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Arm&hammer powder detergent, is really that bad? |
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Post# 618542 8/20/2012 at 02:43 (303 days old) by kenmoreguy89  (Valenza ) |
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  Hi all, I've never personally tried the Arm&Hammer powder detergent just the liquid one and found it fairly good, and better than the liquid Tide, I was about reading some reviews online for the powder and found really bad and incredible comments about it.
The main complaints are about this detergent being "chalky" so it will leave a "chalky" white residue into clothes, so of course a white patina on colored and leaving laundry rigid and hard, as if you washed your laundry with gypsum or plaster powder instead of a detergent. This looks incredible to me, this would mean something weird happens at Church&Dwight factory! Only thing I've in mind right now is that the're trying cutting it with some weird stuff to increase profits, would be absurd as well, nobody would buy it anymore...... I found plenty reviews stating this issue, if yes it is always been so? How can this brand just still being on the market? | ||
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Post# 618545 , Reply# 1 8/20/2012 at 03:12 (303 days old) by vintagekitchen (columbia ky) |
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 That is from washing soda I beleive, a good old Arm and Hammer product, so of course they cram as much as they can into their detergent. While it is good to break down greasy type stains, it has several drawbacks.
It is harsh, both on the machin and the fabric if used in excessive amounts, it is not an all around cleaner, it cannot outdo enzymes for food and protein stains, and it does not whiten as well as other products, though it does whiten to a point. But the main drawback is that blasted residue. As many have pointed out, washing soda is a precipitating softener. It does soften the water, by bonding with minerals in it, but in doing so forms a precipitate which build up on your clothes and your machine, the white residue you speak of. This makes clothes stiff and harsh, and can't be good for the machine So why do they use it? Its a main builder in many cheap detergents, as better builders and softeners are more expensive. And since they happen to be the US leading producer and distributor of washing soda, (to my knowledge), they have a lot of the stuff lying about. So rather than pay another company for a more expensive ingredient, they use what they have on hand, and get a bigger profit. Or at least thats my opinion of why they use it. | ||
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Post# 618547 , Reply# 2 8/20/2012 at 03:21 (303 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area) |
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 When I first knew my partner Dave, he was using Arm & Hammer powder. It was awful. Even my acrylic dress socks were stiff from residue and felt like they were going to rip apart when I put them on. I made him stop buying it.
Stay away from it. The comments you have read are not incredible, they are absolutely true. | ||
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Post# 618552 , Reply# 3 8/20/2012 at 03:49 (303 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) |
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Post# 618554 , Reply# 4 8/20/2012 at 03:58 (303 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area) |
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Post# 618555 , Reply# 5 8/20/2012 at 04:00 (303 days old) by vintagekitchen (columbia ky) |
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A lot probably depends on one's water hardness. Im guessing harder water means more minerals for washing soda to bond with, which means more stiff white residue. So softer water would mean less minerals, less residue.
Just a guess, as I have only had the benefit of washing in soft water a few times at the homes of friends with rain water cisterns instead of wells or public water supply. You wouldnt believe the amount of suds they got with that soft rain water. | ||
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Post# 618556 , Reply# 6 8/20/2012 at 04:08 (303 days old) by qsd-dan (Pleasanton Ca (Bay Area) |
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Post# 618562 , Reply# 7 8/20/2012 at 05:57 (303 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) |
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Post# 618565 , Reply# 8 8/20/2012 at 06:37 (303 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Yes of course arm&hammer is the first producers of Washing soda and baking soda in USA, the fact of minerals and soda infact is what I was thinking, or at least a thing like that, but I know soda is a main builder in many detergents, not only cheap ones.....
