car in a corner which is one reason the Porsche 356 was so quick on tight courses. Used improperly by an uninformed driver it results in a spin.

 

The first generation of Corvair was actually well engineered for a rear engine, swing axle car, certainly way better than anything from VW or Renault. Chevy was smart enough to make it low and have a low center of gravity and a fairly wide track. By the standards of the day it wasn’t dangerous, but it did handle very differently from any other Chevy; a driver who didn’t bother to learn this could get into a lot of trouble. Many owners also ignored Chevy’s recommended tire pressures which were much lower in the front than rear, and were critical for proper handling.

 

The second generation Corvair introduced in ‘65 was vastly improved by a completely new four-joint independent rear suspension. Many critics felt it to be the best handling American sedan made, and it certainly had the most sophisticated rear suspension of any American car outside of the Corvette. The Corvair was expensive to make as it had many parts not shared with other GM cars. Chevy tried to make up for this by promoting the Corvair as a sporty car - one reason they dropped the wagon, van and pickup variants after ‘64 - and let the Chevy II do battle with the Falcon and Valiant as an economy car. The ‘65 also had an all new and very beautiful body - arguably some of the best design GM did during an era when Bill Mitchell as head of GM design had pulled the company out of the Harley Earl tailfins and chrome ‘50s era and into a way more sophisticated look. None of this made up for the poor profits the Corvair made due to the production expense and low sales volume of a niche car. Chevy was glad to pull the plug in ‘69, but it wasn’t Ralph Nader’s poorly researched book or bad handling that killed the Corvair, it was money.

 

VW kept swing axles until the ‘69 model year (‘68 for semi-automatic cars), while Mercedes used them through ‘72 on their top of the line models. By then they had spent endless hours creating the "low-pivot" swing axle that featured only one CV joint, so the differential actually pivots slightly with one of the halfshafts as the road wheel moves up and down. It was a splendid example of using careful design development to make a very mediocre concept work acceptably, but nobody was surprised when they abandoned it with the new S-Class introduced for ‘73.


Post# 601180 , Reply# 20   6/5/2012 at 12:07 (378 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )          
 
 
   
Pushbutton...

ALL Chrysler products with automatic were pushbutton from 56 thru 64, To me, the best feature EVER!

Post# 601186 , Reply# 21   6/5/2012 at 12:27 (378 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)          
 
 
   

'66 Imperial limos also had pushbuttons as they were based on cars Chrysler shipped to Ghia in Italy for conversion to limos. If not enough limos were ordered one year they kept the cars in storage and updated the grills and other small features for the new model year, but didn't bother to swap out the buttons. Lynn Townsend, head of Chrysler for many years, supposedly didn't like pushbuttons. He spent much of his career working hard to make Chrysler abandon most anything that made them special and different from Ford and GM.

 

My aunt who had the '62 Studie Hawk also had an early Barracuda, white with blue vinyl bucket seats, 273 V-8 and pushbutton Torqueflite. I think this must have been rare on Barracudas as I've been told by Chrysler people that Barracudas never had pushbuttons, but I remember very clearly watching my 17 year old cousin manually shift it by punching the buttons accelerating from a stoplight (at full throttle of course) and then telling me in no uncertain terms "Don't tell Mother!"

 

Pic is of turbine car cruising Burbank last year: whooooooosh!


Post# 601194 , Reply# 22   6/5/2012 at 12:59 (378 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)          
 
 
   

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My father had a 61' Valiant. I hated that thing. It was white outside with a gaudy green interior. It had a slant 6 in it and the darned thing never ran right. Body shaking idle roughness and stalling on heavy acceleration were the main problems.
He took it in to the dealer on many occasions and they couldn't fix it. It also rattled like a tin can with BB's in it. Probably the worst car I had ever been exposed to.
Another design feature. All the controls and instruments were in a "pod" like thing mounted under the windshield. The rest of the dashboard was flat. In fact the radio speaker under the windshield faced the passengers rather than the windshield.
But you could hardly hear the radio for all the knocking and rattling noises the engine made while driving. But passengers in the front seat had wonderful leg room.

Those 53-55' Raymond Lowe Studebakers were my favorite car growing up. I had an uncle that had I think a 54' It was black outside with a gold interior. That was a wonderful combination and the instrument panel design was more like an aircraft than a car.
I had an uncle who had one. I first took notice of it around 1958 and whenever I would go over to look at it he'd shoo me away. He'd say "It's not running, or "something on it is broken" but they kept that car until 61' or so. But I do remember my uncle telling my father that it was a very fast car.

