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Thread Number: 4115
Who Said Laundromats Don't Have Bock Extractors? |
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Post# 95923 11/28/2005 at 17:21 (6,716 days old) by launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well never say never, though cannot believe the insurance company allows it. Launderess CLICK HERE TO GO TO launderess's LINK on eBay | ||
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Post# 95935 , Reply# 1 11/28/2005 at 19:03 (6,716 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 95944 , Reply# 2 11/28/2005 at 19:45 (6,716 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 96004 , Reply# 3 11/28/2005 at 23:02 (6,716 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 96018 , Reply# 4 11/28/2005 at 23:12 (6,716 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 96028 , Reply# 6 11/28/2005 at 23:27 (6,716 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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IIRC most laundromats make their money on dryers, so any thing that cuts down on drying time eats into profits. Keeping that in mind one would assume use of the extractor is not free. Along the same lines, newer coin op washers offer "max extract" (usually for an extra fee)feature which extends the final spin a bit longer to extract more moisture for shorter drying times. Spelling: What the heck is "backage"? *LOL* Looks like a very clean mat, wonder why the owner is selling up? Still, someone is going to get a bargain, as Pete said, the Bock goes for $10,000 or more itself. More likely than not a refurb machine outfit will take the lot, but if one wanted to own/start up a mat, it is all there for a resonable price. Bet the landlord is chucking the laundromat out and owner wants to get the equipment out before landlord claims it. Most commercial leases in NY have a clause anything bolted to the walls, floors or ceiling becomes the landlords property. | ||
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Post# 96031 , Reply# 7 11/29/2005 at 00:10 (6,716 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York) |
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What the heck is  | ||
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Post# 96032 , Reply# 8 11/29/2005 at 00:11 (6,716 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York) |
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What the heck is | ||
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Post# 96033 , Reply# 9 11/29/2005 at 00:13 (6,716 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York) |
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Post# 96034 , Reply# 10 11/29/2005 at 00:18 (6,716 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York) |
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What the heck is | ||
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Post# 96035 , Reply# 11 11/29/2005 at 00:19 (6,716 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York) |
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Post# 96055 , Reply# 13 11/29/2005 at 06:47 (6,716 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 96056 , Reply# 14 11/29/2005 at 06:51 (6,716 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 96085 , Reply# 15 11/29/2005 at 09:30 (6,716 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Laundromat owners make their money from the washers. Dryers are more and more less profitable because of gas prices. Dryer income is typically 1/3 of total income. You bet they charge for the extractor. Typically .50 for a 3 min spin. The only manufacturer that offers a "max extract" option is Wascomat on their Emerald (computer controlled) line. It's hit or miss whether the owner charges for using that option or not. And since Wasco's pull about 90 G's in spin, the option really doesn't do much. Steve, I've been doing it for 6 years now. You have to remember that it is a profit center, not a playground... :) | ||
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Post# 96166 , Reply# 16 11/29/2005 at 18:05 (6,715 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Do the Hustle... | ||
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Post# 96175 , Reply# 17 11/29/2005 at 19:05 (6,715 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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| Post# 96325 , Reply# 18 11/30/2005 at 13:19 (6,714 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 96343 , Reply# 19 11/30/2005 at 16:30 (6,714 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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What , What ,What, What? | ||
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Post# 96405 , Reply# 20 11/30/2005 at 22:40 (6,714 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Laundromat machines that are "hard mounted" do not need a suspension system since they are bolted into several feet of concrete. Wonderful thing about such units is they do not twitter around like some home front loaders about spinning, just simply get the job done. Because the washer is bolted down, all forces generated by tumbling and spinning are sent down through the pit to be dispersed by the building. Have stood several feet away from a 50lb Wascomat spinning two large down featerbeds. While the washer was happily spinning away, one could feel slight tremors from the floor. Soft mount washers like their residential cousins have systems of counter weights, shock absorbers and or springs to act as suspension system. These systems deal with the forces generated by the washer as it tumbles and spins. Still such washers are happiest on soild surfaces. Down side can be on some washers is they are so sensitive to unbalanced loads they will either will not spin or spin at a reduced rpm. Either way the result is usually soaking wet or simply very wet laundry. Miele makes soft mount washers that probably are every bit as stable as hard mount units, but IIRC weigh in on the heavy side, which kind of makes sense. Launderess | ||
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Post# 96417 , Reply# 21 12/1/2005 at 06:57 (6,714 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 96430 , Reply# 22 12/1/2005 at 10:37 (6,714 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Speaking of Extra Spin/Max Extract features...