So you say too much is "harsh" due to the fact that too many minerals builds up and precipitate..... Yes I think it is the reason why. But cannot help but think that I know that many detergents got actually good amounts (but within right limits) of washing soda and actually most of people does not complaint about residues from what I know. So why with Arm&hammer mostly? And why these minerals residues does not get rinsed away during rinses as likely happens with others containing good amounts of it? Because as said probaly A&H contains too much of it. But why and how it happend???? I've thought about this and conceivably I got a response, maybe obvious, maybe stupid.... You know washing soda is one of the main builder of many detergents or can be found in good amounts, as I know for example for persil (Dixan in Italy)and even american detergents as Ultra plus (Sears) or Sun is, I also have used washing soda once when it was feaest and stores were closed, I actually washed with soda and soap flakes grated from some laundry soap bars I had, but nothing happened to my laundry and we've very hard water, my father live in a farm and has his own well and even him never got issues with detergents containing great qty of soda like Dixan (Persil).... Never had even a little trace of white residues.....as far as I know.... So I just can guess now, more likely happens this, I'm not a chemistry so I could even be writing a lot of b*******s but I think is so, being a too higher concentration of soda in an hard water it bonds in an harder and heavier way with minerals instead of creating smoother, lighter and softer crystals, that would be indeed created with a right amount and so be washed away with the rinses, the reaction of too much soda+ minerals results to produce very tough and "hard" crystals which cling and stick to the fibers, so of course these crystals are not soluble in water, and so nor even be flushed away as they will be calcified and "stuck"to the fibers kinda if they're impregnated with hard cement. Maybe you could break the bond by rinsing with acid so maybe vinegar or by using some calgon or a detergent containing non-precipitating water softeners. Anyway, if really so it actually means just a thing, they put too much washing soda and that results in tragic laundry results for people with hard water, don't think their products will get much success in hard water areas...... Howevwer I personally think that a detergent having too much washing soda or having it as primar agent cannot be a good detergent of course, and of course not only for white minerals residues. Please keep commenting, I'd like to hear most experiences is possible. Thanks againe everyone. | ||
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Post# 618597 , Reply# 10 8/20/2012 at 10:20 (302 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Dustin, thank you so you say it had it's formula cahnged?
It is maybe made to accomplish the use in "he" models? So they actually could have set up a cheaper and pitiful low sudisng formula suitable for all types of machines,by putting less surfactans and soap and more soda, and by doing so reducing the amount anti-foaming agents and other more expensive ingredients for profit? May it be a possibility? Does it's box say it is suitable for both machines? When in US I only use to find it in liquid version verywhere I usually go, no A&H powders, so never got a chance to read it's box.... Just guessing..... Or maybe they tried to get a more concentrated formula by putting more washing soda with the attempt to make waters softer and try to enhance cleaning power instead of putting more concentrated surfactans and soap etc..... | ||
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Post# 618633 , Reply# 13 8/20/2012 at 13:31 (302 days old) by rp2813 (SF Bay Area) |
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No East Bay MUD water here. It's a mixture of 1) Mountain run-off; 2) Ground water that is re-charged via strategically placed percolation ponds that are fed by water from reservoirs, and 3) Imported water from the state water project. The predominant source is the re-charged groundwater, and it has a very high mineral content.
Oh, how I wish we had Hetch Hetchy water here. It's high quality stuff that needs almost no treatment, and tastes great directly from the tap. That's why my 20+ year old ISE dishwasher was like new when I bought it a couple of years ago. It came from up the peninsula where it lived on a steady diet of Hetch Hetchy. | ||
| Post# 618699 , Reply# 15 8/20/2012 at 16:06 (302 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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has 30 to 40 percent washing soda in in it!! so what's the dif | ||
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Post# 618743 , Reply# 17 8/20/2012 at 19:09 (302 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md) |
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Post# 618754 , Reply# 18 8/20/2012 at 19:53 (302 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) |
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Post# 618758 , Reply# 19 8/20/2012 at 20:12 (302 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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Post# 618938 , Reply# 20 8/21/2012 at 10:01 (301 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Thank you all again for commenting.
