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GE Recalls 62,000 Front-load Washers Citing Injury Hazard
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Post# 629344   10/4/2012 at 09:41 (4,193 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any pictures of washers that have suffered this fate. -Joe

(RTTNews.com) - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission said Wednesday that General Electric Co. (GE) has voluntary recalled 62,000 GE Profile front-loading washing machines, citing an injury hazard.

The CPSC noted that the washer's basket can separate during the final spin cycle, which in some instances can break the washer's top panel and pose an injury hazard to consumers.

GE has received 19 reports of incidents where the washer baskets separated during the final spin cycle, including ten reports of top panel breakage. However, no injuries have been reported.

The recall involves GE Profile front-load washing machines with model numbers beginning with WPDH8800, WPDH8900 and WPDH8910. All serial numbers with these models are included in the recall.

The model number is located on the washer's right side near the bottom and behind the door near the door frame visible when the door is opened.

The washing machines, manufactured between April 2008 and October 2010 in China, were sold in gold, red and white colors.

The washers were sold at Best Buy Co. Inc. (BBY), Lowe's Companies Inc. (LOW), Sears Holding Corp. (SHLD), Home Depot Inc. (HD), and other department and retail stores nationwide, from July 2008 to August 2011 for between $1,199 and $1,599.

The CPSC said that consumers should stop using recalled products immediately and contact GE for a free repair.

GE closed Wednesday's regular session at $22.91, up $0.12 or 0.53 percent on a volume of 32.93 million shares.






Post# 629399 , Reply# 1   10/4/2012 at 14:41 (4,193 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Exploding basket seems going around. Anyone kept track of what brands it has NOT happened to?

Post# 629408 , Reply# 2   10/4/2012 at 15:15 (4,193 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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What is the other brand this is happening to??

 

I know the problem with the LG HE top loader is due to user error.

 

Kevin


Post# 629415 , Reply# 3   10/4/2012 at 16:34 (4,193 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)        

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Yes, LG was foolish enough to emulate GE's suspended tub principle, but instead of using STEEL attachment points, they used plastic!



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Post# 629416 , Reply# 4   10/4/2012 at 16:38 (4,193 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)        

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The model affected is the heart or Vick's lozenge shaped door models. I knew it had to be those machines made by SWAn for GE. This is what happens when you outsource to CHINA.

Post# 629419 , Reply# 5   10/4/2012 at 16:46 (4,193 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        
What other brands?

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Don't quote me, but Hotpoint and Candy just for two.

Please specify what user error can make baskets explode. The story I recall was defective welds. I seem to have deleted my photo of one such.

Photo above is of a broken suspension. Are we talking about that, or structural failure of the basket under centrifugal force?


Post# 629420 , Reply# 6   10/4/2012 at 16:50 (4,193 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Indesit

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Was one over this side that made a lot of press a few years back.

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Post# 629427 , Reply# 7   10/4/2012 at 17:08 (4,193 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Don't quote me, but Hotpoint and Candy just for two.

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Is this for models sold in the US or the EU?

 

As for the user error issue, from what I've seen and read on the LG top load machines here in the US (note: I have NOT read everything about this) it sounds like the majority time the user is washing "bulky" items on a "normal" cycle.   The machine spins too fast on the "normal" cycle for "bulky" items, especially if they're only washing one item.   In these instances it's a problem with the suspension breaking due to being out of balance at too high of a speed, not the tub welds failing.


Post# 629431 , Reply# 8   10/4/2012 at 17:21 (4,193 days old) by iowegian ()        

Hopefully when GE gets their U.S. manufacturing operations built back up, they can avoid this kind of problem.

Perhaps most people are oblivious or just don't care, but personally I'd be P.O'd to find out my Profile (premium line) appliance was made in China. Adding insult to the recall injury...

At some point though the "spin RPM war" is going to have to end. Or else they'll have to put special containment devices in like the bellhousings and scattershields that drag racers use to keep clutches/flywheels/torque converters/flexplates contained when they grenade.


Post# 629441 , Reply# 9   10/4/2012 at 17:56 (4,193 days old) by washer111 ()        

Personally, I hope all the top-notch executive bastards trying to sell bullshit own these washing machines... Thats right Mr. LG guy. AND Mr GE guy. I hope you have a washer explosion that RUINS your house. Maybe then you'll wake up!

