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Post# 606538   6/26/2012 at 21:51 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

A friend called me the other day and asked me if I was still collecting old automatics and if so, would I like a few more. Well, what do you think I said to him? He said he guessed these were quite old and that he was sure I would like them.

Imagine my surprise when his truck pulled up and I spotted the Kenmore bolt down! Lordy me, I now have a parts donor for the identical bolt down I drove up to Seattle and I got from Kelly back in 2006!!!!!!! I've almost had it running over the last couple of years but not totally. Now I've got something to work with and get that little bolty bolted down and running. I'm excited.





Post# 606539 , Reply# 1   6/26/2012 at 21:54 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        
Now the other machine.....

....has me totally stumped! It's an ABCOMATIC but it's a wringer model with traces of a semi automatic.

Post# 606541 , Reply# 2   6/26/2012 at 21:57 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

It's got a wringer but the clothes seem to disapper for about 15 inches and then come thru another wringer on the back end of the machine.

Post# 606542 , Reply# 3   6/26/2012 at 21:58 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

and here's a shot of the back of the machine.

Post# 606543 , Reply# 4   6/26/2012 at 22:05 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

Now here's what everybody calls "the money shot". I'd sure like to find out someday why it's called that. I do like that agitator.

Post# 606544 , Reply# 5   6/26/2012 at 22:07 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

It's got controls on both sides of the tub. The left side.....

Post# 606545 , Reply# 6   6/26/2012 at 22:11 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

..and the right side I'm still wondering where and what happens to the clothes once they go thru the first wringer. The machines has got me baffled.

Post# 606547 , Reply# 7   6/26/2012 at 22:14 (4,320 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Interesting.

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If those are hoses on the side and water temps, you may have a "Rinser" on your hands. The clothes are rinsed in the 15 inch space after the first set of rolls and then wrung again.

 

EDIT: Wrote and posted before your last pic. Indeed a Rinser. Amazing.


Post# 606548 , Reply# 8   6/26/2012 at 22:16 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

I'd have to be down on my hands and knees to run it ((--::

Post# 606549 , Reply# 9   6/26/2012 at 22:17 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

The "money shot" (for what it is worth) of the bolt down

Post# 606551 , Reply# 10   6/26/2012 at 22:21 (4,320 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Wow Dick, looks like this is what you found, I'm not sure but I don't remember anyone else posting that they had one of these very rare machines!


Post# 606552 , Reply# 11   6/26/2012 at 22:23 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

the bolt down looks like it could be made into a resonably decent machine although the lid is bent. Don't ask me why the lid is bent! And the dials are missing (proably broke off) on the control knobs.

Post# 606558 , Reply# 12   6/26/2012 at 22:33 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

I don't know if I'll put the ABC on my list of priorities at this point but I'm sure curious about it.
AND within the next couple of days I'll post about another auto that has been recently brought back to life.


Post# 606560 , Reply# 13   6/26/2012 at 22:36 (4,320 days old) by Dick_S. ()        
Wow Robert!

Thanks for the quick reply and information. That's kind of neat. Now I wished I could find out how that "rinser" works. Hmmmmmm......

Post# 606578 , Reply# 14   6/27/2012 at 00:29 (4,320 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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OHH EMM GEE! A ROUND TUB KENMORE! I've only ever seen one in my whole dam life. At a neighbor's circa 1950 when I cruised the neighborhood for housewives doing laundry in the garage where most washers were. About half the time I got cookies too. How different a world was it back then?

Post# 606585 , Reply# 15   6/27/2012 at 01:34 (4,320 days old) by badgerdx ()        

Cool Post! I love learning this stuff.

Post# 606605 , Reply# 16   6/27/2012 at 06:13 (4,320 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Because U Asked

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Webster's Definition:

Post# 606610 , Reply# 17   6/27/2012 at 07:07 (4,320 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Aferim!

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What a great find! I love those agitators.

