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Post# 628603 9/30/2012 at 17:25 (4,223 days old) by Yogitunes  (New Jersey) |
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Belt drive....probably early 80's...last of the belt drives, in nice condition.....
185.00 OBO......in New Jersey...... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK on Southjersey Craigslist 
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Post# 628610 , Reply# 1 9/30/2012 at 18:25 (4,223 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Interesting machines
The washer's top is oddly askew a bit. They don't typically get that way unless they've been moved recently or manhandled.
I expanded the pic to see some details of the washer's panel - it is a 23711 model. Martin is right that this is part of the last of the belt drives, but this one was made a few years before. This model was available from mid 1983 until Fall, 1986. The first editions had the plastic lid hinges like this one does (see the second picture), whereas in late 1984 or early 1985, the old 1950s hinges were re-instated on the 23701 and 23711. The 23721 (the best selling Kenmore of the 1980s) and everything higher up never used the plastic hinges. This is not a common model. Why the 23701 and 23721 were best sellers and this one was fairly rare I can't say. I have seen only four or five of these, whereas I've seen literally dozens of the other two models on either side of it in the line. I wanted this model when I bought my 23701, but my Mother said I didn't need the soak cycle (she was right) which was the only difference. I only wanted it because it was more like her washer. Looks like a Soft-Heat dryer, and a nice overall pair. Dryer doesn't seem to have the white drum (late 1984 innovation?) so that's consistent with the plastic lid hinges, and I'd guess these have been together since delivery. Gordon | ||
| Post# 628641 , Reply# 2 9/30/2012 at 21:28 (4,222 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Post# 628648 , Reply# 3 9/30/2012 at 21:59 (4,222 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Andy -
The blue/gray speckled tub, which Sears called "Max spreckle" (go figure), was by this period used in everything from the 22101 (single cycle 1982 model) to almost the top end. There was one mid-line 80-series machine which took the entry level 80 series and added the Lady's snow white tub. Sears charged $10 more for the "double coated white basket". I'd have bought that machine on looks alone had I known (they were about $40 or $50 more than the 70 series I got) but the entry level 80 sold very well and was almost a best seller, whereas the $10 step-up 80 is rather rare. Besides that machine and the Lady Kenmore, everything else had the speckled tub, even including the odd-ball Lady Kenmore from 1985 that you found, which even for a Lady K has the speckled tub. G | ||
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Post# 629074 , Reply# 5 10/2/2012 at 20:13 (4,221 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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I'd replace any max spreckle with a white basket, now that I have learned it was an option at one time.
Well, it might not bother most people but that "Max Spreckle"(weird identity) looked like a primer. Even my humble old LA482 has a nicer looking basket. I'll stop there. ALWAYS interesting to hear details like these... (the Lady Kenmore tubs were never pink, were they?) 
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| Post# 629118 , Reply# 6 10/2/2012 at 23:34 (4,220 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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| Post# 629125 , Reply# 7 10/3/2012 at 00:53 (4,220 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
 Nice pair Martin. Gordon thanks for the information you always learn. What about the light gray speackle tub models ? I assumed it was the way they sprayed them on a days work. And some where light and some really navy blue with white specks...
Ovrphil,... That picture looks like it is pink and never notice it, but seems it is the lighting. No there where no pink tubs. Here is my tub in a better light in snow white. 