The 64' Ford Galaxy 500 XL convertible replaced the Valiant as my fathers car. It had a Cruise-O'-Matic trans in it and a 390 cid with a 4bbl carb. It was somewhat fast but was a very heavy car. It used a lot of power to just get rolling. By 67' it was a mess, blown head gasket, bad lifters, transmission going south on him.

My sister had a Renault Alliance, the first new car she ever bought. It actually was a good car. She and her husband liked it a lot.I think it was too little too late for AMC however. They kept it for about 5 years until her husband got a Plymouth Acclaim as a company car. I rented one once and found those Acclaim's to be rather nice cars. Quite riding, plenty of power and nice and stable on the freeways. And they weren't all that expensive either.


Post# 601202 , Reply# 23   6/5/2012 at 13:29 (378 days old) by washernoob (Omaha Nebraska)          
 
 
   

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Hyrdralique.....

The car is beautiful, but I think the Driver is more famous than the car. :)


Post# 601210 , Reply# 24   6/5/2012 at 14:03 (378 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)          
 
 
   
Did Sub Zero make the Alliance? LOL

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A good friend of mine had a Renault Alliance, we called it the "Appliance" because it was literally always needing a minor repair, sometimes blossoming into a major one.  She took beautiful care of the car, even still smelled new inside.  A drunk driver smashed into her late one night and totaled the Appliance, the car was mangled but she walked away without a scratch. 


Post# 601222 , Reply# 25   6/5/2012 at 14:37 (378 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)          
 
 
   
''Pic is of turbine car cruising Burbank last year:

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Jay Leno behind the wheel.


Post# 601228 , Reply# 26   6/5/2012 at 14:52 (378 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area)          
 
 
   

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I love the Studebaker GT's.  I'd have one if I could afford it and had the storage space.  Very sporty, and if I'm not mistaken, powered by Ford. 


Post# 601231 , Reply# 27   6/5/2012 at 15:08 (378 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)          
 
 
   
1972 Chrysler Imperial

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My favorite year of Imperial.

Post# 601232 , Reply# 28   6/5/2012 at 15:15 (378 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)          
 
 
   
1973 Lincoln Continental

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73 and 78 are my favorite year for the Continental. Such beauties they were.


Post# 601233 , Reply# 29   6/5/2012 at 15:19 (378 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)          
 
 
   

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Another ad for 1973

Post# 601234 , Reply# 30   6/5/2012 at 15:19 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
My pleasure Jim!

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More to come!


Post# 601236 , Reply# 31   6/5/2012 at 15:24 (378 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)          
 
 
   

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1978 Lincoln Continental

Post# 601270 , Reply# 32   6/5/2012 at 17:04 (378 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))          
 
 
   
Chrysler turbo

I've seen one in traffic, several times. Exotic styling, mix of Thunderbird and Italian where the body was built.

Turbine deserves another look. Not geared to the wheels, but doing what turbines like to do-- running at one speed driving an alternator. A modest battery covering high demands and constantly recharging. The turbine to do that could be as small as your thigh.


Post# 601273 , Reply# 33   6/5/2012 at 17:11 (378 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)          
 
 
   
Studebaker V8 . . .

Ford had nothing to do with Studebaker engines. They introduced one of the early postwar overhead valve V8s in 1951 which powered most of the Hawks and many other Studebakers as well, although their flathead six was around for many years as a cheaper alternate. When they ceased production at their historical home plant in South Bend, Indiana in December of 1963 they made arrangements with Chevrolet to buy Chevy engines for Studebakers that continued to be produced in Canada. I believe this was necessary as their engines had always been made in Indiana, and no production there meant no Studebaker engines. The agreement with Chevy continued through mid '66 when the Canadian plant ceased operation as well, and Studebaker was out of the car business.

 

Studie only make Larks and Lark-based cars in Canada, so no Hawks or Avantis were made there with Chevy engines. The Avanti II was made in part of the old South Bend plant starting in '65, but its management and ownership had nothing to do with the old Studebaker company, rather it was owned by a couple of Studie dealers who bought the equipment and some plant space and relaunched the Avanti as an independent make rather than a model. They also used Chevy V8s. Through a series of owners and an eventual redesign the Avanti II was made up through the early '90s, and a few of the last ones did have Ford power, but all Avanti IIs made in South Bend had Chevys under the hood.


