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Post# 619130 8/22/2012 at 08:03 (4,263 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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 Yesterday I went to a trade show for independent appliance retailers and spent a few hours reviewing the new appliances from GE, WP, KA, MT, mostly skipped LG as time was short and finally Frigidaire-Electrolux.
First of all the show was held in the convention center of the beautiful new Gaylord Hotel at National Harbor in Prince Georges County Maryland... WOW what a beautiful development with stunning views overlooking the Potomac River and Washing DC. If you live here or plan to visit the area this is just one more great attraction that is worth checking out.
The awaited new FD TL washers are interesting, I an going to call them Agitatub2 as the plastic wash basket and what looks like an impeller disk in the bottom are one piece. They make two different levels of this washer, the more expensive model has a window ans a pump to recirculate the water as it is washing through 6 ports around the tub cover. The basket assembly makes about four revolutions in each direction as it washes, it looks fairly impressive but they only had about four small hand towels in it [ I can't in vision what it would do with 8 pairs of men jeans LOL ] They also have a less expensive model that lacks the water recirculation and a window [ I am sure that you wouldn't want to watch that one. The better one is around $600 and the other around $500 and both should be available in September.
GE has some interesting new laundry products cumming out by years end. These are a new line of BIGGER TL washers and dryers, the washer will be available in capacities of 4.8 and 5 cubic feet and the dryers are 7.8 CF, these machines will all be 28" wide. These new machines have a very dramatic styling [ control panel slightly reminiscent of 1961-2 Frigidaire Custom Imperial W&Ds ] The washers are to be built here and the dryers in Mexico. The dryers look to be LG drum style which is basically a copy of WPs four roller 27" dryers. But thank goodness they are finally getting away from the one piece drum that are basically clothes scorchers and lint collectors and general fire hazards. Even MT figured this out in the 1970s when they abandoned the HOH dryer.
If I have time later I will try to post more and they did let me take some pictures but I am not sure whether I should post them on the products that are not out yet? | ||
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Post# 619141 , Reply# 1 8/22/2012 at 08:28 (4,263 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 619151 , Reply# 2 8/22/2012 at 09:30 (4,263 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 619166 , Reply# 3 8/22/2012 at 10:59 (4,263 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Maybe post them in the paid section where only members can see them to avoid trouble? | ||
| Post# 619171 , Reply# 4 8/22/2012 at 11:25 (4,263 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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| Post# 619878 , Reply# 5 8/24/2012 at 20:32 (4,260 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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found a video on youtube i am so excited! looks like an agi-tub brought back to life lol CLICK HERE TO GO TO toploader1984's LINK | ||
| Post# 619891 , Reply# 6 8/24/2012 at 21:21 (4,260 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Post# 619893 , Reply# 7 8/24/2012 at 21:34 (4,260 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 619894 , Reply# 8 8/24/2012 at 21:34 (4,260 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
will it be avalable in canada as well? | ||
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Post# 619896 , Reply# 9 8/24/2012 at 21:44 (4,260 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Frigidaire! | ||
| Post# 619940 , Reply# 12 8/25/2012 at 00:49 (4,260 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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| Post# 619944 , Reply# 13 8/25/2012 at 00:53 (4,260 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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he the stack units say 3.3 cubic feet, the regular units are 3.43 d.o.e, so i have read so far. | ||
| Post# 619946 , Reply# 14 8/25/2012 at 00:57 (4,260 days old) by AutoWasherFreak () | ||
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The water level looks pretty high at 0:30. | ||
| Post# 620000 , Reply# 15 8/25/2012 at 09:19 (4,260 days old) by mwb (Missouri) | ||
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FYI enjoy CLICK HERE TO GO TO mwb's LINK | ||
| Post# 620001 , Reply# 16 8/25/2012 at 09:21 (4,260 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
Advanced Rinse Technology | ||
| Post# 620019 , Reply# 17 8/25/2012 at 12:04 (4,260 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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its strange but for a top load even do it has no agitator i love the 6 was spray it acts like a powerful spray that hits the dirt right on the sopt to remove it and the fresh water rinse acts like it can remove all the suds from clothes with would be perfect for me as sometime strong perfume
smells makes me sneeze | ||
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Post# 620040 , Reply# 18 8/25/2012 at 13:13 (4,259 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New Frigidaire Agitator TL Washer Thanks guys for finding and posting the links to the videos. As you can see from the videos the one piece tub-agitator will no dough be the most ineffective HI-Efficiency washer to date when washing large dirty loads or large items. When I was watching it at the show earlier this week I suggested that to the Frigidaire Rep I wanted to try it with a nice load of about 8 pairs of dirty work jeans, LOL.