"YES there is a reason it is so CHEAP." Well but actually from the prices I've seen on line it does not look that "cheap" well of course it's cheaper than Tide but I could tell you alot of other brands which actually are cheaper or same cost and works fine. So it is not that obvious at least for me. | ||
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Post# 619283 , Reply# 21 8/22/2012 at 19:22 (300 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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Arm & Hammer powdered laundry detergent at least as of 2007 was 70% to 85% sodium carbonate (washing soda). The rest is a small amount of phosphates (STPP), enzymes, clay, surfactants, fragrance, and so forth.
You might as well purchase a box of Sal or washing soda and use that for your laundry along with soap as it's pretty much the same thing. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 619287 , Reply# 22 8/22/2012 at 19:27 (300 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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You can find links to other Arm & Hammer products by following the link below.
It does seem that all powdered versions of their laundry detergents contain the same large amounts of washing soda as noted above. Ever since it came upon the laundry/cleaning scene (replacing the ash and plant matter what was soaked to release natural carbonates), sodium carbonate in most forms has been known to be harsh on pretty much everything it touches. Fabrics, human skin, etc.... It is the main reason for "wash day red hands" that women and anyone else suffered from after prolonged exposure to hot soda and soap laden water used for cleaning everything from dishes to laundry historically. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 619288 , Reply# 23 8/22/2012 at 19:29 (300 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619291 , Reply# 24 8/22/2012 at 19:50 (300 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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Post# 619296 , Reply# 25 8/22/2012 at 19:59 (300 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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I actually get red hands even if I wash with just a soap bar in hot water......then human skin is different from fabrics I don't think soda is harsh to fabrics, at least for what Laundress means for harshness....it of course produce alot of deposit in hard waters that stick into clothes if you put too much of it....
Found a chart online saying that soduim carbonate is not corrosive but mild irritant to human skin, never heard of it being harsh on clothes, irritate skin a little if time in solution is long, I've experienced this by doing dishes with it, no more than some other chemical surfactans though, it is just that for laundry you take hands more time in the solution and skin reacts differently and absorb elements in it....and of course a detergent or washing soda isn't what I'd call Neutrogena....LOL I think it is safe to use on clothes in right concentrations as it won't leave white coating or residues, and to be at at least a moderate "complete" cleaner have to be combined with other ingredients just like even only soap. For istance I never expected to get the results I'd have with Tide or a normal laundry detergent but is okay for lightly soiled....... Washing soda is always in my home detergent closet as for soap bars as it is very versatile when you run out of detergents.... Soda is well known to cut grease,it also have some "bleaching" properties.... That is why Alluminum if gets in contact with a sodiukm carbonate solutuion oxidate, washing soda is evil for aluminum...... I don't think it is harsh on fibers...... This post was last edited 08/22/2012 at 20:46 | ||
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Post# 619297 , Reply# 26 8/22/2012 at 20:06 (300 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Soda is way more heavy than soap and surfactans, that is also why dishwasher powders use to weight so much if compared to laundry powders, actually with that much soda in the Arm&hammer they could even sell it even for dishwashers if they added anti foam agents! LOL I think it have more soda than a dishwasher powder!
Let's check.... The finish powder bottle I've right here says Sodyum Carbonate 55-65%, then surfactans enzymes and percarbonate etc.......Arm&Hammer have 85%!!!! Oh crazy world! | ||
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Post# 619298 , Reply# 27 8/22/2012 at 20:07 (300 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619306 , Reply# 28 8/22/2012 at 20:52 (300 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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Like most alkaline substances combines with fats and oils to make soaps. This chemical reacation has been taken advantage of for ages when using soda ash or washing soda to clean dishes or greasy/oily soils.