Post# 601282 , Reply# 34   6/5/2012 at 18:23 (378 days old) by wayupnorth (Maine - Vacationland )          
 
 
   
Studebakers

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Correct me if I am wrong. But I was told by my Subaru dealer (when I used to own them) that the president of Studebaker was the one to import Subaru to this country and since Studebaker had the patent on the hill holder clutch with a standard shift, it went to Subaru. I had 3 Subaru's and they were the only ones I knew had that feature.

Post# 601297 , Reply# 35   6/5/2012 at 19:37 (378 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)          
 
 
   
From the fertile mind of Joe Sedelmaier

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. . . who made fast-talker John Moschitta and octogenarian Clara Peller household names.






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Post# 601300 , Reply# 36   6/5/2012 at 19:40 (378 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)          
 
 
   
''Correct me if I am wrong. But I was told by my Sub

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Can't find any ties between Malcolm Bricklin and Studebaker. And, yes, my FWD '92 Legacy had a manny tranny and the Hill-Holder clutch (went automatic and AWD with the '96 Legacy I'm still driving).


Post# 601312 , Reply# 37   6/5/2012 at 20:13 (378 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area)          
 
 
   

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Thanks for the correction re: Chevy engines in Studebakers.  It's been so long, I have no idea where I got my info about Ford.


Post# 601318 , Reply# 38   6/5/2012 at 20:43 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1964 Studebaker Avanti

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Post# 601325 , Reply# 39   6/5/2012 at 21:10 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1961 Imperial

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Post# 601327 , Reply# 40   6/5/2012 at 21:25 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1953 Packard Caribbean

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Post# 601329 , Reply# 41   6/5/2012 at 21:28 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1912 Peerless

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Post# 601331 , Reply# 42   6/5/2012 at 21:36 (378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1960 International Harvester Travelall

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Post# 601337 , Reply# 43   6/5/2012 at 21:50 (378 days old) by toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.)          
 
 
   
Avanti !!!

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I thought they were one of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen. Along with the 1968 ? Mark III Lincoln ? Was it in 1968 or 1970 the Mark III debuted ?

I also loved the 1968-1970 Buick Riviera with the Wildcat Engine.

Sigh, those were the days. I started disliking American Cars after 1972. Then personally I thought they got ugly with the "Park Bench Bumpers".


Post# 601340 , Reply# 44   6/5/2012 at 21:56 (378 days old) by wayupnorth (Maine - Vacationland )          
 
 
   
International

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One of my neighbors father worked for them in Indiana and there was some big union strike thing that didnt work in the employees favor and the company went out of business. I do see alot of the big farm impliments now branded Case/IH and the same logo. There were alot of those 4WD pickups, Scouts and Travelalls around here with all the snow we used to get in those years.

Post# 601341 , Reply# 45   6/5/2012 at 21:57 (378 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)          
 
 
   

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One more thing about the Corvair. I had a 66' Corsa in college my freshman year. It was a fast car, but as noted above it always leaked oil. About 1 qt every 500 miles.
The problem was in the use of materials in the engines lubrication system. They used a rubber material to seal the "dip tubes" There were two seals per tube and two tubes for each cylinder. After about 1,000 miles the rubber would start to deform from heat and the engine would start to leak oil. Not only did it leak but the air for the heater would come in around the engine and when you turned the heater or defroster on the car would smell like burning oil and actually get smoky on the insides.
You could take the car into the Chevy dealer and they'd replace the dip tube seals for about $350.00. I did this and the new seals only lasted about 1,000 miles. SO I learned how to use an engine cleaner made by Gunk and twice a year clean the engine which kept it pretty much smoke free in the interior. But it still smelled of oil.

Sometime in the 1980's they started making replacement seals that held up to the engines heat once and for all. A few years ago we had a car show at our local airport and the local CORSA Corvair car club came with about 10 cars. None of them leaked oil. One club member has said that once those old seals are replaced with the newer seals the engine won't leak oil ever again. And not one of those Corvairs that came to the show leaked any oil. A lot of those cars have held up.
I think if GM had done more to stop the engine from throwing all over the place the car may have been slightly more successful. They were pretty fast even with the 110hp engine and have some nice interior room in them. Driven responsibly I never had a problem with the Corvair's handling. You'd really have to push it to see any problems. VW's were more likely to "hop" on you than the Corvair would.