I am fairly sure that it has a suspension system where it hangs from the top of the cabinet as the older style suspension will not tolerate a 800 RPM spinning. | ||
| Post# 620046 , Reply# 19 8/25/2012 at 13:37 (4,259 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Cool | ||
| Post# 620068 , Reply# 20 8/25/2012 at 14:16 (4,259 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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Post# 620078 , Reply# 21 8/25/2012 at 14:37 (4,259 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New Frigidaire Agitator TL Washer | ||
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Post# 620086 , Reply# 22 8/25/2012 at 14:56 (4,259 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 620088 , Reply# 23 8/25/2012 at 15:00 (4,259 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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frigidaire i wonder how quiet the pump is when draining and the motor when spinning, that's one thing i do NOT like about my 2009 frigidaire TL, is the noisy drain pump. | ||
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Post# 620100 , Reply# 24 8/25/2012 at 15:56 (4,259 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Funny thing about Frigidaire pumps......they start out quiet, and then gradually get noisier.....I have the FL with the square door, bought in 2008, and for some reasoin, every two years, they replace the pump, under warranty, because its gets so loud, you hear it over top of the spin.....now that it has been replaced, you don't hear it, or the machine until the last spin...
almost as if the impellor gets off balance, and vibrates the heck out of it, and the base plate its mounted to amplifies the sound..... | ||
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Post# 620115 , Reply# 25 8/25/2012 at 17:10 (4,259 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I'd like to see it washing a maximum capacity load. These impeller washers are always shown washing a small load in promotional videos.
Also: Why on Earth would you make one of these without the recirculating water jets? It appears, from the video, that the water jets are an integral part of the cleaning system. This post was last edited 08/25/2012 at 19:47 | ||
| Post# 620165 , Reply# 26 8/25/2012 at 20:04 (4,259 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
I think this looks like quite a promising machine. I notice you can de-select the energy saver option. I presume this adds more water to the wash phase. I did notice the small print at 0.06, claims are based on an 8lb wash load. That seems awfully small. Even so, I do like this machine. The all in one tub and impeller means less to go wrong mechanically I would think. I do have a fondness for the video's of the agitub I have seen on youtube. As mentioned by others, would be interesting to see how this machine handles really big loads.
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Post# 620195 , Reply# 27 8/25/2012 at 21:33 (4,259 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 620285 , Reply# 28 8/26/2012 at 04:59 (4,259 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Info from an older thread
The base plate looks like it has the usual Frigidaire snubber suspension system.
See pictures in thread at link. CLICK HERE TO GO TO pdub's LINK | ||
| Post# 620502 , Reply# 29 8/26/2012 at 23:01 (4,258 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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frigidaire TL found a brochure CLICK HERE TO GO TO toploader1984's LINK | ||
| Post# 620522 , Reply# 30 8/27/2012 at 01:01 (4,258 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.) | ||
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And the Matching Dryer??? Do you know where there is a spec sheet for the Matching Dryer as well??? The New Frigidaire Washer looks like it is likable. So far, I like it. --Charles-- | ||
| Post# 620525 , Reply# 31 8/27/2012 at 01:25 (4,258 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.) | ||
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Never Mind.... This is my first attempt to post this link about the Matching Dryer... I hope it works... Here it is: --Charles-- CLICK HERE TO GO TO chaskelljr2's LINK | ||
| Post# 620526 , Reply# 32 8/27/2012 at 01:30 (4,258 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.) | ||
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Dryer Link Second attempt.... --Charles-- CLICK HERE TO GO TO chaskelljr2's LINK | ||
| Post# 620527 , Reply# 33 8/27/2012 at 01:35 (4,258 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.) | ||
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My Links Don't Work... But I have downloaded the brochure to the Matching Dryer as well. I really like this set.... Whether it is durable like a Speed Queen or even an older Frigidaire 1-18 remains to be seen. --Charles-- | ||
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Post# 620569 , Reply# 34 8/27/2012 at 07:35 (4,258 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New Frigidaire TL Washer Our you guys really looking at this washer? the tub and agitator are ONE PIECE this has never be done before in a washer that does not have a deep water fill, in the videos the small load of clothing is not turning over at all.
The machine could prove fairly durable as it is very simple, time will tell. But there have been only two TL Hi Efficiency washers that really turned a load and did a great job cleaning big dirty loads, the WP built Calypso and the Maytag built Neptune TL washers. Unfortunately both had some issues, the Calypso was too expensive to build and had reliability problems and the MT tangled so badly and with MT being in financial trouble they just the design to Haier. | ||
| Post# 620606 , Reply# 36 8/27/2012 at 12:17 (4,258 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Wash Action
It appears that it may shower the load with water while spinning the solution through the laundry and out through the basket holes. Cleaning ability may be close to that of the Whirlpool Calypso machine. It certainly has peaked interest.
Looking forward to additional video information on the machine's action. Looks pretty cycle rich for the price. Although, no on board heater to maintain a wash temp. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 620607 , Reply# 37 8/27/2012 at 12:17 (4,258 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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Post# 620699 , Reply# 38 8/27/2012 at 18:18 (4,257 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Price point: Frigidaire is known for their low introductory prices when a newly-designed product is first released. The price then creeps upward after only a couple of weeks.
