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Thread Number: 42606
Today's Topic: Boot Or No Boot? |
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Post# 626900 9/22/2012 at 19:55 (4,225 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 626915 , Reply# 1 9/22/2012 at 20:56 (4,225 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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| Post# 626973 , Reply# 2 9/22/2012 at 23:33 (4,225 days old) by qualin (Canada) | ||
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I think machines which lack a boot most likely have better longevity. I think its also probably a better design. Unfortunately, not very many manufacturers use it. There is probably a reason why! | ||
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Post# 627115 , Reply# 4 9/23/2012 at 17:24 (4,224 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well that and not using proper amounts of detergent and hot water washes.
Moulds grow on the greasy gunk that builds up on door seals if wash water isn't strong enough to keep them suspended and rinsed away. Oh and it could also have allot to do with over use of fabric softeners as well. The one complaint persons seem to have about "bootless" domestic washing machines is that the odd small item such as an infant's sock can slip between the tubs and perhaps clog the pump. On a commercial washer without a pump the things would simply flush down the drains and or become caught in any trap set up in the "pit". Indeed laundromat owners tell they often find various odd small items there such as coins, etc.... | ||
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Post# 627347 , Reply# 7 9/24/2012 at 17:45 (4,223 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Asko | ||
| Post# 627417 , Reply# 8 9/25/2012 at 00:10 (4,223 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
Launderess | ||
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Post# 627427 , Reply# 9 9/25/2012 at 02:54 (4,222 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Boots
Mike its all in the terminology, H-Axis washing machines cover our front loaders and those top loaders like the Phillips and Staber. We just call our auto washers front loaders although they are H-Axis, if you asked jo public about H-Axis washers most wouldnt have a clue what you where talking about!!
The V-Axis machines are those like US top loaders and even our twintubs,vertical drums loading from the top.. Boots, never had a problem with any have used, again like other see many which are peppered with mold etc...The Asko`s and Maytag Asko`s along with the ISE washing machines are still produced with no door boots or gaskets, they do offer more usable space in the drum....I wonder when Gorenje will start to use the feature. 
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| Post# 627608 , Reply# 10 9/26/2012 at 01:47 (4,221 days old) by MikeKLondon (London) | ||
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H-Axis `v` V-Axis Thanks Mike That makes it clear | ||
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Post# 627792 , Reply# 11 9/26/2012 at 20:48 (4,221 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I've been thinking of
a Bi machine. H-axis and V-axis at the same time. Like those station wagons with tailgates that opened as a door or a gate. It could be done now with all the electronic controls. the user determines which door they want to use. It would definitely be bootless.
Saw one in an ancient patent from the 1940's once, thought it was pretty cool! | ||
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Post# 973713 , Reply# 13 12/14/2017 at 23:31 (2,315 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Many if not most | ||
| Post# 973760 , Reply# 16 12/15/2017 at 08:34 (2,315 days old) by johnrk (BP TX) | ||
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You're Right, Factors for Deutschland are different than in the US- | ||
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Post# 973763 , Reply# 17 12/15/2017 at 09:00 (2,315 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA) |
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Early mildew problems, | ||
| Post# 975737 , Reply# 18 12/27/2017 at 11:35 (2,303 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey) | ||
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Hotter water? AFAIK those WHs, like modern machines, could achieve temps no higher than about 60c. Better detergent? Absolutely incorrect. The detergents back then were crap - dirt couldn't be held in suspension properly, and they were chock full of phosphates! | ||
| Post# 975739 , Reply# 19 12/27/2017 at 12:01 (2,303 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
I think he means that before US users were so convinced of this cold water wash nonsense. Back then people cared about clean laundry too and thus were more apt to spend money on high quality detergents like Tide for TL machines and ALL or Dash for FL washers which had phosphates unlike today's user who cheaps out on junk like A&H or Purex detergent which while having similar formulas to 1950s detergents in that they have no enzymes, they are watered down and without phosphates fail to adapt to anything but the softest water.
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| Post# 975765 , Reply# 21 12/27/2017 at 16:11 (2,303 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
 The Neptune seemed to set itself up for a perfect storm.
1) Large door boot that retained a pool of water (later fixed with a drain in the boot.)
2) A lighted drum that discouraged customers from leaving the door ajar (light later removed.)
3) No window so customers couldn't easily tell when they were using too much detergent.
4) Many who would pay a premium for this machine would likely be energy/environmentally conscious and wash only in cold water and eschew the use of chlorine bleach.
My 2006 Neptune was one of the last made and has the boot drain and no light. It's seen weekly hot washes with bleach since day one and door is always open if not in use. No mold on the boot, it still looks like new after 11 years. | ||
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Post# 975795 , Reply# 23 12/27/2017 at 19:29 (2,303 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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