Post# 601345 , Reply# 46   6/5/2012 at 22:17 (378 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)          
 
 
   

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My dad bought a '72 Lincoln Town Car and then a '78 Town Car with the landau top. It was like floating on air. You could easily sit 6 adults and put all their luggage in the trunk. It also had the quadraphonic 8 track player. At the time I thought that was the cat's meow LOL It was a great car to drive. Those were the days when Lincolns and Cadillacs really stood out from the rest.

Gary


Post# 601386 , Reply# 47   6/6/2012 at 03:46 (378 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area)          
 
 
   
Continental Mark III

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I remember the Continental Mark III appearing in 1968, but it's considered a 1969 model.  Ford changed their shop manual format for the 1969 model year from a single book to a set of four, five or maybe even six specialized ones.  Before they made the change, they had already published a Continental Mark III shop manual in single book format for the early production Marks.  This suggests the first Marks were part the 1968 production run, but I think they all got the 1969 designation. 

 

My dad bought a super clean '69 Mark for my mom in the mid-70's.  He and I both hated the disjointed 1969 shop manual and I eventually got my hands on the single book produced in 1968.  The only thing it lacked was a section on the Kelsey-Hayes "Sure-Trak" ABS option, which wasn't available until later in the Mark's first production year.  My mom's car had this option and in 1978 it saved the car (and my parents) from going over the edge as a result of an avoidance maneuver during a freak Memorial Day blizzard with white-out conditions in the Sierras. 


Post# 601454 , Reply# 48   6/6/2012 at 10:51 (377 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)          
 
 
   
Mark III antilock brakes . . .

I believe that ABS system on the Mark III is quite rare and only worked on the rear wheels. As with too many good inventions, it was created by an American company but subsequently abandoned and then properly developed by other companies. I'm pretty sure it was the first electronic ABS ever, although certainly not the first ABS system. That honor goes to the Jensen FF introduced in '66 which had both fulltime four wheel drive and four wheel ABS via the Ferguson Formula and Dunlop Maxaret systems. With the Chrysler 383 and Torqueflite it made the FF one of the most capable GT cars of the era, but the systems were fully mechanical and expensive and so only a few hundred FFs were built. I've often wondered if the FF influenced Ford and Kelsey-Hayes to develop a cheaper ABS design that didn't rely on having the Ferguson four wheel drive system as the Maxaret did.

 

When I was a kid a good friend of my dad's had a very early Mark III, black on black with a black interior. It was a stunning car, and at that time didn't look like anything else on the road; I recall sitting in it at a stoplight and seeing passersby just stare. I also remember the owners commenting on how much fuel it used, which is amazing as they loved powerful engines and for years wouldn't have a car without a big V8 (excepting their V12 Jag); they also had a '70 ram-air 455 Toronado, '72 Imperial, and had owned several '60s Continentals. For them to notice the poor economy it must have been really bad.


Post# 601464 , Reply# 49   6/6/2012 at 11:30 (377 days old) by nurdlinger (Tucson AZ)          
 
 
   
Corvair

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I briefly owned a '66 Corvair in the early 70s. Buying it was a mistake and I spent a fortune repairing it, but that is not the point of the post.

As someone mentioned above, the rear suspension was redesigned in 1965 and was greatly improved compared to the VW-like swing axles. Handling was great, ON DRY PAVEMENT. When the road was wet, any sudden change in direction would be answered by the rear end trying to come around to the head. I scared the bejeezus out of myself a couple times with this car.



Post# 601478 , Reply# 50   6/6/2012 at 12:25 (377 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)          
 
 
   
The Chrysler Turbine Car...

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As a YOUNG person I remember going to the Valley Fair shopping center in San Jose to check out that car on display in front of Macy's. Other than the George Jetson styling the two things I remember most were the weird reddish-orange color and the chrome drive shaft hump that ran the length on the interior.

I'm sure many of you are aware that Jay Leno has a fabulous collection of cars, motorcycles and assorted other vehicles so it's no surprise to see him behind the wheel of the turbine car. My next-door neighbor was best buds with the late Paul Newman. They did everything together for many years and he remains close friends with the family. Paul (my neighbor refered to as "OP", the "other Paul" by the Newmans) continues to do charitable work for the Newman Foundation, in particular the "Hole In The Wall" camps Mr. Newman established for terminally ill children. He recently ran into Mr. Leno in New York and asked him if it would be possible to organize a fund-raising event for the Newman Camps using the car collection. Of course Mr. Leno agreed and the event was held earlier this year. Paul (neighbor) gave me a file with many photos he took. I will take the liberty of posting a couple.


