| Thread Number: 40842
The Hoover A3110 is not happy... poorly pump! |
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| Post# 604297 6/17/2012 at 20:04 (366 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
  The other week before my holidays the pump motor appeared to have jammed I could hear it humming. I thought maybe something caught in the pump so pulled the machine out and turned the fan round on the pump and it moved ok and smooth so started it back up and it pumped out fine and ran ok for the rest of that week. Bear in mind this pump has always been noisy but has done its job since I got the machine.
Anyway after 10 days holiday I came back last night to the boiler breaking down ( from 33C heat in spain to 10C UK weather I wanted a hot shower) and thought I would put a wash on (first holiday wash). When it came to the drain stage I noticed the machine is not emptying but trying to spin full of wate with the pump just humming. Not good being 1am I turned the machine off and decided to call it a night. Got up next day and pulled the machine out this time the pump seems seized/stiff to turn with a small pool of water under the pump and the pump housing rusted so it appears the bearings/seals have gone and leaking water which have in turn corroded the motor and seized it. Anyway onto ebay I went and bought a new pump with the red cooling fan for about £13 and will fit when it arrives. I assume this is easy to swap out? Do I need any special tools, does the pump just screw in or is it bolted in? Know I will need to remove jubilee clips and get all the water out... flooded kitchen :( Least the new pump will be quiet like! | ||
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| Post# 604641 , Reply# 2 6/18/2012 at 21:12 (365 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Pump is ordered from ebay so hoping for it to arrive asap...
CLICK HERE TO GO TO richardc1983's LINK | ||
| Post# 604683 , Reply# 3 6/19/2012 at 06:07 (365 days old) by andyvivo (Essex) | ||
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Yes I do, pump can / metal guard. Looks like the right one to me in the link. If the pump has been leaking for a while you may want to aim some wd40 on the bolt threads before trying to remove. | ||
| Post# 604847 , Reply# 4 6/19/2012 at 18:21 (365 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 605082 , Reply# 5 6/20/2012 at 16:45 (364 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Pump still not arrived, not impressed as paid for next day delivery so should have been here today! They gave me a tracking number which according to courier wasnt valid so I dont even think its been sent out! However the seller is saying it has! So why cant provide me with tracking number!
The washing is mounting up and feel cheeky asking to use neighbours washer lol plus doesnt wash as well! | ||
| Post# 605091 , Reply# 7 6/20/2012 at 17:51 (364 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 605174 , Reply# 9 6/21/2012 at 01:28 (363 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 605178 , Reply# 10 6/21/2012 at 01:58 (363 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
 Hello Andy surely you dont mean the horrible noisy magnetic pumps that are fitted in modern machines.
The shaded pole pumps are far quieter in operation Richard I know how frustrating it is waiting for something to arrive, be patient things will sort themselves out. Mat so the pump finally died..........well it is about 35 years old, i have found the source of the rattle on my 3060.........major job! Gary | ||
| Post# 605199 , Reply# 12 6/21/2012 at 04:19 (363 days old) by matchboxpaul (Crewe, U.K) | ||
 Hi Richard.
Oh the foibles of vintage machine ownership. At least with vintage, you can generally repair - fingers crossed that you get your pump sorted. Though the only post move photo I have seen of your A3110 had a lovely pink hue to it, the machine looks great in its new setting. Patience with the post - can be very frustrating. Hi Mathew. You will always be thinking 'its not the right sound' - I am now on countdown to the day when you replace it :-) Hi Gary. What the problem with your ex-Cornwall Avenue, Darlington that emigrated to Cornwall A3060? Paul | ||
| Post# 605239 , Reply# 13 6/21/2012 at 08:27 (363 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Ok new pump arrived just as I was heading out the door to the dentist! Lucky as I was getting stressed waiting in all morning for other stuff that hasn't turned up.
The pump Isnt a magnetic one in fact it looks the same as the old one except an old fan so what do you mean my askol pump to fit later? This one has 4 vanes on it. | ||
| Post# 605244 , Reply# 14 6/21/2012 at 08:56 (363 days old) by andyvivo (Essex) | ||
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Hi Richard Glad it has arrived at last. Askoll is like the one in the link. They are the most common used pump now, and are extremly universal with the appropriate chamber suited to the model it is being fitted to. CLICK HERE TO GO TO andyvivo's LINK | ||
| Post# 605295 , Reply# 15 6/21/2012 at 12:44 (363 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 605390 , Reply# 16 6/21/2012 at 18:43 (363 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK) | ||
 The magnetic pump in my three year old Panasonic is quiet only when pumping water. As soon as it encounters foam or air, it sounds like a Black & Decker drill on "hammer" action. Silly design of filter: a plastic spindle with a disc. I wonder if it is that that vibrates? Zanussi had a better design, but Hoover didn't need any filter with their self-cleaning vortex pump.
