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The evolution of "Rinse and Hold", Rinse Only on dishwashers |
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Post# 606452 6/26/2012 at 15:12 (333 days old) by verizonbear  (Columba, MD) |
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Post# 606459 , Reply# 1 6/26/2012 at 15:25 (333 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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Post# 606471 , Reply# 2 6/26/2012 at 15:43 (333 days old) by jerrod6 (Philadelphia Pa. USA) |
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My Miele DW from 2006 when using the Sensor or Ecomony cycles may do three rinses(but not that often)for a heavily soiled load containing grease, pasta, starch, or if the second rinse contains too much suds; but that was 2006...not today's modern appliances. | ||
| Post# 606580 , Reply# 4 6/27/2012 at 00:46 (332 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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My ~1985 GE is 2 fills. It says "rinse only" rather than "rinse hold". It also says to switch heated dry off. | ||
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Post# 606597 , Reply# 5 6/27/2012 at 04:39 (332 days old) by Frigilux (the open prairie of Minnesota) |
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| Post# 606599 , Reply# 6 6/27/2012 at 05:08 (332 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
 I personally never used that cycle, but I assumed that it was for dishes that were badly soiled, but not yet ready to be washed, so it just runs a rinse cycle with no detergent and then you can run the full cycle later. But in my case, it's always three days later, since it takes about three days for my dishwasher have a full load, so I've never used it. On my WP tall tub, I think it's called "rinse only" and it is about 15 minutes long and one fill of water. I did use it once to see what it would do a long time ago.
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Post# 606629 , Reply# 7 6/27/2012 at 08:21 (332 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 606637 , Reply# 9 6/27/2012 at 08:54 (332 days old) by PhilR (Montreal Canada) |
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 I tried the RINSE & HOLD cycle on my 1974 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe dishwasher and I think the only thing the switch does is to stop the heating element from working.
The instructions say to advance the timer to rinse (so it does only one rinse) it can be also used for "PRE-WASH & HOLD", just by adding detergent in the dispenser #1 (which has no door). It's possible to operate the dishwasher a full cycle on RINSE & HOLD but I'm guessing it's not recommended because the heater is off during the wash cycles too... 
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Post# 606665 , Reply# 11 6/27/2012 at 11:41 (332 days old) by DADoES ( ) |
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 We used Rinse/Hold at first on our KDI-17a, because having a dishwasher was a new experience and using the array of cycles as intended was necessary. We learned soon enough to avoid it because Rinse/Hold caused more odor from standing/wet dirty dishes than if it was NOT used. IIRC, the KDI-17 sequence was: 1 min half-fill (line purge) 1 min drain 2 mins fill with circulation 1 min circulation 2 mins pause (which is where the soak period would be on the Soak Cycle but the pulse-delay timer did not engage on Rinse/Hold) 1 min drain Remainder of timer sequences ran out at normal time with no further washing/rinsing/drying action, or the timer could be advanced manually to Off. I have not used rinse/hold on any of my dishwashers since that initial experience. | ||
| Post# 606761 , Reply# 13 6/27/2012 at 19:47 (332 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK) | ||
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Post# 606805 , Reply# 14 6/28/2012 at 02:34 (331 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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Find even several day old dishes that have been sat sitting in the DW come clean with proper dosage of modern detergents. Not the STPP free stuff on the shelves today as one is still using old formula Cascade powder which has enough of the stuff to do the job.
Why on earth would anyone wish to spray a mixture of water and food oils/soils/goo around a dw then allow it to sit for several hours has always been beyond me. If something is that badly soiled and or one is worried about allowing it to sit for whatever period of time it takes to fill up the dw, go ahead and pre-rinse the thing in sink. | ||
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Post# 611298 , Reply# 15 7/20/2012 at 06:52 (309 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md) |
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 I also have seldom used the R&H cycle on my DWs for many of the a fore mentioned reasons.