Post# 601479 , Reply# 51   6/6/2012 at 12:27 (377 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.)          
 
 
   
actually the Corvair suspension was fixed by 1964

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and contrary to popular belief Ralph Nader did NOT kill the Corvair.... GM did. Before Unsafe at Any Speed came out GM had already declared that no more development work would be done on the Corvair past the 1965 redesign and that it would be phased out by 1970. The reason for this because the Corvair had missed its intended mark big time which was to be a Falcon, and Valiant fighter. The Chevy 2 was put on the market in 1962 to take up the Corvair's slack in that area and the Corvair was then looked upon as a sporty compact (that is why the Corvair lost its station wagon after just two model years).. But when the Mustang came out in April 1964 it clobbered the Corvair and that is when GM saw the hand writing on the wall and stopped doing anything further with the Corvair and developed the Camaro. PATRICK COFFEY

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Post# 601481 , Reply# 53   6/6/2012 at 12:30 (377 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)          
 
 
   

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This car, part of Mr. Leno's collection, is powered by a jet engine. I'm not sure if it's street-legal but apparently it can only be driven during times with no traffic (is this possible in LA?) since if the car remains stationary too long it melts the pavement.



Post# 601525 , Reply# 54   6/6/2012 at 15:28 (377 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)          
 
 
   
Push button drive

I guess push button drive was a great idea? Mmmmm? maybe not?
We had a '58 Plymouth Plaza(BOL)Plymouth. I pushed the reverse button in and it disappered right into the abyss of the dashboard! This was 1965 and I had just gotten my driver's liscense. Dad sold our 1953 Packard straight 8 for this piece of junk! He thought that the Packard was "too much car for you to drive Gary." The right front fender fell off of it as I was driving across a bridge, rusted right off of the car! I am sure Chrysler products have improved but I have never owned one as an adult.


Post# 601527 , Reply# 55   6/6/2012 at 15:45 (377 days old) by nurdlinger (Tucson AZ)          
 
 
   
Push button drive

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The government killed pushbutton shifting. Some bureaucrat decided that your average American could not deal with different transmission operation between vehicles of varying makes. Ford made out in this deal, because the P-R-N-D-L pattern they used got to be the standard. Some GM cars had this, like Chevy Powerglide, but Hydra-Matic shift pattern was something like P-N-D-L-R. (The "L" position got morphed into other letters when transmissions with more selectable speeds became popular.) So Chrysler had to fall into step and adopt column shifting levers.

Post# 601528 , Reply# 56   6/6/2012 at 15:53 (377 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1959 Dodge

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Post# 601529 , Reply# 57   6/6/2012 at 15:54 (377 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1962 Buick

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Post# 601540 , Reply# 58   6/6/2012 at 16:39 (377 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)          
 
 
   

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True, the "Wildcat 455" engine in my 62 Electra was great at hill climbing but the "Twin Turbine Dynaflow" transmission with it's smooth "gearless" shift to drive was awful going downhill. It provided almost no engine braking and the car felt like it was in neutral. A favorite weekend thing for my friends and I to do was head on over to Santa Cruz from San Jose on Highway 17 through the Santa Cruz Mountains. When you reached the summit and began the downhill trek you had to constantly shift to Low. It was a pain in the neck but I still loved the car. Ocassionaly we would take my friend's mother's 63 Dynamic 88 Oldsmobile and with the Hydramatic transmission in "S" for "Select." It made the trip with very little need to use the brakes but it was a frumpy 4-door.

Post# 601558 , Reply# 59   6/6/2012 at 17:33 (377 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)          
 
 
   

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Whenever I see P-R-N-D-L I think of the Green Acres episode where Lisa would call it a "PRNDL" as a word!

Post# 601561 , Reply# 60   6/6/2012 at 17:37 (377 days old) by statenislandgwm (Staten Island NY)          
 
 
   
One of my favorites...

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1963 Chrysler New Yorker Salon

Post# 601562 , Reply# 61   6/6/2012 at 17:40 (377 days old) by wayupnorth (Maine - Vacationland )          
 
 
   
@whirlcool

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I remember that episode of Green Acres when Lisa was learning to drive the Lincoln with suicide doors. That was a great series.