Because of LG's ethnic/national background, I question whether it may be a weapon of its near, locked away, unfriendly neighbour... Located to the North of its original country...


Post# 629447 , Reply# 10   10/4/2012 at 18:17 (4,193 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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how many times do we need examples of the results of China's outsourcing? Plastic attachment points - wtf!? W-T-FFFFFF?

Soon you can drive across the Bay on a Chinese made bridge..maybe they perfected the plastic hangers by now? www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...

Profit at any Cost(Jack Welch), eh?


Post# 629454 , Reply# 11   10/4/2012 at 18:40 (4,193 days old) by iowegian ()        

There seem to be some signs that corporations are learning that outsourcing to China, Mexico and other places isn't the great money-making deal they thought it was going to be.

GE is making a big investment (somewhere near $1 billion) in their old Appliance Park facility in Kentucky, and Whirlpool has stated they will no longer import Mexican made washers here.

Ford is expanding their Kansas City plant to assemble the Transit Van, which will be replacing the old Econoline. Not so long ago, that might have been done in Mexico rather than Kansas City. Ford's investment in that plant is also north of $1 billion.

I hope that's just the beginning of a bigger trend.


Post# 629470 , Reply# 12   10/4/2012 at 20:11 (4,193 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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I wounder what the fix will be as it would be very expensive to replace the wash tub with a stronger one. I would not be surprised if they didn't do something like add a reinforcement under the top so when the washer flies apart it just contains the flying pieces, LOL.

 

This is one of the problems with importing major appliances from far away places, as the shipping costs eat them alive and they have every incentive to make then as thin and light weight as possible. You can really see this in the LG and Samsung appliances now once you get past the shiny exterior they are very thin and cheap, always ask the guy that works on them, LOL.


Post# 629481 , Reply# 13   10/4/2012 at 20:56 (4,193 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
Other machines exploding...

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Looks like it's becoming a bigger problem than we think. Even Mieles have exploded! Granted, it could very well have been user error...



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Post# 629484 , Reply# 14   10/4/2012 at 21:04 (4,193 days old) by Iowegian ()        

Is, "Which?" the UK version of Consumer Reports?

Or are they just a big timewaster site like "laundry.reviewed.com/..."?


Post# 629490 , Reply# 15   10/4/2012 at 21:52 (4,193 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Iowegian: Hope so, TOO. We'll see if it's more than skin deep, in action.

Post# 629492 , Reply# 16   10/4/2012 at 22:24 (4,193 days old) by Iowegian ()        

@ovrphil:

The best we can do is vote with our wallets - mine isn't as fat as I wish it was, but I still get to decide where it goes. Our desire to save a quarter on a tube of toothpaste doesn't justify moving production of Colgate to China and putting someone out of work in Indiana, IMO.

I should stop there since I'm a noob here and don't want to cross any forum boundaries.


Post# 629502 , Reply# 17   10/4/2012 at 23:28 (4,193 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Unable to find a more specific description of the failure, the press releases are pastes of each other. They do show the 'lozenge' door model and one release said that was the model in question.

From the (limited) descriptions of the GE damage, the baskets are not coming unwelded as they did in Euro models. Only about half the GEs knocked the top cover loose. Basket separation literally destroys the machine like dynamite would.


Post# 629505 , Reply# 18   10/5/2012 at 00:07 (4,193 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

Ooooopsy-Daisy, Mr. General Electric. Between this and your igniting dishwashers, (one of which I owned) it looks like the executives of your company will likely send a bunch of sacrificial, non-decision-maker, middle-management lambs to the guillotine (for eyewash and blame), while taking no responsibility themselves.

Post# 629506 , Reply# 19   10/5/2012 at 00:21 (4,193 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Another machine with the "SPIN-SPLODE" action!show your freinds!Tell your neighbors-have them watch your washers SPIN-SPLODE action-pretend its a GE jet engine on the test stand!At least the GE jet engines haven't spin- sploded --YET.

Post# 629507 , Reply# 20   10/5/2012 at 00:31 (4,193 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I wounder what the fix will be as it would be very expensive to replace the wash tub with a stronger one.

They'll probably take the machine back and give the owner a certificate for $100 off on any new GE machine.