Automatic dishwashing detergents in powder form are usually very alkaline loaded with washing soda and other caustic chemicals. These did the heavy lifting of breaking down soil on dishes in the absence of today's modern enzymes and surfactants. Still for all that most DW powdered and tablets contain soda, just usually much less per dose than historically. One small Finish tablet will clean as well as two full dw cups of old. | ||
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Post# 619312 , Reply# 29 8/22/2012 at 21:55 (300 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md) |
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Post# 619330 , Reply# 30 8/22/2012 at 22:51 (300 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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Post# 619425 , Reply# 31 8/23/2012 at 07:43 (299 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md) |
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A&H home laundry detergents have long been marketed as an environmentally oriented brand since the mid 1970s at least and I have never seen a box or bottle that lists anymore than insignificant trace amounts of any type of phosphates. Maybe you or someone with a detergent box collection can prove this. | ||
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Post# 619458 , Reply# 33 8/23/2012 at 09:38 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Excuse me Laundress but I knew that soap was made thanks to sodium hydroxide very basic substance (Castic soda), not sodium carbonate (washing soda), at least this is what I make home made soap bars with......
Me and my sister have tried to make home made soap with it and came out very good ..... If you want I can give you guys our recipe, is very simple to make, just requires some caution, you have to be careful nandling caustic soda as it is highly corrosive, we tried making Marseille soap with olive oil, also we got soap bars with corn oil and peanut oil, you just have to know the coefficient of saponification of every oil to calculate every percentage of sodium hydroxide needed from oil to oil actually you can do it with every kind of fat, we also made it with corn oil and peanut oil.... And we added essential oils for perfume, i made great laundry bars lemon and lavender scented. Actually I think laundress "confuse" washing soda only with the old laundry lye that once was obtained in the old days by filtering wood ash boiled solution, that one contained some percentages of sodium hydroxide also along with sodium carbonate...lye is the modern word that refers to caustic soda very corrosive substance that was obtained by wood ashes as well, at least this is what wikipedia tells me. Now I'd need to make some distinctions: Lye as said means also a strong solution of sodium hydroxide actually used to make soap, obtained in the past as well by wood ashes and by boiling it for more time I guess, while laundry lye was the one used on it's own for laundry and dishes obtained by boiling ashes solution for less time I guess actually making a "soda ash" rather than a lye whre hydroxide was the major component rather than sodium carbonate (soda ash is the old name for washing soda). I think the website makes some confusion and calls lye both the things.... So all 2 kinds of "lye", caustic and "less caustic" were obtained of course by boiling and filtering wood ashes,laundry lye or soda ash was used as cleaner alone or with soap but over sodium carbobnate (washing soda) it also contained little percentage of sodium hydroxide due to the fact of the antique boiling extraction method that actually could produce corrosive potassium or sodium hydroxide if boiling was prolonged, actually they tasted the soda ash mixture by dropping a drop on the tongue and as it was itching a bit it means it was ready, anyway is the old soda ash or "lye" the one that was harsh since it would contain always some hydroxides in it, it couldn't be sodium carbonate only..... and this explains why the irritated and red hands Laundress mention. I also used to see here in Italy a packed form of laundry lye (Lisciva) called: Lisciva la sulfonella", actually the main ingredient is sodium carbonate and no traces of caustic soda in it. So Lye intended as caustic soda is the corrosive substance with whcih you make soap, while laundry/cleaning lye or soda ash is the one that most fits and is similar to the washing soda even if as said contained traces of caustic soda, washing soda intended as (sodium carbonate) alone indeed is not corrosive and also saponification process cannot be made from it..... This post was last edited 08/23/2012 at 11:53 | ||
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Post# 619460 , Reply# 34 8/23/2012 at 09:42 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619461 , Reply# 35 8/23/2012 at 09:43 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619463 , Reply# 36 8/23/2012 at 09:43 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619482 , Reply# 37 8/23/2012 at 11:46 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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When I read the part about the Tide in comparison it helped me to understand why I have been having so much trouble with the new concetrated Tide HE powder and my very soft water.I have never seen A&H powder on market here, majority of shelves are liquids. Cheers :) | ||
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Post# 619526 , Reply# 39 8/23/2012 at 15:29 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619552 , Reply# 40 8/23/2012 at 16:44 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619565 , Reply# 41 8/23/2012 at 18:14 (299 days old) by Launderess (La Pomme Grande) |
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When I post something links are provided to back up what has been said. All one gets in response is "I don't think" or "No that isn't right"... Well unless you've got something to back-up or otherwise disprove what one has stated (and provided said link to) then it might be better to reconsider.