Post# 601573 , Reply# 62   6/6/2012 at 18:22 (377 days old) by cuffs054 (GA)          
 
 
   

TwinTub, didn't the "S" on the Olds trans carry the moniker of "Super"?

Post# 601620 , Reply# 63   6/6/2012 at 21:57 (377 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Looks dreamy Vincent.

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I remember a neighbor of ours who had one. It was black, with a red interior.


Post# 601622 , Reply# 64   6/6/2012 at 21:58 (377 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1967 Imperial

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Post# 601645 , Reply# 65   6/6/2012 at 23:49 (377 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)          
 
 
   

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Cuffs054, you are right. I meant to say "Super" on that 1963 Dynamic 88. Be happy I remembered it was an Oldsmobile...the mind is the first thing to go.

Post# 601688 , Reply# 66   6/7/2012 at 06:11 (377 days old) by toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.)          
 
 
   
Green Acres

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I remember that episode.

Laugh your Butt off.


Post# 601757 , Reply# 67   6/7/2012 at 13:22 (376 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area)          
 
 
   
'72 Imperial

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On the night of my Senior Prom I drove a brand new one with the same color scheme as the one pictured above.  It was a double-date with my friend down the street.  His dad had the Chrysler-Plymouth dealership in town (I think it's the 4th oldest car dealership in the U.S.) and Mom got a new Imperial every year.  After the dance was over, we took a drive about 35 miles north and cut over to the coast highway, stopping at a beach or two on our way down to Santa Cruz.  At that time I had not yet driven the infamous Highway 17 "over the hill" from Santa Cruz, which was back then known as "blood alley," but my friend put me behind the wheel.  We floated home in comfort and style in the wee hours and with the road virtually empty, and the six-way stereophonic sound was like nothing I had ever heard inside a car before.  I think everyone in this area remembers their initiation to driving over 17.  I'll never forget mine.


Post# 601795 , Reply# 68   6/7/2012 at 16:41 (376 days old) by Westie2 (Siloam Springs, Arkansas)          
 
 
   

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My 74 New Yorker was like that so easy to drive and never got tired of driving it.  Crusise Control on it never drifted off. 
Was lighte yeallo with white vinyl top and white interior with black carpet.  Was a 4 door hard top.  Kept it until bought our 92 Towncar.  All the good big cars are gone.  What a loss.


Post# 601800 , Reply# 69   6/7/2012 at 17:09 (376 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)          
 
 
   
Hey there Ralphy boy...

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Do you remember the the big cutouts along "Blood & Guts" Highway 17? The fake police & Highway Patrol Cars? My favorite was the big coffin with the bloody hand emerging from under the lid. And what about all those signs saying "Avoid Overheating, Turn Off Your Air Contitioner." There were a few others too.

Lots of smash-ups here even after they installed the dividers


Post# 601801 , Reply# 70   6/7/2012 at 17:15 (376 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)          
 
 
   
so dumb

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what's an air contitioner? Sorry, conditioner.

Post# 601863 , Reply# 71   6/8/2012 at 01:28 (376 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1954 Oldsmobile

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Post# 601864 , Reply# 72   6/8/2012 at 01:29 (376 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1955 Chevrolet

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Post# 602031 , Reply# 73   6/8/2012 at 21:13 (375 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1963 Chrysler

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Post# 602033 , Reply# 74   6/8/2012 at 21:18 (375 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1957 Dodge

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My dad had this wagon, but sold it for a '61 Chevrolet Impala right before I was born.

 

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Post# 602039 , Reply# 75   6/8/2012 at 21:40 (375 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)          
 
 
   

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I had an uncle who alwaus drove Chrysler Corp cars. He thought they were the best built. I remember he had a 56' Dodge 4 door that was pink & gray. I remember the dashboard was mostly painted and was just as shiny pink as the outside of the car.
He always seemed to have good luck with his cars.
My mom bought a 58' Plymouth Belvidere based on my uncle's recommendations. She had nothing but trouble with it from the time she bought it. The biggest problems were the brakes, they always seemed to be failing. And finally at about 35,000 miles the engine threw a rod. The dealer told them it could be fixed for $550 with no guarantee. The car then went to the junkyard at 3 years of age. Then my dad a few years later bought the Valiant which I mentioned earlier in this thread. After that they never owned a Chrysler produce ever again.

And neither have I.