1 Even if not rinsed the dishes come perfectly clean anyway when the full cycle is run. 2 Kitchenaid always had a terrible R&H cycle as it was just one quick rinse and as mentioned by others it made the whole machine smell worse in a days time if used. My WP DW on the other hand does two full water changes for its R&H cycle and does such a good job that everyone in the household thinks the dishes in the machine are clean and they start using them, LOL. | ||
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Post# 611312 , Reply# 16 7/20/2012 at 08:25 (309 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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 I'm still interested in your original question, who first came up with it and when? Was it even patent-able?
Our TOL 1961 GE dishwasher didn't have it in its 4 cycle line-up and I remember first seeing it on my Aunt Grace's KDS-12 in the early sixties. Since my Mother was one of those who hand washed everything BEFORE putting it in the machine, she wouldn't have bothered. I don't use it that much except when I'm baking; I can throw all of the pieces, some of which aren't safe for long periods in the machine at high water temps and get everything acceptably clean. With two fills I can put a little detergent in and pretend I'm using my high-temp fast warewasher at work. I find it useful and I suspect people with families that fed everyone for breakfast, lunch and dinner and had a fairly consistent daily dishwasher run after all the daily dishes were in, would have used this feature.
You know me, the more buttons to push, the better.
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| Post# 611319 , Reply# 17 7/20/2012 at 09:45 (309 days old) by mrcleanjeans (Green Bay,WI.) | ||
 The Utility-Utensil Cycle on the KD-14 series was a regular wash cycle,followed by a 5 minute heated dry cycle. Any crust left in the pots and pans,it was said,were at least softened so you could wipe the pots clean with a paper towel instead of hand scrubbing them. The 5 minute dry was just enough to dry the pots and pans without drying on the leftover soils on them.
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Post# 611354 , Reply# 20 7/20/2012 at 13:53 (309 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Post# 611362 , Reply# 21 7/20/2012 at 14:39 (309 days old) by franksdad (Greenville, South Carolina) |
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 was an avacado 1974 Whirlpool middle of the line built-in with the new fangled much talked about rinse and hold cycle they were advertising on the television! I was 19 at the time, living at home with my parents, and I wanted a dishwasher like all my friends Mamas had when I was in high school Mama insisted she did not want or need a dishwasher but I told her it didn't matter she was getting one for Mother's Day - so she insisted she wanted one with the new rinse and hold cycle and the potscrubber cycle. I honestly don't remember if we ever used this cycle or not. Come to think of it, that 1974 Whirlpool did such a great job on regular cycle I think we only used the post and pans cycle one time just to check it out. Years passed. I moved out but I did not have a dishwasher for many years when I began housekeeping and when I married the first dishwasher my wife and I bought was a Kenmore Ultra Wash with R&H. We've had several dishwashers with R&H since. My wife can't stand anything on the cabinet so when the dishwasher ends it's cycle it is emptied and all dirty dishes from that point on are placed in the dishwasher. After a few dirty cereal bowls, empty milk glasses, snack plates, etc. it gets kinda funky in the dishwasher. That is when R&H comes to the rescue to rinse those foul odors and food residues away. Could not imagine a dishwasher without R&H! I have to say that the 2007 TOL Whirlpool Gold dishwasher we currently have can't hold a candle to that 1974 MOL Whirlpool. | ||
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Post# 611425 , Reply# 23 7/21/2012 at 05:52 (308 days old) by alr2903 (Memphis Tennessee) |
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Post# 611624 , Reply# 26 7/22/2012 at 19:56 (307 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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 My parents had a 1987 GE Potscrubber 900 that did stellar service from 1987 to 2004. When the door spring broke, the machine was replaced. It was used daily to about four times per week for all 17 years. When my sister and I lived at home it may have even been more than once daily. I'd consider this machine a MOL GE. Similar traits to my two Potscrubber 1200s in some ways, different in others. We never had any complaints but dishwasher performance in some ways depends on water quality. A water softener has been in place since the late 1980s, so the 900 had soft water for most of its life.
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