 

Malcolm, thanks for research! Go Porn!

 

Did somebody here call for a washer repairman? (Makes me wonder if Ol' Lonely ever starred in his own film).


Post# 606611 , Reply# 18   6/27/2012 at 07:07 (4,320 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
COOL KM BOLT DOWN AUTOMATIC WASHER

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Hi Dick your new KM BD is about the oldest model of these interesting washers, it was a standard feature of these washers to include the Suds-Saver. I have the same machine awaiting restoration that I have had for many years. One interesting feature of these earliest bolt downs was that they used an electric pump with a universal brush type motor for the suds return pump instead of the separate belt driven pump that appeared by 1950 on all other WP built AWs from that point onward till 1954. From 1954 to the end of BD washer production WP always used one pump on its washers to but discharge the waste water and return the suds water for reuse.

 

I am curious Dick if your washer still has this electric suds return pump. It looks like your new machine sat out in the sun for many years which destroyed the few plastic parts that this machine used, hopefully between the two machines you now have you can complete one. This may inspire me to get mine done, I already sent the dials from mine to my great friend John who is restoring them. Before you get rid of what you will not use Dick we should talk as we may be able to help each other with parts.


Post# 606885 , Reply# 19   6/28/2012 at 15:11 (4,318 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Wow Dick

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I was looking for one of those ABC'S!! Its a Rinsing Wringer!! They're rare because they weren't made long, the autos came out soon after these or at the same time, look at the name on the front it says "automatic"!!

It was the last wringer ABC built and has the centric action agitator, just like the automatics.
It was designed to wash , wring, then a set of perforated rollers had holes to let water flow through the clothing to rinse them and then a second set of wringers behind that to dry them.

A real time saver!!

I had a beed on one a few years back but it was locked in a Chicago basement and the guy wasn't easy to deal with so I let it go.

Nice find!!


Post# 606887 , Reply# 20   6/28/2012 at 15:28 (4,318 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Nice find Dick!


Post# 606889 , Reply# 21   6/28/2012 at 15:32 (4,318 days old) by bradross (New Westminster, BC., Canada)        
Amazing acquisitions!

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Hello Dick...wow! that ABC is one interesting machine to add to your collection. Would love to see it in action!
...Brad


Post# 606897 , Reply# 22   6/28/2012 at 15:52 (4,318 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Fantastic Finds Dick...
They both will look good in your collection.
The bolt downs look vintage but seems the top rim is modern to me.
The very first agitator That captured my attention in my grandmothers 1950 something automatic.
The thumbnail cap straght vane, your agi seems cracked do you have
a rplacement...?
Best of luck on the repairs and happy washing.
Darren k


Post# 607047 , Reply# 23   6/29/2012 at 10:13 (4,318 days old) by Dick_S. ()        

mickeyd-Sorry I overlooked your post in my haste while uploading the pictures but in answer to your question-YES those are water hoses on the side of the wringer which was one point that really stumped me. I thought immediately of my Easy Spindrier which has a similiar water hookup with the temp of the water controlled by the water faucets while these on the ABC are controlled I assume by an actual water valve attached to the machine.

Arbilab-You're telling me it was a different world back then! The 50s were fabulous years and made such an impression on me that I have been trying to keep some parts of them alive thruout my life including the mid century house I have down to the 55 Bel Air Chevrolet.

My Godparents had a round tub Kenmore and my Godmother must have thought it was to be handled and operated as a fragile toy because she always sorted out the wash into very small loads which kept that Kenmore humming all day long at various times, WHICH gave me a chance to watch it all day long!

mrb627-Thanks for the "heads up" about a money shot. Now I know.

combo52- You brought up an interesting point and that just might be what the guy was ramblin' on about. He was saying something about the suds being returned which I was already fully aware of, it was hot and I just wanted to unload them and put them in the garage so I was kind of shuttin' out his babble. Wow! I'll have to take a look one of these days. That would be a real hoot having an electric pump sending the water back. Will let you know John.

jetocne-thanks for informing me about the perforated rollers and the rinse operation. Now a little about it makes sense. I need to learn more. Little by little I guess.