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Post# 602047 , Reply# 76   6/8/2012 at 22:02 (375 days old) by wayupnorth (Maine - Vacationland )          
 
 
   

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My aunt and uncle had a 57 Dodge Custom Royale 4 door. Turquoise and white with the pushbutton Torque Flite. Real nice car!

Post# 602050 , Reply# 77   6/8/2012 at 22:23 (375 days old) by Whirlaway (hampton va)          
 
 
   
57 plymouths

The early 57 Plymouths with the eight had a soft crankshaft,they became egg-shaped,at around 30,000 miles.I had one I bought in 73 with 39,000 miles on it and it started knocking,I had it rebuilt and a hardened crank put in it.It was fine great driving car handled really good as all of the 57s did and later.Chrysler front ends were so easy to repair and still you can get parts for all of them.I sold that car to a family that he had lost his job,They drove it trouble free for about 4years and bought it back from them had it repainted drove it more,then traded it for a 73 Newport aguy bought it and they drove it for 25 years and I think its still in their garage.Most of them in the junkyards had lower miles than normal.

Post# 602062 , Reply# 78   6/8/2012 at 23:29 (375 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area)          
 
 
   
'57 Plymouth

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My uncle had a very pretty two-tone coral & white '57 Plymouth, which if memory serves me, he bought in '58 or '59.  The Plymouth replaced a '49 Kaiser (suicide doors, I think) and our '51 Lincoln Cosmopolitan looked seriously dated in comparison.  He was meticulous and his cars were always pristine.  He traded it in on a '62 Olds.

 

The Salvation Army by me had a straight original-looking (except for the chalky blue paint) '55 Plymouth Savoy post-top 4-door sedan on their lot recently.  They were asking $5,500, which I'm sure they did not get for it, but it's been gone for a couple of weeks.


Post# 602070 , Reply# 79   6/9/2012 at 00:16 (375 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.)          
 
 
   
The 1949 Kaiser did not have suicide doors....nor did the 19

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The only 1949 American cars that had suicide doors were Lincoln and Mercury and the first series Chrysler, DeSoto, Dodge and Plymouth's (which were still using the 1946-48 bodies until the second series debuted at the beginning of 1949)....PAT COFFEY

Post# 602156 , Reply# 80   6/9/2012 at 12:13 (374 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Studebaker-Packard 1957

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Post# 602180 , Reply# 81   6/9/2012 at 14:01 (374 days old) by moparguy (Virginia)          
 
 
   
suicide doors after 1949

Studebaker sedans had suicide doors through 1952, until the dramatically restyled 1953s came out. I always thought they were so neat when they facelifted the postwar car in 1950-51 to the bullet nose... and then made do for another year in 1952 with a facelift removing the bullet, until the 1953s were ready.


Post# 602194 , Reply# 82   6/9/2012 at 15:07 (374 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.)          
 
 
   
Oops your right Jeff

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I forgot about Studebaker....PAT COFFEY

Post# 602376 , Reply# 83   6/10/2012 at 13:08 (373 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1955 Hudson

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Post# 602387 , Reply# 84   6/10/2012 at 13:29 (373 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1960 Corvair

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Post# 602771 , Reply# 85   6/11/2012 at 19:35 (372 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1950 Nash

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Post# 602899 , Reply# 86   6/12/2012 at 10:27 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1938 Graham

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Post# 602900 , Reply# 87   6/12/2012 at 10:30 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1969 Buick Riviera

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Post# 602901 , Reply# 88   6/12/2012 at 10:33 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1968 Oldsmobile Toronado

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Post# 602903 , Reply# 89   6/12/2012 at 10:38 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1968 Cadillac Eldorado

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Post# 602904 , Reply# 90   6/12/2012 at 10:43 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1965 Buick Riviera

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Post# 602908 , Reply# 91   6/12/2012 at 10:52 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1961 Ford Thunderbird

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Post# 602912 , Reply# 92   6/12/2012 at 10:58 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1969 Chrysler 300

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Post# 602928 , Reply# 93   6/12/2012 at 11:45 (371 days old) by nurdlinger (Tucson AZ)          
 
 
   
Nash Airflyte

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These are the cars everyone drove in the old B&W Superman TV show in the 50s.

Post# 603074 , Reply# 94   6/12/2012 at 17:16 (371 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)          
 
 
   

The Chrysler 300 ad says something about a car with a cockpit, but I don't think it has a cockpit so much as a promenade deck! Second to last year for the "old" 300 nameplate if I remember correctly.