It is not possible to have an debate on any matter when the otherside keeps pulling things from air without offering supporting facts. The Church *thought* the world was flat and we see where that position got them. | ||
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Post# 619569 , Reply# 42 8/23/2012 at 18:29 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619572 , Reply# 43 8/23/2012 at 19:13 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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You got offended because I said you confused??? Well that is true! And let me tell you a thing, you're not perfect as I'm not and nobody is, so if you want to get offended for a STUPID thing like this or because I "corrected" you in something that everyone would confuse well, feel free to be so childish!
Said this since you want something to back up, here you're served: Is not maybe true that the chemical formula of Sodium Carbonate formula is:Na2CO3? (refer to link 1) Is not maybe true that formula for sodium hydroxide is: NaOH? (refer to link 2) So different things? Response is YES! Is not maybe true that with wood ash you can produce lye and by letting boiling it more getting hydroxide? (refer to link 3) YES! Are both potassium and sodium hydroxide caustic and corrosive? Refer to link (2-4) Is washing soda corrosive? (refer to the first link I attached before and also number 1) NO! Is not maybe true that soap was always been made thanks to lye and so hydroxides and not soda ash carbonate? Refer always to the first link and all the others one, especially the one of carbonate not mentioning saponification anywhere!) YES! So this just because I do not know what are your concerns laundress.....if you explain better what are your doubts about just let me know..... I don't take things from the air as it would seems..... Starting with link Number one: CLICK HERE TO GO TO kenmoreguy89's LINK This post was last edited 08/23/2012 at 19:28 | ||
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Post# 619573 , Reply# 44 8/23/2012 at 19:14 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619589 , Reply# 49 8/23/2012 at 20:03 (299 days old) by vintagekitchen (columbia ky) |
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Look, Kenmoreguy89, I dont want to dive headfirst into this mess you are doing your best to create, but it looks like I'm gonna have to at least dabble my toes in the water. Launderess was not confusing lye and washing soda. Her statement was correct. Sodium Carbonate does help to convert oils and grease into a soap like substance. No, it is not often used now, but if you dissolve it in boiling water, pour in melted grease, and cook it, you get a sort of soap jelly one can use for cleaning. Boil it longer and add a few other things, you get soap bars.
How do I know this? My great grandmother used to make it, as well as making lye soap. Lye soap was for laundry and household cleaning, Sal soda soap was for bathing and cleaning people. And she did not use wood ash lye in place of Sal Soda, such as you mentioned, she used store bought Sal Soda, which has been available in this country for a few hundred years now, and in europe as well. The theory you give as to how this, "laundry lye" was extracted, and boiled to turn it into regular lye, is incorrect as well. Perhaps in major manufacturing, or perhaps in your home country, but not here. One did not use weak or once filtered lye for anything. Lye was made by filtering the solution through the ashes over and over, adding fresh ashes as needed, until it was strong enough. No, it was not as pure as store bought, containing traces of Sal soda, but when things are homemade traces of impurities and other such things must be tolerated. If a waker solution was needed, the now strong lye was watered down. Sal soda was not made at home at all, it was purchased by the pound. And no one with any respect for their body would have tested the lye on their tongue. Lye was not strong enough to make soap until it was also strong enough to burn and become caustic to human flesh. If one tested the lye on their tongue for strength, it would not itch, it would burn their tonge and leave a wound. Lye was considered strong enough