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| Post# 629126 , Reply# 8 10/3/2012 at 00:58 (4,220 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 629148 , Reply# 9 10/3/2012 at 03:42 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Darren -
The light gray speckled tub, at least I think, seems more of a super light beige, or maybe a pale taupe color? This color tub was used in Kenmores (I don't know about Whirlpools!) in the upper ended models, from the mid 1970s until mid 1981. In the lower models of the same period, the blue/gray dark speckled tubs were used. I had always noticed that there were two distinct tub colors, but never gave more thought to them then that, until one day a few years ago, and I did some part number research. Previously, I thought the same thing you did - that these variations were just random. I was surprised to learn that the each tub color has its own part number, or a number for the standard cap tub in blue gray, and a number for the standard cap tub in light beige (or whatever you want to call that). The same was true for the large capacity versions. In 1978 when the centerpost height was reduced, new part numbers were issued for the same variety of blue-gray tubs, and light beige tubs. I was surprised to learn that these tub color differences were intentional, and clearly planned for use on various models, though Sears seldom if ever mentioned this in marketing materials. What I found out was that in general, with a couple exceptions, the 70-series machines were the cut-off marker, in that all 60-series and below machines got the blue-gray tub, and everything 70 and above got the light beige. The light beige tub seems to have much more lusterous or luxurious layer of porcelain, so I'm thinking that these were essentially the 1970s version of the fancy white tubs that were so common in the 1960s. From 1976 - 1981, there were very few white tubs, if any, in Kenmores anyway. In this period, Sears had several 'doorbuster' models, or as I have learned recently, they were called "Promotional" models. These were models added to the line after the original yearly models were drawn up, and were de-contented a bit to be offered at steeply discounted prices. For example, the 1977 70 series has the beige tub, 4-water levels, and a out of balance relay. The deconted promotional 70 has three levels, no relay, and the blue-gray tub. The same was done in 1979, and these were very good sellers as Sears liked to have their Promotional models on sale often. In 1979, this same arrangement was done in the 80-series line as well, and thus created the 1979 80 series that I bought for my sister used in 1989. It has the highest 80-series model number (meaning it should be the fanciest) but it has the fewest features of that year's 80 series, and again, the blue-gray tub. This machine has been my daily driver since shortly after finding AW.org in 2008. There was a long line of models in 1979, but the most common I've come across is this promotional 80-series. In 1980, the entry 70 series, which had no dispensers, got the blue-gray tub, and the next step up, which had both softener and bleach dispensers on the otherwise identical machine, got the beige tub, as did everything above it, even the electronic Lady Kenmore. When the belt-drive received a freshening in later 1981 to reduce water consumption in the large capacity models, the baskets reverted to the more familiar BOL blue, mid-line blue-gray, and TOL snow white (although the BOL blue was used only on the "Regular capacity" machine as they called it, which was the 24-inch machine). This was the year that Sears dropped the 29-inch standard capacity belt-drive. I do not believe this pale beige color was used in KMs after that. During this time, I've not seen any Whirlpools that used anything but the blue-gray tub until the white tubs were back in vogue although others such as Glen may be able to elaborate on the WPs of the same period? Gordon | ||
| Post# 629150 , Reply# 10 10/3/2012 at 04:07 (4,220 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 629201 , Reply# 11 10/3/2012 at 13:30 (4,220 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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What an amazing, interesting wealth of information, stemming from tub color..add my thanks to Darren K's.
Porcelain was the more expensive finish, it appears - so the speckled treatment saved Sears/Kenmore x-amount during times that probably required some cost savings. If so, then in the last century, nearly every decade saw a financial downturn that we lived through...i.e; 1961, 1971,1981. These were times businesses were looking for ways to trim costs-maybe the option of speckled blue/gray tubs were part of their cost-savings strategies? I don't know if anyone complained about the color of the tubs? Other than that, and Sears not mentioning the the new blue and blue-gray tubs as something to focus on, what other reason for not using porcelain exclusively? That light-gray speckled tub is new to me. The Kenmore we have at my mother-in-law's house is the darker one. I don't think it's smooth inside, like the porcelain whites. So - Darren K : Is that light-speckled gray smooth or slightly rough to the touch? I seem to remember only the porcelain finishes being ultra-smooth...but I might be wrong. Call me crazy, but I like porcelain and think if you're going to use it, offer blue, pink,blue-turquoise lagoon green, and white. In my dreams. Great thread, thanks everyone! Aldspinboy: I thought white, but looks cool in pink(I'm not necessarily thinking Pink Suds...) :-) CLICK HERE TO GO TO ovrphil's LINK 
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| Post# 629202 , Reply# 12 10/3/2012 at 13:38 (4,220 days old) by 1966_mustang () | ||
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Hey I often wondered this as well when it came to tub color... Can someone post some photos of the diffenet colors they are talking about?? Also does anyone know of a tub for sale? I need one... with the long center post.. | ||
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Post# 629218 , Reply# 13 10/3/2012 at 15:08 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Requested pictures of tubs
I have some tub pictures - I could take better ones at home, but I will post some that I can access right now.