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| Post# 605455 , Reply# 17 6/22/2012 at 01:48 (362 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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Hello Richard
When you say the connections are different do you mean the elctrical connections? there should be male spades on the pump and female spades on the end of the two wires going to it do you also mean that the mounting holes are not in the correct place? Hope you got the water cleared up ok Gary Rolls rapide This has been exactly my experience of magnetic pumps on three different make of machines i have owned that all had these type of pumps (Hoover,Bosch,Hotpoint), they are quietish when under load but as you say when they are not under load they are noisy as hell, how Hotpoint have the cheek to put "whisper quiet" on the front of my aqualtis beggers belief they should be taken to court by trading standards The main problem with them is they are in affect a 2 pole motor, 2 pole motors vibrate alot due to the rapid push/pull affect when they are rotating, the more poles a motor has the smoother its rotation | ||
| Post# 605468 , Reply# 18 6/22/2012 at 05:19 (362 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Hi Gary
Ended up getting my neighbour involved as I was starting to get stressed out! I replaced the motor one time with no issue at all but this was difficult! The screws were solid wtih the rust from the leaking pump. Anyway the spades were smaller on the electrical connections of the washer and the new pump they were bigger so had to change them also to match the new one and also the mounting spaces were different and only one place to mount onto the pump that would fit. Anyway its all secure now did 3 loads last night cant believe I put up with such a noisy pump for so long cant even tell its on now. You can also see my Bosch countertop dishwasher I refitted yesterday :) Heres a pic of her in her new home lol.. will post a pic of the knackered pump later! 
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| Post# 605490 , Reply# 19 6/22/2012 at 06:57 (362 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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| Post# 605491 , Reply# 20 6/22/2012 at 06:58 (362 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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| Post# 605988 , Reply# 21 6/24/2012 at 13:52 (360 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 606476 , Reply# 22 6/26/2012 at 16:02 (358 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Further issues now with the hoover... noticed a puddle of water pooling under neath the machine, I put this down to the previous pump leaking at the seals however I now realise it wasnt the pump that was leaking and upon taking the lid off and the soap dispenser out I can see a drip drip drip inside the soap dispenser compartment. Seems that one of the valves is letting water pass through still this is leaking out through where the hoses connect to the back of the soap box. The hoses are not leaking but where this manifold connects to the soap box and is sealed by some sort of sealant glue this is leaking and when I put the machine on to fill the hot water is spraying through this manifold. When the machine is off this is leaking onto the floor. I suspect the water has dripped onto the previous pump so much that it corroded it! I think this has been happening over a long period of time and I have always put it down to the age old pump.. which probably wasnt the issue here but because it was noisy I thought it had finally given up! But had this water not been leaking down onto it from the soap box area it prob would have still been running.
So for now I have turned off the hot water feed to the machine so the machine is cold fill only and once I know how to rectify these issues will sort it out properly. When I took the lid off the drum also seems out of alignment slightly, possibly caused during the house move. Would appreciate if anyone is over Leeds way to maybe pop in for a cuppa and to have a look for me. The water is not spraying out when the machine fills with the cold supply and it is not the rubber hoses that connect to the soap box. Regards Richard. | ||
| Post# 606495 , Reply# 24 6/26/2012 at 16:49 (358 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 606498 , Reply# 25 6/26/2012 at 17:03 (358 days old) by andyvivo (Essex) | ||
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New valve time, or if you have an original that can be unscrewed you may get away with cleaning it. as long as the plunger cap is not perished that is. CLICK HERE TO GO TO andyvivo's LINK | ||
| Post# 606502 , Reply# 26 6/26/2012 at 17:13 (358 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Well I may see how we go without the hot water on for now and just reseal it as by the time the hot water gets to the machine it is only just starting to get warm anyway. Hot fill is only really worth it for 90C washes where it fills only from the hot rather than cold. I dont do 90C washes and very rare if I do.
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| Post# 606589 , Reply# 27 6/27/2012 at 02:41 (357 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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Hello richard
If you disconnect the hot fill on this machine bear in mind that it will not take powder in from the right hand soap compartment, Cold is taken in on the left hand one (pre-wash) only and hot only on the right hand one (main wash). Twisted drum Erm just check it by pushing the tub up and down a few times then let it settle if the tub is still out of true then as andy says you will need to fit a suspension kit, on a machine of this age if it has not been done before it will definately need one by now i would say, i have done loads of them and it is a bit of a pain in the arse to do. Gary | ||
| Post# 606627 , Reply# 28 6/27/2012 at 08:10 (357 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys) | ||
 The joy of looking after and using vintage machines, It’s like having a classic car, every time you take it out for a spin you end up leaning out of the window listing for rumbles or knocking only to get home covered in oil, for us it’s moping up water and endless peering though the door and felling the glass to see if the heater is working.