Post# 629519 , Reply# 21   10/5/2012 at 03:08 (4,193 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Iowegian love that term

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"when they grenade"!! Gonna use that one!



Post# 629530 , Reply# 22   10/5/2012 at 05:13 (4,192 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The new Frigidaire (made by Electrolux) machines seem to be holding together. Haven't read of any catastrophic failures during the spin cycle. Mine spins at 1300 rpm, and I can certainly see the potential for injury if that baby would try to escape its moorings.

Post# 629587 , Reply# 23   10/5/2012 at 07:33 (4,192 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)        

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How do we know what those cheap and dishonest Chinese manufacturers are putting in your toothpaste? Thank goodness you don't ingest it.
With their prior record, it seems to span across various industries, so nothing is immune, Baby formula, drywall, lead-laced painted toys and now inferior build quality on major appliances. Did Jack Welch move to CHINA?
Outsourcing has stained the history of once great companies in the name of saving a buck. Sounds good at the board meeting, but in execution, it has been a disaster.
They build beautiful cities in CHINA with our money, and we can't even get a rusty bridge that thousands of commuters rely on, fixed without it collapsing first.


Post# 629588 , Reply# 24   10/5/2012 at 07:42 (4,192 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)        

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I suspect GE is more concerned with building high tech jet engines and aerospace components to be bothered by Aunt Milly's washer troubles.
Funny, you don't see them building those in CHINA.
I have already decided I'd rather buy old, than new made in CHINA.


Post# 629590 , Reply# 25   10/5/2012 at 08:28 (4,192 days old) by Iowegian ()        

@tolivac:

While GE jet engines are good, they do fail, sometimes with really bad results. Most notable is United Flight 232 that crashed at Sioux City, IA in 1989. They had an unconfined failure (a spin-splode) of one of their GE engines. Shrapnel from the engine took out the main and backup flight control hydraulics.

See link for another example of one that failed on the ground...


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Post# 629608 , Reply# 26   10/5/2012 at 09:16 (4,192 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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lucky so far whirlpool or maytag brands fl washers have not been hit yet...

Post# 629703 , Reply# 27   10/5/2012 at 19:05 (4,192 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

GE has moved their jet engine manufacturing to Brazil from the United States.

They have had a history with the GE-90 engine coming apart in the air. For awhile Air France had a large part of their 777 fleet grounded due to this. Then when they were able to fly again they couldn't go direct over the Atlantic, but had to take a circuitous route along the coasts of Newfoundland, Greenlan, Iceland before making it to Europe. This added about 2.5 hours flying time to their routes.

Now the authorithies say that where an engine is made doesn't have any bearing on how it will perform, but you can make your own conclusions.

And some airlines are outsourcing their aircraft maintenance to places like Costa Rica where they can get it done cheaper than by their own mechanics.

And let's not harp on all the pet dogs that China killed with their contaminated wheat our dog food companies bought just so some guy on a board of directors can bring a few bucks home more than he did last week.


Post# 629752 , Reply# 28   10/6/2012 at 00:59 (4,192 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Besides the new GE washers-now guess you have to be concerned with the Spin-Splode action if the plane you are riding on is powered by GE engines.What happened to Pratt&whitney?The engines and part building in Brazil and Costa Rica is of concern-and----GE moved their medical X-Ray division to China!!Guess now you have to worry if you are X-Rayed at the dentist or doctors office--and WAIT---Many diagnostic X-Ray machines have----ROTATING X-Ray tube anodes.Hope the X-Ray tube doesn't spin splode above you while your X-Rays are taken!

Post# 629829 , Reply# 29   10/6/2012 at 13:00 (4,191 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Fortunately the 777 (which used the GE engine) is capable of even taking off with a full load on one engine. So shutting down an exploded engine in flight is not that big a deal anymore.

What was a big deal was about two years ago a Qantas A380 with Rolls Royce engines had an engine explode on it's way from Australia to London. When it exploded it punctured a few holes in the wings, damaged the flaps and punctured the fuselage causing a cabin decompression. It took about 18 months to repair the aircraft and return it to the air. The Qantas crew did some fancy flying to keep it in the air for two more hours after the engine had what's known as an "uncontained" engine failure.

About 10 years ago Delta had a MD80 engine explode on takeoff from Pensacola, FL and parts from the engine punctured the fuselage and debris from the engine killed a few passengers. But I don't know if they were GE engines.