based on 2 main tests. It should be able to make a fresh chicken egg float, and if one drops a chicken feather into the lye, it should dissolve. That is not something one wishes to drop on their tongue. All this palaver of making, testing, etc, is why women in this country readily took to store bought lye when it became available. However, they did not forget how to make it themselves, as store bought was not always affordable, or handy when one needed to make soap, depending on ones finances and distance from the nearest town. There was no need to say Launderess was confused, when she was correct and had references to back it up, as you would have known if you had taken the time to look, or ask others if you thought she might be wrong, rather than attempting to state it outright. As well, there was no need for that childish display of online yelling and temper tantrumming when she said she was offended. This is a civil forum, and I would like to think we can all conduct ourselves in a civil manner. And if you still dont beleive washing soda/sal soda/sodium carbonate will make soap, here is a recipe similar to my great grandmothers, for english bar soap, made not with lye, but with sal soda, which is washing soda, which is sodium carbonate. Not sodium hydroxide, which is lye. CLICK HERE TO GO TO vintagekitchen's LINK | ||
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Post# 619596 , Reply# 50 8/23/2012 at 20:41 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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I meant laundry soap bars not jelly soap stuff to turn into soap bars you need to use hydroxides or a stronger , looks like lye is produced the same way here and there, here probably used to produce 2 kinds of lye as I said one lighter and one stronger and I said it! The less stronger they tasted was the one they added in the laundry tub! , of course one would not use it filtered just once never said this also....and never that they tasted lye meant as strong hydroxide solutions!
I know once they tasted lye (lisciva) if you don't believe it I give u the link! Only bother you have to transalte it as it is in italian..... I just never heard that with sodium carbonate you can make soap....never! By the way, there is a legend that say the first soap obtained was thanks to the wife of a fisherman of savona Italy that casually boiling the "lisciva" lye with oil obtained the first soap, that also why the word soap "sapone" in italian and the french word "savon" resembles the city of Savona.... This is another story... In this country nobody used to produce soap with washing soda, also I found many blogs stating it is not possible....wrong? correct? Now thanks of you I know they were wrong! And I just said that I thought that she was wrong, and with this? World is full of people that thinks someones is wrong and then it is not and shows why, she just had to say: "look babye it is not so", and be clear... not the enbittered way she used "when one responds to me- took from the air" etc.....here are the links from which I took info from.....maybe they're a lot of bullshits but where I learnt what i said.... So if she just had something to say or prove me, in a better and calmer way she would be more than welcome! As you're of course! And thank you for teaching something that I did not knew and could not learn! Not stating that I take things from the air and acting that way cuz she got offended, actually this is CHILDISH!.....then someone talk about civilty! ahahahah! ....I think I should get away from this website, Too many queens that always want o be right in there...... This post was last edited 08/23/2012 at 20:56 | ||
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Post# 619597 , Reply# 51 8/23/2012 at 20:51 (299 days old) by vintagekitchen (columbia ky) |
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Post# 619602 , Reply# 53 8/23/2012 at 21:03 (299 days old) by vintagekitchen (columbia ky) |
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I have no interest in always being right. If I knew everything, there would be nothing left to learn and life would become rather boring. But some people are more knowledgeable in certain areas than others are.
