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Post# 627186 9/23/2012 at 22:08 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude  (.) |
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Post# 627187 , Reply# 1 9/23/2012 at 22:09 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627188 , Reply# 2 9/23/2012 at 22:13 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Can it be?? The '65 Lady Kenmore ready for a water test??
It is indeed! I am in that autumn rush to get the summer's finds out of the garage and I had frankly intended to do some work on the GE v-12 that I suspect has a leaky transmission boot, but a local repair technician who is looking to get out of the business offered to help me with a tear-down and rebuild of the Lady K, so who was I to refuse? The work was done last week (no photos alas) and this week, well, I just HAD to try the washer out! 
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Post# 627189 , Reply# 3 9/23/2012 at 22:13 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627190 , Reply# 4 9/23/2012 at 22:15 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627191 , Reply# 5 9/23/2012 at 22:16 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627193 , Reply# 6 9/23/2012 at 22:18 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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And now for the BUT....
As with any vintage machine, there is the possibility of other components going wonky... I should not have been too surprised to see this...
Knowing my history with washers, any guesses as to what was the source of the leak?? (HINT: Both the 63 GE and 51 Kenmore this summer had issues with this component) 
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Post# 627196 , Reply# 7 9/23/2012 at 22:20 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627198 , Reply# 8 9/23/2012 at 22:23 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627199 , Reply# 9 9/23/2012 at 22:25 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627201 , Reply# 10 9/23/2012 at 22:27 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Some good news on this - the solenoids both work and I could see the plungers which hold the bleach or fabric softener in their respective chambers actually release, so there is some hope! I'll take this apart for a good cleaning when I can get down to Ogden again (which won't be next week due to work committments).
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Post# 627202 , Reply# 11 9/23/2012 at 22:30 (4,226 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 627223 , Reply# 12 9/24/2012 at 00:32 (4,226 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 627243 , Reply# 13 9/24/2012 at 06:49 (4,225 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 627244 , Reply# 14 9/24/2012 at 07:08 (4,225 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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1965 LKM  Great Progress Paul the few problems you mentioned are all easy to fix. The inlet valve you showed should always have all three valve seals replaced unless it was never used, this is fairly easy to do. When you disassemble it not the positions of the valve mounting brackets and solenoids as they can be reassembled in several different positions. Also do not remove the five screws that hold the cover plate over the thermostatic modulating plunger assembly unless this plate seal is leaking and must be removed for resealing. I would also not remove the four screws that hold the outlet port in place and instead just make sure all this screws are tight.
On the fabric softener- bleach dispenser if it doesn't need to be disassembled to replace a part I would just flush it with lots of very hot water. Often if you try to remove the two 1/4" screws that hold the top bracket to the clear dispenser reservoir the screws have rusted a little and as you try to turn them you just break the plastic reservoir. | ||
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Post# 627292 , Reply# 15 9/24/2012 at 11:47 (4,225 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Thanks for the advice, John, as always, I appreciate your input!
The worst leaks seem to be from around the outlet plate where the fill hose to the tub is connected and from the top solenoid (I guess that is for the cold inlet). Is there a 'rebuild kit' for these valves still available? Thanks for the tip about the bleach and fabric softener dispensers, too. I have never, ever owned a machine with this fancy feature so I sure don't want to risk messing it up... I am going to be climbing the walls until I can get down to Ogden again. | ||
| Post# 627302 , Reply# 16 9/24/2012 at 12:39 (4,225 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Paul, I'm turk with envy-- it's beautiful. Love the delicate tabs, the lighting, but most of all the the Roto-flex. Don't know why I'm so crazy about it, maybe because it's so unusual, like an octopus. Would be so grateful if you could show it working at a low water level, even if you don't get the "leveler" fixed. There's always a spot on LK dial that allows agitation with any water level. We've never seen the Roto flexing its tentacles at a low level. You could make history, Paul--go for it!
So happy you have your dream up and working. Ear to ear grin on you. This post was last edited 09/24/2012 at 13:31 | ||
| Post# 627310 , Reply# 17 9/24/2012 at 13:44 (4,225 days old) by HooverWheelAway () | ||
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Ugh, that is such a stunning control panel! | ||
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Post# 627312 , Reply# 18 9/24/2012 at 14:11 (4,225 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 627334 , Reply# 19 9/24/2012 at 16:49 (4,225 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 627574 , Reply# 21 9/25/2012 at 21:28 (4,224 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Just uploaded a longer video of the LK first wash test - No splashing at low water level (yet) but a definite distinct demo of the three (yep, count 'em - three) wash speeds!