Pratt & Whitney is still around. When you order an aircraft you choose what brand engines you want. But a few aircraft only come with one brand of engines.


Post# 629856 , Reply# 30   10/6/2012 at 16:51 (4,191 days old) by Iowegian ()        

The MD-80s (& DC-9 & MD-81) have Pratt & Whitney JT8D-xx series engines. They are/were used in Boeing 727s, early 737s and some DC-8s.

No manufacturer is immune to problems...it's pretty amazing more of them don't fail, given the RPM, temperatures and pressures present in those engines - some really good engineering going on.


Post# 629877 , Reply# 31   10/6/2012 at 19:28 (4,191 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
SWAN song

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Had GE not moved a lot of washer production to Kentucky, the spin-splode variety of washers could have been GE's "SWAN SONG" ?

Post# 629925 , Reply# 32   10/6/2012 at 23:55 (4,191 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        
"GE has moved their jet engine manufacturing to Brazil f

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I don't think that is true. This article says they have 9000 employees in Ohio at six facilities and are hiring more.



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Post# 629930 , Reply# 33   10/7/2012 at 00:14 (4,191 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Rising Shipping & Local Labour Costs

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Are rapidly negating the benefits of transfering manufacturing of many items overseas.

The local populations of China, Mexico, South America etc are waking up and demanding better wages and or working conditions. Political unstability as in newly elected leaders coming to power and nationalising various industries in whole or part also presents a risk.

OTHO conditions on the ground not only in "Right To Work" states, but former strong union places such as the "Rust Belt"/Mid-West have shifted to bring labour costs down. Indeed for the most part labour unions attempts to force issues by going on strike have gone no where. Some Caterpillar workers recently had to throw in the towel and return to work from a strike out of the very real fear the company would simply pack up their plant and move house.

As Obamacare takes hold and businesses either see a reduction in their employee healthcare costs, or simply shift them all together to the public (via paying employees a lump sum to go out and find their own insurance), that will bring the cost of production down, this should in theory help manufacturing.


Post# 629946 , Reply# 34   10/7/2012 at 01:23 (4,191 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        
Yes m'lady

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Raise expectations in third-world countries and costs go up just like they did in Detroit over time. Shippers came to want their cut of what US corps were making off 12yo slave girls in China. Corps are also discovering the potential costs of passing off shoddy goods, as in the subject of this thread.

I think most knew the 00's model was not sustainable, even those who fabricated it. They just wanted to grab and go. Many (like me) saw it coming before we had to live through it and find out the hard way. But "the vision thing" isn't a big seller in the halls of power. See "grab and go" above.


Post# 630031 , Reply# 35   10/7/2012 at 13:22 (4,190 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

When Jeff Immelt was interviewed by 60 Minutes this spring they asked him about moving jobs to Brazil from the US in the GE Jet Engine division. I researched this a little more and what they are doing is servicing those engines in Brasil rather then building them there. And it's only for one engine, the one us on the 787 which is problematic on it's own.

60% of GE's income comes from areas other than the USA. And GE only has 133,000 employees in the US, kind of low considering how large a company it is.

As we know GE is trying to bring jobs back to Appliance Park, but what kind of jobs are those? The ones that pay $11.00 per hour with no benefits?


Post# 630175 , Reply# 36   10/8/2012 at 03:09 (4,190 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

777-have ridden on these-typically flights from Wash DC Dulles to Denver or Chicago to catch a flight from Dencer or Chicago to Rapid City,S Dak.The 777 is a very nice plane-did talk to some pilots as I was getting off-had time that day.They preferred "driving" the 777 as opposed to the 747.They felt the 777 had better takeoff ability.And they mentioned that it could operate on one engine.didn't know who built the engines. And one of the 777 I flew on was brand new-had that "new" smell like a new car.So,GE must build the motors for these-or if you were an aircraft purchaser-could you choose another brand engine.Guess with buying planes you can have your choice of engine builder-kinda like with trucks and some tractors.Yes,with turbine engines of all sorts failures do happen-becuase of the high speeds and temps-power plants aren't immune,either-their turbines made be GE or Westinghouse.These are larger than jet engine turbines-run from steam flowing thru them-high pressure and low pressure sections-reheat-med pressure section in fossil fuel steam turbines(this is what makes them so efficient--why power companines want to stay with fossil fuels) Nuclear fuels-the steam system doesn't use reheat.so the efficiency will be slightly less.and these turbines spin generators that have rotors weighing 100-200 tons! and they are spun at 1800,3600 RPM.Both rotors and turbines have "spin sploded" in power plants-can happen when the generator suddenly experiences a "no load" situation-becuase of OL-and overspeeds before the steam throttle closes.When a gen rotor spin splodes-takes out the stator section,too.So both have to be repaired-rewound.
remember there was a large Westinghouse generator production plant in Pensecola Fla,closed a long time ago.Don't know where its operations were transferred to.Now for central power plants-many companies specialize in rebuilding the turbines and generators-GE and Westinghouse made the majority of them.