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| Post# 606721 , Reply# 29 6/27/2012 at 16:14 (357 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Cant seem to get the tub in alignment when I move it into place it just springs back out of alignment.
So the machine doesnt mix cold water on a 40&60C cycle into the main wash soap compartment? I am pretty sure it did? Is there a temp way round this? Really dont have the time to sort this out at the moment. Also there is also another leak I think it is the grey drain hose that connects to the pump... must have a slight split in it as it drips when the pump runs. I thought the clamp wasnt tight enough but it still drips so maybe a new hose is in order but I can get one of these for free of someones old machine I am sure. Poorly machine! | ||
| Post# 606800 , Reply# 30 6/28/2012 at 01:35 (356 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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| Post# 606815 , Reply# 31 6/28/2012 at 06:19 (356 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Checked again today the grey drain hose now secure and not dripping but puddle of water underneath where motor is... God sake!
Can't tell where it's coming from cant be the tub that's leaking however the water is around the edge of the outer drum and I just put it on watched it fill and nothing leaked out of it. Wiped it dry and no water drips again will look again tmrw... There is a bit of corrosion on the back by the nuts that hold the tub together but this could have been from soap dispenser. Really do wish someone was closer really don't have the time or patience at moment to sort this out along with everything else that is going wrong at home. May need to look into buying a new machine... It's gonna start rotting the floor. | ||
| Post# 606945 , Reply# 34 6/28/2012 at 20:11 (355 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois) | ||
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Wow, what a good time there. Since you live in Leeds, have you ever heard of Rodgers pipe organ pipes or company ? They may be out of business now but that made the best organ reeds that I have ever hear. thanks, gary | ||
| Post# 606965 , Reply# 35 6/28/2012 at 22:21 (355 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 607048 , Reply# 36 6/29/2012 at 10:26 (355 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys) | ||
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| Post# 607879 , Reply# 37 7/3/2012 at 07:09 (351 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Over the weekend I bought some Solvent weld and took the manifold off cleaned it up and then restuck it down and left it to dry for 24 hours, so far so good no leaks not even from the drain hose which I think wasnt seated in the right place.
Still would like to give the machine a once over though :) | ||
| Post# 607882 , Reply# 38 7/3/2012 at 07:18 (351 days old) by andyvivo (Essex) | ||
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Ah brilliant, glad to hear it's getting there. Is the valve still letting by or did you disconnect it? | ||
| Post# 607914 , Reply# 39 7/3/2012 at 11:07 (351 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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| Post# 607991 , Reply# 40 7/3/2012 at 15:45 (351 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Both the hot water and cold water valves are letting water by it seems to be a constant slow drip... as long as the manifold isnt leaking this isnt going to be too much of an issue.
Gary... yes but its come at the wrong time really haha! I do need to get the drum alignment sorted out though as its banging against the side of the casing and putting a dint in it. | ||
| Post# 608000 , Reply# 41 7/3/2012 at 16:02 (351 days old) by matchboxpaul (Crewe, U.K) | ||
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Hi Richard.
Ohhh the joys of vintage machine ownership. They work fine for a while and then throw issue, after issue, after issue at you. You think youve sorted things for a while and then something else crops up! They certainly keep you on your toes. Re the tub denting the bodyshell. Until you are able to get the anti twist kit installed, create your own strike plates by cutting the bases out of tin cans and gluing them securely inside the machine at the point where the drum strikes the bodyshell. Though not made out of the bases of tin cans, Hoover Logic and Ecologic machines had stainless steel strike plates installed by Hoover themselves, in order to protect the bodysides. You will get there in the end with your A3110 and it looks great in your kitchen. Paul | ||
| Post# 608004 , Reply# 42 7/3/2012 at 16:10 (351 days old) by andyvivo (Essex) | ||
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You could for now just buy a section of foam (maybe 15cm by 5cm, couple of cm thick) and hot glue gun it to the inside of the cabinet where the drum is bashing. Temporary fix but should help less dings in the cabinet until you have the suspension sorted | ||
| Post# 608036 , Reply# 43 7/3/2012 at 17:03 (351 days old) by bertrum (England) | ||
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hi Richard, its so difficult identifying where the leaks are coming from just bu describing where they are located. Post some pictures up of the leaking areas and we will have a better idea of where to direct you. bert | ||
| Post# 608245 , Reply# 44 7/4/2012 at 13:39 (350 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys) | ||
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| Post# 608274 , Reply# 45 7/4/2012 at 16:49 (350 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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Thanks Lee.
Would like to get the suspension sorted out next... All in all I am hoping nothing else goes wrong, pulled machine out again today after doing about 5 loads over last few days and no more leaking so I think that is resolved now. At a later stage prob worth replacing the valves due to them bypassing slightly but has prob been doing this for years hence the rust building up inside and the damage it caused to the previous pump which probably was not even faulty at the time but the rust seized it up. | ||
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