Can't wait to try this machine with some clothes in it soon! CLICK HERE TO GO TO turquoisedude's LINK | ||
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Post# 627602 , Reply# 22 9/26/2012 at 00:37 (4,224 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Very Nice Paul! | ||
| Post# 627606 , Reply# 23 9/26/2012 at 01:34 (4,223 days old) by AutoWasherFreak () | ||
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That Extra Slow is really slow. Nice looking machine! | ||
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Post# 627639 , Reply# 24 9/26/2012 at 07:06 (4,223 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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3 Speed Lady Kenmore Demonstration Thanks for posting Paul, the Roto-Flex agitator has long been my favorite agitator for standard tub BD WP built washers. WP started a trend in more gentile agitation in TL washers in 1964 with the introduction of the 1964 LKM and then the 1965 introduction of the 3Sp WP Imperial Mark 12 washer. Almost all other large washer manufactures followed suit in the next few years except MT in the quest to build more gentile washers. | ||
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Post# 627663 , Reply# 25 9/26/2012 at 10:31 (4,223 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Paul -
I noticed something fascinating in a recent Kenmore ephemera document which may interest you - it advises the service field of changes to late 60s models which were about to be introduced, and in one or two paragraphs it mentions alterations to water levels, specifically the Low level, in Roto-Flex and Vari-Flex equipped machines. The low previously to this on Roto-Flexes had been 8 inches of water (which seems like a lot in a standard machine as compared to Roto-Swirls). If that's where your machine is filling to on Low, it may be fine! Incidentally, the low on Vari-Flexes was one inch higher. I had no idea that Kenmore/WP tailored water levels to blend with specific agitators!! I do not think this continued into the later 70s or 80s as many models used common pressure switches but different agitators. Gordon | ||
| Post# 627680 , Reply# 26 9/26/2012 at 12:18 (4,223 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Ohhhh Paul..... | ||
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Post# 627681 , Reply# 27 9/26/2012 at 12:20 (4,223 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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More video too
Good job to getting it back up and running.... great looking/operating machine.
Roto-flex sounds like a plumber's tool to ream out the drains :^P . But, the roto-flex yellow/gold colour is also echoed in the gold starburst pattern, surrounding the dial. The design, lights, operations...nice example of mid-century at its best, I think. Any idea - was this console design with the alpha keys only seen in 1965 - it sure was unique! Thanks for posting your work and I'd enjoy seeing more videos of the machine in operation, especially the panel lights for the different operations. I like that video you posted - nicely done! | ||
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Post# 627696 , Reply# 28 9/26/2012 at 13:08 (4,223 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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was this console design with the alpha keys only seen in 196
Yes, and no, depends on how you look at it...
This specific console was used only for the 1965 Lady K. Previous and later year model Ladies K, such as the 1964 and 1966 were completely different in appearance and styling, though 1963 and 1964 were chrome laden like the 1965 and of similar functionality overall. The console architecture (framework and overall shape, position of the flourescent light, etc) was also used in the 1965 800 model, however it lacked the clear buttons, the filtering light, etc. This occurred in 1962, 1963, and 1964 also, where the basic design shape and theme of the console was used in other models as well, going up the line the models gained glitzy/fancy features, chrome, lights, etc. The 1966 version debuted the 'piano key' design of selector buttons, which saw the Lady K into the mid 1970s when cost cutting and a greatly reduced emphasis on fancy redesigned the console for the rest of the belt-drive era. Gordon This post was last edited 09/26/2012 at 14:00 | ||
| Post# 627702 , Reply# 29 9/26/2012 at 13:33 (4,223 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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The 65 was the only model with the fine clear tabs detached at the top, a real stunner, and unique; some have theorized that this set-up may have been too delicate, that maybe it would not stand up to heavy use, but I don't think we've actually heard of any breakages. John and Gordon will know.
Although the 65 is the most beautiful, the Keyboards are more versatile, offering more options. Here's the chromed 62 Gordon was talking about, not nearly as pretty. Indeed "Filtering" but too glaring to see the orange/red glow. 