Post# 630322 , Reply# 37   10/8/2012 at 20:31 (4,189 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        
Westinghouse Pensacola

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It was consolidated with their operations in Charlotte, N.C. in 1997. Now owned by Siemens.



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Post# 630363 , Reply# 38   10/9/2012 at 00:31 (4,189 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Oh yes,Many of Westinghouses former operations now taken over by Seimens.Makes sense.there is a "Seimens" circuit breaker factory outside of Raleigh NC.

Post# 630366 , Reply# 39   10/9/2012 at 01:21 (4,189 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Siemens bought Westinghouse apparatus division when W failed in the late 90s.

Below is a serial article from Pittsburgh Post Gazette about W's demise.


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Post# 630462 , Reply# 40   10/9/2012 at 13:05 (4,188 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

One of the problems with newer next generation jet engines is that the fan blades in the compressors are no longer made of metal, but of carbon fiber material. Spinning at 30,000 RPM or more it has been shown they can fail. It' a problem that
has yet to be totally overcome.


Post# 630478 , Reply# 41   10/9/2012 at 14:09 (4,188 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I know this is probably crazy

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but - I have flown several times in my life. To Cleveland, Tulsa, San Fran, LA, Denver, Kansas City......But I refuse to fly anymore. It suddenly terrified me the thought of all of the intricate details that go into flying a plane and all the little things that could go wrong.........It's SILLY I know, but I can't get past it and I will not get on another one.

Post# 630486 , Reply# 42   10/9/2012 at 15:00 (4,188 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        
Crazy but understood

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Everything in aircraft is at least double redundant, sometimes triple or quadruple. You're in MUCH more danger driving to the supermarket than flying.

But can't argue with terror. I used to rock climb. Now I'm scared standing on a chair to change a lightbulb.


Post# 630588 , Reply# 43   10/10/2012 at 01:55 (4,188 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

After the talk here of airplane engines Spin-sploding at wrong times-and non metal blades spinning at Vita-Mix speeds-no wonder the ridership on airlines is falling besides the security safety crap.Flying is just no fun anymore!Remember when it was!and the other thing-the killer airline fares!Guess to pay for the fuel and the spin-splode engines.The last time I flew-from Greenville NC to LA--the fare was the price of a new KIRBY!but I did enjoy the benefits of seeing my Sister,Mom,and Brothers and their families-was kinda a family reunion.

Post# 630730 , Reply# 44   10/10/2012 at 19:48 (4,187 days old) by Iowegian ()        

Sure, airplane engines fail very, very rarely, but airline transit is by far the safest mode of transportation - much better than cars, buses, railroad and so on.

It's no fun going to modern airports and suffering all the scheduling and security indignities, but the odds of meeting your maker are much greater in your own personal car.

Still, for any trip less than about 500 miles, we'll drive, just to avoid the airport/airline BS.


Post# 630756 , Reply# 45   10/10/2012 at 22:09 (4,187 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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Of all the turbo fan engines GE has produced over the years, my favorite will always be the TF-39 they developed for the C-5 Galaxy. You always knew when a C-5 was near just by the sound. It's too bad they're phasing them out :-(

Post# 630777 , Reply# 46   10/11/2012 at 00:27 (4,187 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Yes,airlines are still the safest forms of mass transit-but I think folks are just getting nervous and tired of the TSA stuff.Once you manage to get on the plane and go to your destination-its not bad-But its not the FLYING thats the issue-but what goes on in between.Rail transit can be safe-its just the Amtrack problems.In other countries the train tavel may actually be safer than the airlines.French TVG , and Japanese high speed rail have better safety records than the airlines at present.

