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The New HE Toploader Is Now On Frigidaire's Website
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Post# 627449   9/25/2012 at 08:00 (4,222 days old) by whirlyfanatic (Trinidad and Tobago)        

Hey Guys Enjoy, I Now Saw It Available Online


www.frigidaire.com/products/Laund...





Post# 627451 , Reply# 1   9/25/2012 at 08:13 (4,222 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Under features it states something about 'Fresh Water Rinse' - what else is there to rinse your clothes in? Do other Frigidaire washers rinse clothes in not so fresh water?

Post# 627454 , Reply# 2   9/25/2012 at 08:36 (4,222 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Interesting. It meets the Energy Star guidelines just at the minimum requirement and stated water usage is approx. 20 gallons per load. (8 loads/week = 392 loads per year / 7906 gallons per year). This is almost double the usage of Frigidaire's front-load washers with water use at 4085 gallons. It will be very curious to see how the new top-load washer is rated for cleaning, etc.

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Post# 627463 , Reply# 3   9/25/2012 at 09:52 (4,222 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
"Fresh Water Rinse"

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I wondered about that, unless the fabric conditioner goes in the second to last rinse and the last rinse is water only with no additives which could make sense - or is it marketing blurb?

Post# 627492 , Reply# 4   9/25/2012 at 12:28 (4,222 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
It is

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marketing blurb.

Post# 627564 , Reply# 5   9/25/2012 at 20:30 (4,222 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Website

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Know that I see it on the website, I am not as impressed as I initially was after seeing the introduction video. Could just be lack of marketing on the Frigidaire website.

Maybe things will look different whenwe get to see them in the store.

Malcolm


Post# 627585 , Reply# 6   9/25/2012 at 22:41 (4,222 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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For reasons which defy, well, reason, I really want one of the new Frigidaire top-loaders. I've never cared a whit for any of the impeller machines, but I am taken with this big, cheap hunk of plastic. I'm the ultimate die-hard front-loader guy, and I love my 2010 Frigidaire, so the impeller machine would definitely be a novelty item for the laundry room, to be used only occasionally. I want to fill it with a load of greatly-stained kitchen whites and see how things emerge.

I like that it doesn't have a hanging suspension like other impeller machines. If they've basically kept the same suspension, etc., as the indexing tub 2006 I once owned, it will spin the most unbalanced loads you can imagine.

I'm afraid if I wait for the rating from Consumer Reports, then I'll never buy it, LOL.


Malcolm---Frigidaire doesn't exactly roll out the red carpet for their new products, do they? No interior shots, nothing. Way to pinch those pennies, Frigidaire!

Oy vey.




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Post# 627601 , Reply# 7   9/26/2012 at 00:13 (4,222 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I agree, Eugene. You should get one! This machine is intriguing to me as well, the lineage with the syncro-swing GM washer is just too compelling.

Post# 627603 , Reply# 8   9/26/2012 at 00:44 (4,222 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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The console on the cheaper model almost looks like an updated Kenmore plastic console... 


Post# 627605 , Reply# 9   9/26/2012 at 00:56 (4,222 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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I saw a new Frigidaire commercial tonight on TV. It was for their new Symmetry double oven range but the commercial itself was done very well. They did a kind of a history showing old products from the GM era, even a skinny-mini Laundry Center. Then they did a flash of a lot of the old Frigidaire logo's before ending with the current one. It was pretty cool. I looked to see if it was on YouTube but apparently not yet. Watch for it.

Patrick


Post# 627615 , Reply# 10   9/26/2012 at 02:34 (4,222 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Nice ad, it even features my dream refrigerator!
 


Post# 627618 , Reply# 11   9/26/2012 at 03:16 (4,222 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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Great job Phil! Happy you found it for everyone to see.

Patrick


Post# 627648 , Reply# 12   9/26/2012 at 08:06 (4,221 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That was a good commercial - most wouldn't recognize the logos at the end, but that was great!

Post# 627864 , Reply# 13   9/27/2012 at 07:09 (4,220 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()        

The commercial that I've seen stop right after the compact stove, and don't show the skinny mini, or dishwashers. I like this commercial much better.


Post# 628038 , Reply# 14   9/28/2012 at 07:57 (4,219 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Neat!

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Now how does this machine work?? Is it a wash plate or agitator design? Sounds hydro-wavish to me in the blurbing!