Before I post those however, let it be understood that all Kenmore and WP belt-drive tubs are porcelain coated, and are thus porcelain smooth. New, they are all fairly glossy as well, but the double coated white ones are richer and more substantial looking than the BOL blue and the speckled ones. Also, tubs wear at different rates depending on detergents used, water hardness, etc. I have seen some tubs become quite dull with abrasiveness of minerals and detergent, while others remain pristine. | ||
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Post# 629219 , Reply# 14 10/3/2012 at 15:13 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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First up
1965/1966 Kenmore 400 entry level washer with what we're calling the 'BOL blue' basket. This one is still nice and shiny - these are about the first to wear. I have one which is worn down to the metal and the owner said it transferred rust stains onto the clothes. It however is very well used...
Picture borrowed from Robert's 2008 "Memories of Estate Sale Saturdays" Thread, which I still enjoy revisitin. 
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Post# 629220 , Reply# 15 10/3/2012 at 15:16 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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1979 Kenmore 500 | ||
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Post# 629221 , Reply# 16 10/3/2012 at 15:17 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 629222 , Reply# 17 10/3/2012 at 15:20 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 629224 , Reply# 18 10/3/2012 at 15:24 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Same tub in the beige speckled tub that we discussed earlier. This one is nice and un-scuffed. I have it in one of those promotional 1977 Kenmores I mentioned, thus it isn't the proper basket, but I didn't have a blue gray tub to fit, so I installed this one instead. The original was eaten away by industrial detergents and mop heads. I scavenged this tub from behind a used appliance store before it was tossed into a dumpster heading to a recycler. YAY!
Agitator is a Penta-Swirl. This is a very unassuming agitator, but it does a heck of a job unless you overload it. 1974 Lady Kenmores used this tub, however in snow white - one of the only white applications I know of from the mid 1970s. They are stunning. 
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Post# 629225 , Reply# 19 10/3/2012 at 15:30 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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The blue gray again in a 1981 Kenmore 200. This is a slightly reduced size machine that was engineered to use less water.
This is how nearly all the baskets appeared in large capacity Kenmores from the second half of 1981 through the end of the belt drives. They have varying amounts of white speckles -- the ones that are darker are really striking -- but they are essentiallly all the same. Don't ask me why, but I really like this combination of white Penta-Vane and this tub. 
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| Post# 629230 , Reply# 20 10/3/2012 at 15:53 (4,220 days old) by 1966_mustang () | ||
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Does anyone know where I could get one of the fine tubs for the older Long centerpost for a Whirlpool? I'll pay a good price!! | ||
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Post# 629233 , Reply# 21 10/3/2012 at 16:05 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Shoot - I was going to post a couple 24" baskets before I got into the rest of these, so I could show a comparison to the 29" standard capacity - forgot. Well, here are a couple anyway.
First is my 1967 Kenmore 100 - another BOL blue - this one looks dull but it was warehouse dusty, however it is not as pristine as the other BOL blue above. This is a 24" tub however. 
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Post# 629234 , Reply# 22 10/3/2012 at 16:12 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 629235 , Reply# 23 10/3/2012 at 16:14 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 629236 , Reply# 24 10/3/2012 at 16:15 (4,220 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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'66 Mustang | ||
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Post# 629246 , Reply# 25 10/3/2012 at 17:17 (4,220 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 629249 , Reply# 26 10/3/2012 at 17:33 (4,220 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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Gordon: Your collection reminds me of something that should appear in a book,but I can't think of a title right now. I like the different colored agitators that actually "work" with the speckled or spreckled(they are referred to as both, right?)tubs.