Post# 630779 , Reply# 47   10/11/2012 at 00:46 (4,187 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        
RE: Engines Exploding

When you look at a jet engine you'll notice around the front of the engine the metal housing is pretty thick. This is because under the front 1/3 of the engine or so are metal/fiberglass/Kevlar belts. The housing is called a blade containment housing. It's main purpose it contain shrapnel that may come off an engine that has a fan blade failure. It works most of the time. But I would think that there are only about a dozen or so loss of containment engine failures per year. But when they do happen they are dramatic.

But this is not new. Back in the days of props, sometimes prop blades would come loose and when that happened the prop blade may fly through the cabin shearing people in half! Back in the late 60's a Lake Central Airlines Convair 580 had a prop governor seize in flight and a prop blade came through the cabin and sliced off the front third of the aircraft! Needless to say the aircraft crashed.

The airlines want to maximize profit and one way of doing this is paying employees less for the jobs they do. So underpaid staff is more likely to be surly with the passengers who are already nasty from being irritated by the TSA.

Seat pitch (the distance between the seats) used to be 34 inches, it's now 28-30 inches. This means if the person ahead of you reclines their seat, their head is in your lap. Plus some airlines now charge extra for window seats and aisle seats. So buy the time you buy that cheap airfare you still have a lot of costs to pay on top of it. Checked baggage fees, seat fees, etc.

And the airlines have reduced the number of aircraft they have along with the number of flights they have to their various destinations. This means less seats to where you want to go so the flights are mostly packed full. Karen & I thought about non-revving to Chicago but seats are very hard to come by.


Post# 630785 , Reply# 48   10/11/2012 at 01:49 (4,187 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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My neighbor has no trouble non-revving to Minnesota every now and then. He works for American. But then American is bankrupt.

I wonder if they charge the passengers in row 32 extra for the legroom when row 31 comes unbolted from the floor?


Post# 630786 , Reply# 49   10/11/2012 at 01:51 (4,187 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

What we need is a new high-tech land rail system in this country!


Post# 630795 , Reply# 50   10/11/2012 at 03:09 (4,187 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

If I non rev to ORD, it'll be through ATL as Delta offers no direct flights to Chicago. And most service on the Houston-Atlanta service is MD80 or smaller RJ's.
We have a ZED agreement with UA, but IAH-ORD is heavily traveled.

So it might be easier to fly DTW-MSP than IAH-ORD because the DTW-MSP sector is loaded with widebodies headed for Asia. We tried Frontier Houston-Denver-Midway and that's a nice trip, but they reduced the Houston-Denver service to RJ aircraft. When they were using the A319's on that route they were always 100% full.


Post# 630803 , Reply# 51   10/11/2012 at 06:26 (4,186 days old) by Philip0603 ()        
Re out sourcing

Over this side of the pond we are noticing a small, but increasing amount of companies returning some, if not all manufacturing back to the UK as it's cheaper!!

About time I say. I could never see the long term benefit of having someone on the other side of the planet making stuff then shipping it at huge expense for us to save a couple of quid (Bucks).

With regard to spinning grenade washing machines, my Miele 377 which spins at a leisurely 1600 rpm has not yet self destructed after only 13 years use. Will report back if it does. I intend to keep it until I am six feet under.


Post# 630805 , Reply# 52   10/11/2012 at 06:28 (4,186 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
High speed rail