Post# 603093 , Reply# 95   6/12/2012 at 18:20 (371 days old) by wayupnorth (Maine - Vacationland )          
 
 
   
Old Superman series

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Thats right nurdlinger, all you saw was Nashes and Lois Lane had a Nash Metropolitan.

Post# 603095 , Reply# 96   6/12/2012 at 18:26 (371 days old) by cuffs054 (GA)          
 
 
   

WayUpNorth,
Lois, actually had a Nash Sedan with retractable top. Very freakin cool!


Post# 603100 , Reply# 97   6/12/2012 at 18:55 (371 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Miss Lane drove '51 and '53 Nash Rambler Customs

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Post# 603106 , Reply# 98   6/12/2012 at 19:23 (371 days old) by wayupnorth (Maine - Vacationland )          
 
 
   

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I thought what she drove was the Metropolitan that turned into the Rambler American. Course, we didnt have the best TV reception back then.

Post# 603111 , Reply# 99   6/12/2012 at 20:17 (371 days old) by toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.)          
 
 
   
Tim,

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Your Dog looks just like my first Golden Gretchen.

Great Dogs.


Post# 603114 , Reply# 100   6/12/2012 at 20:31 (371 days old) by wayupnorth (Maine - Vacationland )          
 
 
   

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Yes Eddie, she is a great dog. But she is 13 now and in the last few days has shown me alot of those signs that the time is coming. Something I am REALLY dreading but I am not going to let her suffer. Her hips are getting very weak and her appetite is dwindling, even going to releve herself is a chore. So unless a miracle happens, she will be at the other end of the rainbow bridge when I get there to meet me.

Post# 603184 , Reply# 101   6/13/2012 at 05:43 (371 days old) by toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.)          
 
 
   
Oh Tim

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Sorry to hear that.

I've had 2 Golden Girls. Gretchen I had to put down and Gracie died in my arms. Gracie 's gone 10 years now and I just haven't been able to get another.

Thye're better than Humans and they always know what's going on with you.


Post# 603235 , Reply# 102   6/13/2012 at 11:59 (370 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)          
 
 
   
From What I've Read

In the first two seasons, Lois (both Coates and Neill) drove a Nash Custom Convertible (I also thought it was a Metropolitan).

However, as the series progressed, she drove Chrysler products (I believe a Dodge in 56-57 and a Plymouth in 57-58). The "bad guys" were seen in either a black New Yorker or Imperial.


Post# 603237 , Reply# 103   6/13/2012 at 12:15 (370 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)          
 
 
   
Retractable Headlights on GM Models

As these ads show, the Riviera, Toronado and Eldorado all had hidden headlights. In looking at the Riviera and Toronado ads, I couldn't even see where the openings were.

Of course, Pontiac with the GTO and Chevy with the Camaro had the hidden headlights as well, but in 68-69, some Chevy Caprice's also had them. These were limited edition models and not too many were produced (you can see the '68 model on a "Bewitched" Season 4 episode ("Tabitha's Playmate") in the background when Darrin's mother is walking to the front door, and the '69 in the Season 6 episode ("Samantha's Curious Cravings") as Darrin is rushing down the street to take Sam to the hospital).


Post# 603240 , Reply# 104   6/13/2012 at 12:24 (370 days old) by Whirlaway (hampton va)          
 
 
   
Color Superman

In 54Superman went to color,and with Nash police cars.Lois drove a 55plymouth convertible in the forst color episodesand toward the very last 57 Desotos,these were not colorized.Thet were excellant real color.Also they were usually a year or so behind,sponsorship was not always available.Actually in the 1951 season Clark Kent drove a New Yorker conv,hemi powered and power steering.

Post# 603367 , Reply# 105   6/13/2012 at 16:46 (370 days old) by moparguy (Virginia)          
 
 
   
Superman cars

Didn't Jimmy Olsen drive an Austin sedan for a time?


Post# 603482 , Reply# 106   6/14/2012 at 02:27 (370 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
1950 Borg-Warner

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Post# 603544 , Reply# 107   6/14/2012 at 09:29 (369 days old) by nurdlinger (Tucson AZ)          
 
 
   
Miss Lane drove '51 and '53 Nash Rambler Customs

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Check out the curb feeler in the lower picture. There's a technology that has gone the way of horse collars and buggy whips.

Post# 604038 , Reply# 108   6/16/2012 at 09:44 (367 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)          
 
 
   
Time for Part Two!

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