Brad-Yes it is a "different" little machine and my first thoughts were about leaving it sit however I have been getting emails that are spurring me on to dive in and get it running. I'm kind of getting a bit inspired so might me changing my mind here right soon.

I sure did miss seeing you at Kevin's washin and catching up.

aldspinboy-How observant you are-Yes the agi is cracked but I have another round tub Kenmore with a good agi waiting in the side wings.

And thanks to the rest of you guys who posted nice comments.

Now I'm starting to get a bit excited about this little ABC. ((--::


Post# 607149 , Reply# 24   6/29/2012 at 16:22 (4,317 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
ABC-o-Matic

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Dick,

That ABC automatic-wringer-rinser washer looks like it would be so much fun to play with.

I cant wait for more pictures and a water test to see what's what! Hope it goes smoothly.

Patrick



Post# 609864 , Reply# 25   7/12/2012 at 12:57 (4,304 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
1948 ad for your ABC

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Post# 609924 , Reply# 26   7/12/2012 at 18:15 (4,304 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Dick

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if you ever want a safe home for that machine--CAll Me!

jon



Post# 610548 , Reply# 27   7/16/2012 at 11:54 (4,300 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Dick see if you

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can get all this done in 1 hour!!

Let us know how it works out!

jon


Post# 610549 , Reply# 28   7/16/2012 at 11:55 (4,300 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
here's the whole ad

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from a scan. --- LOVE Scum Free Rinsing! hate SCUM on my Rinse!




Post# 610550 , Reply# 29   7/16/2012 at 11:58 (4,300 days old) by JETCONE (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
ahh what is a "wash skirt"

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Anybody know?? Launderess?

Hey Dick I wanted to ask in CA at Kevin's but forgot when Mixfinder whipped up all those birthday cakes for us--- how did you make out with your SpinDrier? It was a nice looking machine.

We needed more than a weekend to get to talk to everybody! Kevin what were you thinking?? Next time its a washer-week!!





Post# 610654 , Reply# 30   7/16/2012 at 23:48 (4,300 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
Ha! Ha!

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That sample load had 36 handkerchiefs...I guess that was before Kleenex caught on. Must have been cold and flu season.

I'm really curious about this ABC machine and what goes on in there beyond the first set of wringer rolls. It would be fun to see it operate.

Jon, you're right! There was not enough time to visit and talk to everyone at Kevin's CA wash-in. When I saw the pictures, there were people that I didn't even realize were there! All those great machines, all that great food, and all those great club members and friends...it all too much to absorb at once.


Post# 612363 , Reply# 31   7/25/2012 at 21:48 (4,291 days old) by Dick_S. ()        
I most confess.....

...there was a period that I half thought about the possibility of getting rid of the machine. HOWEVER, after coming back to my senses I've decided to keep it and tear into it after the hear cools down which should be around the end of September. During the next couple of months I will be gathering as much technical info I can find on the machine and HOW TO BEGIN TO TEAR IT DOWN AND GET INSIDE!!!((--:: Ha-Ha It's really going to be kind of cool if I can get it running.

Jetcone-The Easy Spindrier runs great and does everything the way it is supposed to. Guess I didn't finish up on that thread. The only thing I don't like about it is the low waterline WHICH I watch very carefully that I don't fill above, and the size of the load it takes. Guess I'm spoiled by the Maytag wringer and the LK wringer which both take significant size loads. Don't get me wrong. I don't do Bob size loads but I do think that two queen size sheets and 4 pillowcase should slosh around nicely in the Easy and be pulled down and around, which is not the case.

And yes, i also agree with you that we need loooonger wash-ins!!!!! Take care.



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