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Post# 627707 , Reply# 30 9/26/2012 at 14:13 (4,223 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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MickeyD,
Your Turq. machine is a 1963 model. It may have been made in late '62 possibly, but is definitely a 1963. The '62 800, though similar in mechanical functionality to the '63 with four bottons on either side of the timer dial, was styled in console shape identical to the 1962 Kenmore 70 and the 1961 rapid advance Lady K. Instead of black buttons with brushed chrome inserts, the 62's had white buttons with color coded printing that matched the cycle colors on the dial. It had a big rectangular flourescent light like the '63 does, etc. From what I can see, the 63 was just a restyled 62 800. Beauty of a certain machine is clearly up to each individual. In my view, the '65 is nowhere near as attractive as the 63s or 64s, nowhere... Even though I have three sets of Ladies in Coppertone, a 63 set, a 64, and a 65, I think the '65s are my least favorite. That is clearly tempered by the fact that I saw numerous 63s in service as a kid, and I think they are extraordinary, and never saw a 65 until I got one when doing machine rebuilding in the 90s. As to the tabs, I've seem a few clear ones missing on machines, in fact I believe there was a thread inquiry here from someone some time ago looking for spare buttons, possibly the speed selector. I've seen missing buttons on 63s and 64s though too - I think it depends on how much use they got and how much force was used to depress them. Gordon | ||
| Post# 627739 , Reply# 31 9/26/2012 at 16:40 (4,223 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Wait a second, G-man ;'D
I'm a kid in a candy store, and those fine finger nail- like tabs get me every time. And I think all the Lady K's are beautiful, but now that I think more critically and comprehensively, hasn't Darren posted a Lady even more beautiful than Paul's. Is that a 63? I don't have them all mastered yet. You should show the '3 & '4 if you have pix at the ready. But I think you're right about the '63 being drop dead gorgeous. Or is it the 64............LOL. Get the pix up, Old Friend.
Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hell, I think the Rotoflex Agitator is beautiful. | ||
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Post# 627758 , Reply# 32 9/26/2012 at 19:01 (4,223 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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"...did you ever have to make up your mind, say yes to o
1962-64 LK's? I want to have trouble making up my mind - already beginning to get twisted, from seeing some of the old machines bought and revived here.
Gordon, are you prefering the 62-64 LK's from both looks and mechanicals, or just appearances? I have some ideas to translate into photos. Other than what you guys here occasional have ...(is it called a "Wash-In") where does one see all these cool LK"s? There's the Maytag museum, but is there a Kenmore museum? | ||
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Post# 627777 , Reply# 33 9/26/2012 at 19:55 (4,223 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Phil -
In its basics, the belt-drive mechanicals are essentially the same, later 1950s to 1987. There wouldn't be good reason to judge a 1965 differently than the 1963 for much other than appearance as mechanically they are the same. These machines are indeed viewed on a 'to each his own' premise, however there's a small twist as to why I like the '63s best. Remember the glee and excitement felt as a kid during a birthday party, a holiday, or similar that you've noticed that as an adult you just can't duplicate? Well, I was fascinated by the '63s, and was exposed to probably five or six during my childhood in various places, white, turquoise, and coppertone, in varying conditions from mint to well used. My grandmother had the dryer in coppertone. Today, those machines, when I'm not preoccupied or busy, can transport me back temporarily, and I remember the wide-eyed 8-year old's glee over these machines, whereas the 65 doesn't. I guess that's the best explanation I can give you... Gordon | ||
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Post# 627809 , Reply# 35 9/26/2012 at 21:46 (4,223 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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Beauty and the Beast(sameness)
Gordon: No problem with beauty being so individualistic. I worry about the seemingly increased sameness in design, that lines the appliance floors( Not that you can't find differences). If the machines were mechanically pretty much the same, it's interesting that for so long, they only needed to vary the color, console design and option features, to keep going. Good memories and thanks for sharing.
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Post# 627812 , Reply# 36 9/26/2012 at 22:31 (4,223 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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All Time Favorite Lady Kenmores My all time Favorite LKM washer-dryer consoles are the 1959 first all push button pair where the washer and dryer matched perfectly, then the great looking 1964s with all that great looking chrome and three speeds, then the 1965s these had to be one of the best styled LKMs ever, from there my next favorite are the 1968s where they have the flat keyboard panels floating above the surface of the die-cast panel and my final favorite was the 1975 super-capacity LKMs with the fold down cover. After this we went through the depressing period of the terrible black faced control panel machines [ this was as bad as the 1980s Montgomery Wards inspired Maytag washers and dryers ]. When Sears came out with black face LKMs around 1977 it reminded me of GM putting the Cadillac name on a Chevy Cavalier.