Ah just reading the pdf, its a hydro-wavish. Greg did you see the use of "Sure-Spin" there? Old F trademark for the clutches on the later generation Rollermatics!! A little history there at E-lux. They are doing their homework.



Post# 628040 , Reply# 15   9/28/2012 at 08:00 (4,219 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The whole basket spins back and forth to create washing action - just like the GM syncro-swing did, but I'm sure they're not using that cable and spring system. Probably just a DC motor and a belt now.

Post# 628097 , Reply# 16   9/28/2012 at 14:04 (4,219 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Double Range

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I actually like this double range where both ovens are equal sizes much better than the gemini with the small oven on top.

Malcolm


Post# 629950 , Reply# 17   10/7/2012 at 02:11 (4,211 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I remember the first LG Turbodrum washers on the Australian market used this exact washing system. The impeller was pressed into the floor of the stainless steel drum and did not move independently. The wash action was achieved by spinning the entire tub back and forth. Later they adopted the same set up as is used in the GE Harmony.

I would like to see someone come up with an improved system based on the GM Frigidaire design.



Post# 629987 , Reply# 18   10/7/2012 at 10:01 (4,210 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Frigidaire JETCONE

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I wonder if Frigidaire has looked at the design already as a possible HE machine. Seems that it would make sense that they would...

Malcolm


Post# 630910 , Reply# 19   10/11/2012 at 16:54 (4,206 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Another ad featuring a pulasator agitator washer.





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Post# 631225 , Reply# 20   10/13/2012 at 07:05 (4,204 days old) by chris74 ()        
What does HE...

...mean in a V-axxis TL anyway? Is this even possible?

Post# 631230 , Reply# 21   10/13/2012 at 07:34 (4,204 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Less water consumption because of a lower water level and often spray instead of deep-rinses plus higher spin speeds to reduce energy consumption in the dryer.

Post# 631383 , Reply# 22   10/13/2012 at 20:19 (4,204 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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To hear that AD, you'd think they were claiming to have always been Frigidaire.

Those pulsating washers were GREAT!!! Those are my favorite types of TL washers. I always remember wondering why they quit making them because they cleaned so freaking good! They were LOUD though. I remember it used to scare the hell out of me when my grandma would turn it on and I was afraid to go in the bathroom when it was running. LOL.


Post# 631440 , Reply# 23   10/14/2012 at 02:55 (4,204 days old) by chris74 ()        
Lower water levels

Sounds not very efficient to me...

Post# 631444 , Reply# 24   10/14/2012 at 04:15 (4,203 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"Lower water levels

Sounds not very efficient to me..."

You don't get these machines in Germany so our inefficiencies are not your problem. Maybe the most efficient washing machines of the future will use urine to wash and rinse clothes. Now wouldn't that be something?


Post# 631454 , Reply# 25   10/14/2012 at 05:43 (4,203 days old) by chris74 ()        
No need to be rude

In the Middle Ages, they've already tried to do the washing with urine, that's not as ridiculous as you might think!

Post# 631460 , Reply# 26   10/14/2012 at 06:50 (4,203 days old) by stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
re: Fresh Water rinse...

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I may be wrong but believe that Frigidaire does what the SQ F/L (and SQ Laundromat version T/L) does...partially drains then adds in some additional water...not a complete exchange of water unless one selects the option 'fresh water.' Our 2011 F/L model has a selection for "fresh water rinse"...and it is ALWAYS selected !!!

Post# 631480 , Reply# 27   10/14/2012 at 09:02 (4,203 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
"In the Middle Ages, they've already tried to do the

According to historians humans didn't just try, but used urine as a laundry alkali since Roman times. Now imagine a washing machine that you don't hook up to a faucet, but that has a hose with a funnle and all you do is you know what to kick start the cycle. You'll just have to make sure to drink according to load size.




Post# 631490 , Reply# 28   10/14/2012 at 10:04 (4,203 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Fresh Water Rinse

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Wait?

So you have the choice to have your closed rinsed in half/fresh, half dirty water, or regular full fresh rinse water? That's kind of shocking to me that they would use part of the dirty water and add more rinse water.....Who would want to do that and why?


Post# 631493 , Reply# 29   10/14/2012 at 10:09 (4,203 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Fresh Water Rinse = Extra Rinse

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Marketing-language... like SkinCare Rinse on certain Duets or UltraRinse on the Maytag Maxima 9000.