The tub size, 3.4 cu. ft., is smaller than most "impeller" machines. My 2006 Frigidaire top-loader (with agitator) had a 3.0 cu. ft. tub. I'm guessing most of the extra .4 is gained from losing the agitator. Compared to tubs of 4.5 + cu. ft. from LG, and Whirlpool/Maytag, the Frigidaire will often have a full tub of clothes which will add to the strain of trying to turn over the load during "agitation". I'm still surprised the economy model doesn't have the jet sprays. As I mentioned, it seems from the video that those jets are pretty important for good cleaning. This post was last edited 08/27/2012 at 20:11 | ||
| Post# 620704 , Reply# 39 8/27/2012 at 18:32 (4,257 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 620720 , Reply# 40 8/27/2012 at 19:35 (4,257 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New Frigidare TL Washer I will stand by my prediction that this will be the lamest performing Hi Efficiency washer yet. There is a reason no body ever made a one piece tub and impeller before, it won't work well. All it is is an indexing tub with NO agitator.
Malcolm you have obviously not watched a Calypso wash, the clothing continuously moves around the wash basket while turning over and over.
Even though I don't always agree with all of CRs findings I will predict that this machine will be rated far from the top of the ratings. | ||
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Post# 620722 , Reply# 41 8/27/2012 at 19:45 (4,257 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass) |
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It can't be any worse than the GE imfusor top load washer!!! | ||
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Post# 620729 , Reply# 42 8/27/2012 at 20:14 (4,257 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 620748 , Reply# 43 8/27/2012 at 21:55 (4,257 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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white westinghouse one piece tub, good turn over CLICK HERE TO GO TO toploader1984's LINK | ||
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Post# 620815 , Reply# 44 8/28/2012 at 07:06 (4,257 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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White Westinghouse one piece tub -good turn over | ||
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Post# 620870 , Reply# 45 8/28/2012 at 15:40 (4,256 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Here is an older video someone posted a while ago, with a larger load. I don't see any turnover.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK | ||
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Post# 620915 , Reply# 46 8/28/2012 at 18:53 (4,256 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New Frigidaire TL Washer | ||
| Post# 620961 , Reply# 48 8/28/2012 at 22:42 (4,256 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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| Post# 620962 , Reply# 49 8/28/2012 at 22:47 (4,256 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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| Post# 621007 , Reply# 51 8/29/2012 at 06:53 (4,256 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Deep Fill | ||
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Post# 621008 , Reply# 52 8/29/2012 at 06:57 (4,256 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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Toploader, I agree. I'm looking forward to seeing it. | ||
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Post# 621016 , Reply# 53 8/29/2012 at 08:02 (4,256 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Yeah....I would like to see more before judging.......
one GREAT benefit for these types of machines, and which some are coming on board, and others need improvement, is the waterfall that saturates the load while washing.....again, similar to the Calypso.....the Oasis/Bravo/Cabrio impellor machines would work so much better if they had this along with the agitation.... even Frigidaire learned this with their Square door FL....adding the sprinkler to constantly saturate the load while washing......agitation or waterfall alone would not be all that effective....but combined....theres a better chance... this also doesnot seem to need any special loading requirements, which so many consumers have a problem with......I know, I go Calypso crazy, but its foolproof, just drop clothes in up to the top, add detergent, set controls and go, the machine handles everything else.......this is all todays consumers want...Load and GO! | ||
| Post# 621018 , Reply# 54 8/29/2012 at 08:07 (4,256 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Load and GO! | ||
| Post# 621020 , Reply# 55 8/29/2012 at 08:12 (4,256 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 621022 , Reply# 56 8/29/2012 at 08:17 (4,256 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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I agree with you, toploader. I am not that big a fan of top loaders. Even the LGs which are my first choice, don't have that great a method of thorough washing and rinsing. I have an Affinity/ steam front loader and it has the recirculating spray and a light up interior. I can actualy see how clean the rinse water is as it recirculates and a 1400 rpm spin really gets the water out. It is the absolute quietest washer I ever owned and it does a great job getting my clothes thorpughly clean using about 15 gallons of water for the entire cycle.
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| Post# 621145 , Reply# 57 8/29/2012 at 18:28 (4,255 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 621154 , Reply# 58 8/29/2012 at 18:49 (4,255 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 621156 , Reply# 59 8/29/2012 at 18:53 (4,255 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Post# 621179 , Reply# 60 8/29/2012 at 20:51 (4,255 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Damn it! I knew if I looked at that video too many times I'd wind up wanting one. I keep eyeing the space next to my front-loader where the 2006 top-loader used to be. I hate almost everything about impeller-type machines, but it would be fun to have one and do the occasional load in it. And if they're only $600...
Think I'll stop by the local Frigidaire dealer and find out when they're going to be available. Even if it sucks, it won't be the daily driver. | ||
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Post# 621257 , Reply# 62 8/30/2012 at 05:45 (4,255 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 621268 , Reply# 63 8/30/2012 at 06:57 (4,255 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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