personally, I think they're a crock-and-a-half. 1) Unless you spin for an extra hour so that the air-stream helps dry the outer layer, I don't believe you're removing enough extra moisture to warrant running the washer for more time. You're better off letting the washer shut off and using the energy to run the dryer. 2) If Max Extract features sped up the spin speed significantly, that would make a difference, but I'm not aware that any machines do that. In brief, if you want to extract more moisture, you do it by significantly increasing the RPM's, not by letting a washer spin at 680-rmps for extra time. | ||
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Post# 97194 , Reply# 23 12/7/2005 at 06:50 (6,708 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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No Emerald for me... | ||
| Post# 97213 , Reply# 24 12/7/2005 at 09:22 (6,708 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Steve, There are 2 HUGE outfits in NYC that sell used laundromat equipment. I can get you the info if you like. It should be very easy for you to obtain a good, used, single phase, 120v Wasco Gen 3 or Gen 4 washer for a couple hundred dollars. The issue will be bolting it down and maybe the drain (gravity). | ||
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Post# 97215 , Reply# 25 12/7/2005 at 09:33 (6,708 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Dream machine becoming more real...
SURE! TYVM. Gravity drain-- no prob, nothing a separate "laundry tray" pump can't fix. The link is just an idea. There are better methods..... CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch's LINK | ||
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Post# 99069 , Reply# 26 12/20/2005 at 03:07 (6,695 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I have never seen a laundromat with a separate extractor of any brand. Or maybe they were there and I just didn't recognize what they were. Been a while since I used a laundromat. It's interesting that these extractors seem to be vertical axis. Is that an inherently more stable configuration for high speed spins? Are there any washers mounted on gimbals that can be horizontal axis for washing and vertical axis for spinning? | ||
| Post# 99106 , Reply# 28 12/20/2005 at 12:52 (6,695 days old) by spee_man () | ||
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Twin Tub In Germany we had those twintubs. An H Axis fullautomatic washer, without spincycle. Besides there was a highspeed vertical axis spinner. CLICK HERE TO GO TO spee_man's LINK | ||
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Post# 99127 , Reply# 29 12/20/2005 at 15:00 (6,694 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 99224 , Reply# 30 12/21/2005 at 08:05 (6,694 days old) by spee_man () | ||
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What brand twintub did you have? I never had one, my Aunt had a AEG Tournette Twinnie. | ||
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Post# 99247 , Reply# 31 12/21/2005 at 10:51 (6,694 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 99262 , Reply# 33 12/21/2005 at 14:14 (6,693 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have to say towels and other items spun in my Hoovermatic's spin dryer (21oo rpms, much smaller tub capacity than any Bock model), are much fluffier after line drying. This is even after 1200 rpm final spin in the front loader, so go figure. Most coin laundry ownwers we spoke with stated extractors were an insurance nightmare, hence they didn't install them. Have not seen one in ages. But, yes when properly installed and operated there should be a danger risk near nil. However considering how many people treat coin laundry equipment today, one has to wonder if it is worth the bother for you average urban mat owner. Landeress | ||
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Post# 99345 , Reply# 34 12/22/2005 at 06:37 (6,693 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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..and let us not forget faster spins cause wrinkles. Some of these don't always come out in the dryer. Perhaps why F/L-ers are obsessed with having the ability to set the spin speed slower. Is "None, Slow, Normal, Super" not enough of a selection? Do we really desperately need: 1,200 rpm 1,000 800 600 400 200 0 HOLD ??? CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch's LINK | ||
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Post# 99442 , Reply# 37 12/22/2005 at 20:08 (6,692 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Final Spin Speed: Our washing machine repair person told us there really isn't much difference in water extraction after about 1000 or 1200 rpm final spin speed. That is to say one reaches the laws of diminishing returns after a certian point and that spinning loads at uber speeds does not result in any more water being removed than say 1000 rpms. What super high spin speeds can do is cause terrible creasing, especially if done for too long. Happen to like front loaders with an option for no spinning and perhaps something between naught and 400. 400 is generally a "gentle" spin, but there are items one wishes to gently force water out of, such as delicate lace trim on bedding. When combined with some of the more delicate handwash cycles found on TOL washers like Miele's this can truly eliminate hand laundry all together. Bock Extractors, Using a towel on top of the wash load in a Bock extractor is rather like the spin mats used in twin tub extractors. Simple function is to keep the load below the rim tub line and prevent small items from being flug up and perhaps becoming wedged between the tubs. Worse still, having said wandering item making it's way into the pump. L. | ||
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Post# 99466 , Reply# 38 12/22/2005 at 21:28 (6,692 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 99500 , Reply# 39 12/23/2005 at 00:20 (6,692 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 99521 , Reply# 40 12/23/2005 at 06:59 (6,692 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Listen Monica... | ||
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Post# 100960 , Reply# 41 12/31/2005 at 20:35 (6,683 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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