I do not know as much about the historical laundry processes as Launderess, just what I started with growing up in an area that was historically poor but proud enough of cleanliness to go to whatever lengths necessarry to acheive it, (ask the generations of women from before rubber gloves were readily available here who scrubbed their floors on their hands and knees with sand and watered down lye, destroying their once lovely hands, and then rubbed pine oil into those floors, despite how it must have burnt their hands which were raw from the watered down lye), and I built my studies from there. Launderess and a few others on here have made nearly a lifetime study of the art of laundry and homemaking, and I am always ready to learn when info is available. I am not saying I can guarantee that they are always 100% right, but they have yet to lead me wrong. I am not attempting to join nor start a fight here, just attempting to correct a misunderstanding / misconception, before it all blows out of proportion. | ||
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Post# 619607 , Reply# 54 8/23/2012 at 21:07 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 619611 , Reply# 55 8/23/2012 at 21:10 (299 days old) by vintagekitchen (columbia ky) |
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English Bar Soap
6 gallon soft water, 6 pounds good stone lime, 20 pound sal soda, 4 ounce borax, 15 pounds fat (tallow is best), 10 pound pulverized resin, and 4 ounce beeswax. Put the water in a kettle on the fire, and when nearly boiling add the lime and soda. Whene these are dissolved add the borax, boil gently and stir until all is dissolved, then add the fat, resin, and beeswax. Boil all gently until it shows flaky on the stick, then pour into molds. This recipe is from the book "The Artisans Guide and Everybody's Assistant", B y Richard Moore. It is available on Google books to read online. | ||
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Post# 619615 , Reply# 56 8/23/2012 at 21:12 (299 days old) by vintagekitchen (columbia ky) |
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That sentence is simply because I was hoping this would all blow over, and I was not looking forward to diving into already muddied waters to take a swim. However I felt it necessary to point out a few things, therefore I dabbled my toes in the muddy water.
And when you asked this, it was not really necessary to make another poke at Launderess by comparing her and yourself in terms of getting offended. Sometimes it is best to leave things alone. I have said all I can offer on this subject for the time being, and I do not intend to further muddy the waters. I hope everyone else can agree not to do so either. We a small community, and it is in all our best interests not to fight amongst ourselves. | ||
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Post# 619621 , Reply# 57 8/23/2012 at 21:27 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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That is much appreciated kevin,but actually looks like you want make me pass as the one that is rude, fighty etc...I'm not this way...so since I never had of fighting problems and such with other members and this when laundress wasn't involved I think would be wise to ignore each other,I would have appreciated her to explain me with calm if she really is that wise...I don't know why she got offended and embittered that much, if you say she passed her whole life on these studies I just cannot know this, I could be wrong thinking she is wrong on something, then is she that if she cares have to explain me better but with calm.......
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Post# 619622 , Reply# 58 8/23/2012 at 21:31 (299 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Hey there, I have the ability to not just confuse but be confused.I have both issues with the new Tide. Cheers :) | ||
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Post# 619717 , Reply# 60 8/24/2012 at 07:59 (298 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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It acyually sound strange.....those are the results you'd get if you put too much, I'm not saying that you use too much of it, but if you tried it to use less amounts and you get same thing I just do not know.....I just know that if you've really soft water you should use less than reccomended amount...
Never tried Tide HE.....I just used once Gain HE. Do you get this only with Tide HE powder? | ||
| Post# 619720 , Reply# 61 8/24/2012 at 08:11 (298 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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No, I also tried some Gain HE powder from a friend, it is bizarre though both worked great before the product was made in concentrate form.I used a two teaspoon coffee scoop measure for a full load with those results. | ||
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Post# 619722 , Reply# 62 8/24/2012 at 08:21 (298 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Yep that actually is bizarre........
Not sure what they changed in the new formula if they more sodium carbonate or other things..... It probably is so, if only we could find a chart online for old and new formula it would be immediate what and if something has changed.... So what you use now? Just liquids? | ||
| Post# 619734 , Reply# 63 8/24/2012 at 09:36 (298 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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Liquids are worse than the powders I use to use, so I use Persil Universal powder and Megaperls for color.Works great no issues just clean laundry :) | ||
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Post# 619736 , Reply# 64 8/24/2012 at 09:46 (298 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Post# 620097 , Reply# 66 8/25/2012 at 15:39 (297 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Thank you Harley for your opinions and reviews, and glad to finally meet a Kansan on here!!! Granma and mom were from Olathe.