Like the penta-swirl and tub; not sure if it had enough holes at the bottom, but the three-leaf clover pattern of holes is striking. The dark blue tub is really a dark blue; normal use wouldn't deteriorate the porcelain; the LK's had a better porcelain finish, eh? Looking forward to any more you post, anytime. If all Kenmore's and WP are porcelain, I know of one that didn't have the smoothest finish...maybe I am remembering that the speckle is actually raised or as you say, some harsh chemicals were added to it. Aldspinboy-that white tub, yellow cap and turquoise body of your washer is very nice!!! | ||
| Post# 629268 , Reply# 27 10/3/2012 at 20:01 (4,220 days old) by 1966_mustang () | ||
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Gordon! Hey man I need one with a Long center post that is standard capacity Also I need Black WHirlpool SURGILATOR agitator.. Man if you could help me with either of these I would be SOOOOO greatfull! | ||
| Post# 629269 , Reply# 28 10/3/2012 at 20:02 (4,220 days old) by 1966_mustang () | ||
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Might need the Agitator WORSE!! | ||
| Post# 629302 , Reply# 29 10/4/2012 at 01:31 (4,219 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
BOL blue' basket | ||
| Post# 629522 , Reply# 30 10/5/2012 at 04:22 (4,218 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Phil... thank you very much for your comments on the Kenmore washer. I would say that the beige tub Gordon talks about from mine seems smooth. But seems the white one is smoother like glass.
The Pink Panther carton is histeracle love it when he closes the doors on the washers. And Pink when the coins go up in the air and lands in the coin slot. I have seen kids really be bad like that in a laundromat you want to ring there necks lol. Thanks much.
Gordon ... What a great display of tub shots Reply 15 is the bomb we got the last of the wags in 1979 or 80 model and you have, the model with the plastic panel three cycle machine. Was the best , had a strong pump that would make the floor shake. Came with the gold straght vane agitator, I changed it later with a gold Roto -Swirl. But I played or changed them out when washing jeans which I think do a great job better then a Roto-Swirl Agi. And Reply 19 with that white Penta-Vane really does look good in that machine. I'm also glad you saved the dumpster basket what a good fine and story.
Here are some more shots of baskets.
Bestcleaning ,,Rodrigo machine baskets in Brazil. Love this one Gordon looks like your in a midnight sky with all the stars. Check out the logo cap with the boy on it.
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| Post# 629523 , Reply# 31 10/5/2012 at 04:26 (4,218 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 629524 , Reply# 32 10/5/2012 at 04:29 (4,218 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Pic 3. For Mike ... ( Mickeyd ) Here is that low water in a Roto - Flex Mike lol. Only a still shot. 
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| Post# 629525 , Reply# 33 10/5/2012 at 04:38 (4,218 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 629526 , Reply# 34 10/5/2012 at 04:42 (4,218 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 629527 , Reply# 35 10/5/2012 at 04:47 (4,218 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 629528 , Reply# 36 10/5/2012 at 04:48 (4,218 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 629819 , Reply# 37 10/6/2012 at 11:46 (4,217 days old) by 1966_mustang () | ||
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Looks good!! what do you want for it?? I also replyed in the Other thread and sent you an Email.. What do you want for it? PS Would you be intrested in saleing either of those washers in the back ground? :) | ||
| Post# 629966 , Reply# 38 10/7/2012 at 07:46 (4,216 days old) by 1966_mustang () | ||
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Bump for Darren k!! Hey man ready when you are... I also sent an Email.. | ||
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Post# 629970 , Reply# 39 10/7/2012 at 08:50 (4,216 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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Darren: Glad you enjoyed the Pink Panther - we love him.
You guys are swapping out agitators like changing clothes and living up to the reputation: "Playing in the water" LOL! Do you have to take the machine apart and disassemble the tub to change an agitator? I don't know how my Maytag agitator comes off, but it would be interesting to be able to swap out different agitators..for no other reason to give it a different look and maybe...actually use them for different types of cleaning? I don't know, just thinkin' out loud here. 1) The Surgelator looks like a super water moving, clothes agitating demon; delicate items look like they'd beg for a bag and slow speed. 2) Is reply #34 a Roto-Flex? Is it the same size as the Roto-Swirl? Any differences in the Flex or Swirl? It would be interesting to know how they marketed these differences or if they did at all. 3)The Penta-Swirl is futuristic looking, even to this day, aside from its water moving dynamics. All these agitators must have unique water moving/ clothes cleaning dynamics, but probably get the clothes as clean as any other in the group, right? It's all in the water and soap used, which makes the presence of different looking agitators so interesting. Machines today w/o agitators wouldn't be so bad, if they had some water in them, to clean the clothes. :-) Ok, I'm bad. | ||
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