Post# 632522 , Reply# 30   10/18/2012 at 07:13 (4,199 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Dishwasher

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That commercial shows a brief glimpse of a dishwasher running with a large glass window and back lighting. That would be cool!

Malcolm


Post# 632690 , Reply# 31   10/18/2012 at 19:49 (4,199 days old) by toploader1984 ()        
tl

ya, why are they all of a sudden putting windows in washers and dryers these days and not dishwashers?

Post# 632695 , Reply# 32   10/18/2012 at 20:04 (4,199 days old) by Iowegian ()        

@rapunzel:

Urine is slightly acidic for the most part, although the pH can vary in a healthy person based on time of day and so on, but only maybe +/- 0.5 pH from a neutral 7.0. So, it wouldn't be useful as a laundry alkali. If the pH were high enough to be useful for cleaning, our kidneys, bladders and urethras would really suffer and we'd feel the pain.

Maybe the Romans that got stuck on laundry duty were just pulling one over on the rich folks by wizzing on their clothes and telling them it made them whiter.




Post# 632696 , Reply# 33   10/18/2012 at 20:09 (4,199 days old) by Iowegian ()        

@mrb627:

I'm not so sure that a see-thru door on a dishwasher would be that good of a thing. The dishes are static in the racks, so you'd just see the water getting sprayed around. It just wouldn't be as interesting as seeing clothes roll and flop around like in a washer or a dryer.

Plus, we want our dishwashers to be quiet, and a single layer of glass would be less effective for sound control than a door with an inner liner, an air/insulation space and an outer skin.


Post# 632721 , Reply# 34   10/18/2012 at 20:49 (4,199 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
"Urine is slightly acidic for the most part"

That's true, but when you let it stand it turns into ammonia. Now, on the subject of using urine to clean clothes you can google that.

Post# 632739 , Reply# 35   10/18/2012 at 21:33 (4,199 days old) by Iowegian ()        

"That's true, but when you let it stand it turns into ammonia. Now, on the subject of using urine to clean clothes you can google that."

OK, but now you're into, "Picking the fly poop out of the pepper" territory.

How many gallons of normal human pee would it take to make enough ammonium nitrate to blow the lid off a garbage can?


Post# 632813 , Reply# 36   10/19/2012 at 08:34 (4,198 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"How many gallons of normal human pee would it take to make enough ammonium nitrate to blow the lid off a garbage can?"

I have no idea and must admit that I haven't given the topic that much thought. There probably are people who have, before they moved on to bigger bangs, but that's not the kind of company I keep. With seven billion humans peeing several times a day there'd surely be enough to blow up more than a few trash cans.

Now, according to Wikipedia, Roman Emperor Vespasian imposed a tax on the collection of urine from public urinals, which was used for laundering and tanning. Google also throws up another reference re. using 'chamber lye'.

It reads - 'Chamber lye was a useful laundry product, even though it couldn’t be made into soap. Precious urine collected from chamber pots, its many uses included stain removal and pre-wash soaking. It also removed natural oils from wool, and set dyes, not to mention its many uses in medicine. In some areas of the UK it was called "lant", "weeting", or "wash".'

and

'Before that you suffer it to be washed, lay it all night in urine, the next day rub all the spots in the urine as if you were washing in water; then lay it in more urine another night and then rub it again, and so do till you find they be quite out.
Hannah Woolley, The Compleat Servant-Maid, 1677'

I wouldn't bother with picking fly poop from my pepper. Mine is stored in air tight containers, but if there was, how would I know anyway? If you sprinkle it on your steak you would be none the wiser and it all goes down the same way, boosting your immunity to boot.




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Post# 632822 , Reply# 37   10/19/2012 at 09:52 (4,198 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
single layer of glass

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I am sure that a dishwasher with a glass door would never fly with a single layer of glass. There would have to be a layer to protect from burns.

Of course one of the benefits to having a glass door would be blocked wash arm protection. And I suppose if the average user learned that it does fill to immerse the load in water, they might start to care more about loading techniques.

Malcolm


Post# 632958 , Reply# 38   10/20/2012 at 01:01 (4,198 days old) by toploader1984 ()        
tl

although some small countertop dishwashers have glass in the door, i beleive made by haier.


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