I hate talking about Laundress matter again, but I have to state absolutely that I've nothing against her, I admit that "historically" didn't agree with her, even when I don't used to post on here but just reading, her points of views not always have suited mine, I'm not talking about demonstrable facts or not as they were above, just the way of thinking she has, said this everyone is diferent and of course I acdept others opinions, even in the past I had discussions based on simple opinions with her, and will never forget the one of the Sunbeam Portable dryer, she actually looked like wanted to say her opinion was right and correct at every cost and just would not accept mine , the matter discussed was usefulness....this is not the matter anyway. This time demonstrable facts were on the matter.... Tought she confused soda to lye, I did know, wrongly know, that with washing soda you could not make soap intended as saponifcation process, things read and learned online, I wrote and linked where I took things and info from ,a few links in which some things were correct some maybe less or bad explained, maybe I still know something wrong who knows? Only thing I can do is write what I know and think, and so if in that moment I thought she was confusing I just wrote it, is it bad? Is this a thing for someone would get offended or upset? Just do not know.... but Isn't this a disccusion forum? What is it's purpoese then if not the one pf sharing info, opinions, thoughts ec? I just cannot accept someone treats me like a dummy who write just beacause he can type and that , how she said? Have to have it's horn split, she used that term if I remember correctly, I cannot accept someone stating that I take things from the air when actually isn't, I wrote what I knew and thought in that moment providing back up links before and after while she didn't actually, I was accused of pullings info from nowhere almost like if I invented them, I of course wrote that I tought she was confusing that not necessarily means IT ABSOLUTELY IS,.... but what I learned as for lye process etc even if maybe I did not explained well as it was since Kevin as he said have understand it differently from my explanation, I've enough more links I've visited rescued to prove back up of what has been said from me, and I'm not saying they are absolutely correct either,this is just what I could learn from and anyway not took from the air but from a thing called "internet"...that not always is a reliable source, but actually if you vist more sources saying the same thing it probably is. Snarkey response, I admit I have posted snarkey response but just after snarkey response was provided to me..... I'd have apologized for thinking she was confusing, a thing that I would have done only if her response was a civil one, actually now I just want to ignore her in the future and avoid similar situations to repeat again, I don't absolutely feel the need to apologize for snarkey responses after first wasn't started from me. It has been a simple misunderstanding/misconcemption let's call even incorrect opinion or thought, as it was it from my side that I would have never expected to be transformed in a such idyllic commedy. I don't like fights, always offered my help for the little things and favours to memebrs I can do from being actually in Italy...as I would have done for laundress despite not liking her way of thinking.....and for all the other that could not think same way I do....that I think is the most normal of the things since we're a community with the purpose to help each other, i just don't like to pass as the fighty dumbass on duty who looks for fights never wanted, never will.... This post was last edited 08/25/2012 at 21:35 | ||
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Post# 620103 , Reply# 67 8/25/2012 at 16:27 (297 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) |
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Buy some Sears detergent!!!! | ||
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Post# 620106 , Reply# 68 8/25/2012 at 16:40 (297 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Thought I wrote it before in response to you, maybe I forgot sorry, you know I had others discussions to keep going, sorry again.
I already used it, but never wrorked that good on certain stains for me, I ended using it for lightly soiled, actually it did not even had a nice scent, almost odorless and I don't like odorless detergents.... it was the green type, shipped to me second time I had a "detergent exchange" with a member on here, Carl Collins a very generous and kind member...... | ||
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Post# 620118 , Reply# 69 8/25/2012 at 17:12 (297 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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Sorry, I have exchanged you for another member who mentioned Ultra Plus before, just noticed now of it, you actually is the fist time that post in this thread.... sorry again!
And BTW I never left a comment about Ultra Plus as I thougjt so this is valid and due since I also mentioned it.... That is the reason why personally I would not use again Ultra Plus.... At least does not leave white residues, at least looks so, with me didn't, actually no one as said never did this, and I know it contains a good amount of washing soda in it......not probably as much as the A&H, that is just crazy 85%!. The main issue is Tha Ultra plus just does not work on certian kind of dirts for me, and no smell good also, honestly expected it to be better....I was quite disappointed.... This post was last edited 08/25/2012 at 18:00 | ||
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Post# 620190 , Reply# 71 8/25/2012 at 21:14 (297 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza ) |
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