They came out of this terrible styling period somewhat with the introduction of the LKM Limited Edition electronic pair around 1984 and after this time they built a number of pretty good looking DD washers and matching dryers, but nothing compared to the styling of before. | ||
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Post# 627949 , Reply# 37 9/27/2012 at 17:52 (4,222 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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I agree with most everything John says above - surely, whatever fave you have if it involves a 1960s Lady Kenmore, it may be due to unique and inspired styling, and an un-matched zeal for glamour and product acceptance from Kenmore's designers.
That said, I agree yet at the same time disagree with the synopsis of the black panel machines and even of Maytag's 1980s models. Right in the middle of the black panel tenure, Sears (according to several of their catalogs) outsold WP, GE, and Maytag combined. We don't have to like these machines for whatever reason, but the buying public sure did, and in enormous and increasing numbers, so what we think today ultimately really doesn't matter. Sears clearly had what buyers wanted at the time, and by the late 70s, there were many other choices besides Sears. There have been a lot of articles written discussing how Cadillac made a monumental marketing blunder with the Cimarron (the Cavalier clone) but never have I read that Kenmore or Maytag made any sort of foo-pas with their later 1970s or 1980s consoles. Appliances were becoming unitary non-emotional purchases in a mature market by the mid 1970s, bought on price and reputation. They were not the joyous, high-gloss purchases that they had been when the market was developing in the 1950s and 1960s. We AW.ORGers see all laundry appliances from a much different perspective than does the general consumer/buying public. There is NO doubt that the 1976 black panel Lady Kenmore was a far cry from the imaginative, sometimes whimsical (and costly) styling that Kenmore employed ten years earlier. Considering that the 1974 Lady K was a styling carry-over from the late 60s, the dramatic and permanent switch from fancy to not-so-much happened with exactly one model. Boom, done...the Lady K was rather homogenized from that point forward until gone a little more than a decade later. Many people could not look at a 1976 Lady Kenmore in their neighbor's laundry and know that they had a top-end unit. This was not the case in the 1960s. There was not much to distinguish the 1976 Lady Kenmore from the rest of the line either, other than an automatic soak advance (big deal!) and a second rinse. I suspect a lot of customers wrote those features off as stuff they didn't need or have to have, and it stayed that way for many years. I think that is why we see FAR FEWER of these, relatively speaking, as a percentage of the total line sales, than we did in the 1960s. The time had come and gone for glitzy washers -- they were just too expensive to make and sell profitably. I guess for us washer collectors, that just gives us reason to collect and save the 60s models, unless you like the newer stuff for many varied other reasons! G | ||
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Post# 628034 , Reply# 38 9/28/2012 at 07:36 (4,221 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New Washer and Dryer Styling for the Late70s- 1980s As always lots of good incite and information Gordon about this interesting time in washer history. And while Sears new styling probably did not hurt sales much and may have actually helped by allowing them to build a more competitive product cost wise during this time period was when WP built laundry products really took over as the largest maker. Like the Sears models WP by the early 80s had their greatest sales success ever and by the time the DD washers were going in force by the mid 1980s no other three makers combined ever got close to their sales totals.
This of coerce was a time when the US laundry had lost several major brands, so WP, KM, GE and MT all added sales in spite of the Regan rescission that gripped the country in the early 1980s.
I do think in the case of MTs new styling for the 80s it was a serious mistake and while MT laundry continued to sell very well in the 1980s the new styling caused MT to lose over 20 years of brand recognition when it came to styling. MT started using the center dial control panel with a horizontal break with the selector buttons below in 1956 and further refined this great and immediately distinctive look through 1979. [ This would have been like Mercedes Benz losing their distinctive grille and hood ornament ] For a high end company they had completely lost their brands styling reconnection overnight, Ironically even WP stylists had the good sense to bring back the center dial look when they took over the Maytag laundry name. | ||
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Post# 629292 , Reply# 39 10/3/2012 at 23:03 (4,216 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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That was a period that came and went so fast - the late 50's and 60's...visiting AW.org is like visiting the past, especially afer reading Kenmoreguy64's last post here(gave me a deep, begrudgingly sigh of remorse for a moment there, thinking of the changes in design and build quality).
I remember a number of ads for washers, dryers, and dishwashers in many of my mom's magazines(Lady's Home Journal, McCalls, House Beautiful, and others) in the 1960s...to find some of these washers/dryers that I mostly knew through photographs..here in someone's house or collection, still working as new (or nearly), along with other household appliances has revived my faith in ..never mind, but almost! this forum rocks - now back to our regularly scheduled program.... 
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