This is nice to think about and wish for-but with the patchwork RR route system in the US-this may be almost impossible-esp for a price that can be paid from the farebox.Grade crossings have to be kept to an absolute minimum if any at all for the high speed trains.You can imagine what happens if a train traveling at 200+ MPH or even 100MPH + collides with a car or truck at a grade crossing-or even a large animal like a steer or cow,or moose in some areas.A high speed derailment would not be pretty-would be as bad as a major arliner wreck-or more so since the train could carry more passengers.It is reported with the TVG train system there are sensors on the track in some areas at the few crossing they have-if an animal,person,or vehicle is on the track-it sends a caution slow down message to the train engineer-if he doesn't take action-turns to automatic breaking and stop.think of the special trackage and other route equipment these trains need,the power generating and conversion for the electric locomotives,the cost of the fleet of rolling stock,then the crews needed to operate and maintain these trains.Each TVG locomotive is rated at 8000Hp!
For airlines how much of the operation is paid for from the "farebox"?Maybe some folks who worked for the airlines has the answer.
In the airplane engines-the containement barriers and shouds make sense.And I have heard of prop planes throwing blades-again rare-but when it happens--BAD.And I used to ride on those Convair 580's-they were FUN to ride.Guess to a plane fan-the prop plane to them is like a steam locomotive to a rail fan.
and not transport-but read about the mowers used for roadside mowing -rotary and flail-their blades are swivel mounted like in some disposers.Sometimes those get thrown-and the blade and debris can fly 300Ft.and the blade can penetrate the mower housing!The person using the mower must make sure the blade assembly doesn't crash into the ground(deck height too low)or colliding with a really hard object.But how many roadside mowers have you passed-LOTS for me-no blade throwing YET.


Post# 630913 , Reply# 53   10/11/2012 at 17:04 (4,186 days old) by bertrum ()        
out-sourcing to China

Lets be fair to China here, they are building cheap appliances upon our demand.

The technology is there and China does produce world class engineering however when appliance companies outsource to China they do this to save a buck, they also build appliances on a tiny budget, the only way they can make appliances on this budget is to cut corners.



Post# 1099257 , Reply# 54   12/4/2020 at 10:40 (1,210 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
It seems to me that years later,

nothing has changed.

Post# 1099285 , Reply# 55   12/4/2020 at 16:41 (1,210 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Why, have any of the new GE Ultra Vent front loader washers had problems or been recalled? It would be news to me. It does look like GE did its job on this one, even if it's outsourced to China. After all, a LOT of stuff is outsourced these days.


Post# 1099292 , Reply# 56   12/4/2020 at 17:32 (1,210 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
We'll see

how they will stand up to tough everyday loads. If I could get my hands on one, I'd do a normal cycle with a load of colors on default settings during this time of year. I have good luck with my Kenmore elites.

Post# 1099297 , Reply# 57   12/4/2020 at 18:19 (1,210 days old) by Geoff (Cape Coral, FL)        
Just for reference,

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Yet again, this thread is over 8 years old and has nothing to do with the current day GE lineup.

Geoff


Post# 1099302 , Reply# 58   12/4/2020 at 19:38 (1,210 days old) by Sudster ()        

Thanks Geoff, Maybe they purchased a double extended warranty--LOL

Post# 1099307 , Reply# 59   12/4/2020 at 20:28 (1,210 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I had to run and ask my all knowing Magic 8 Ball.....

the reply:


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Post# 1099329 , Reply# 60   12/5/2020 at 00:58 (1,210 days old) by superocd (PNW)        
Pretty sure 90% of those were already scrapped & melted down

about five years ago. Those washers were made by Swan and I haven't heard good things about them. Maybe ten people will be coming forward to claim their recall, lol. GE front loaders were probably the most reliable when Frigidaire/Electrolux were making them. Not sure about the ones they're making (or rebadging) today but when I went front loader shopping a couple years back, GE was automatically off my list since their appliances, aside from maybe their stoves and basic "landlord special" fridges (which are hard to screw up), haven't been the best for over a decade, which is really sad, because they used to be an American engineering powerhouse. I ended up with an LG-manufactured Kenmore, which was made in China of all places, and it has held up well without any hiccups after five years of ownership.

Post# 1099365 , Reply# 61   12/5/2020 at 10:27 (1,209 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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What's with all these old threads coming back from the graveyard?
Doesn't this cost money on the servers?
Would it make sense for threads of a certain age to be locked?


Post# 1099369 , Reply# 62   12/5/2020 at 11:00 (1,209 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I don't think it has an effect on server cost ... data for any "old" discussion brought back up is already on the server, else it wouldn't be accessible.


Post# 1099375 , Reply# 63   12/5/2020 at 11:52 (1,209 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Not trying to kick up dust on anyone, but GELaundry4ever aka Jerome Davis kept on spamming my comments section on YouTube and kept on bugging me about making a video of my ‘63 Whirlpool Imperial dryer running on the high speed, and I explained it didn’t sound much different than the 1956 Whirlpool Imperial dryer I uploaded to YouTube last year and yet still continued bugging me about it. Sometimes he would randomly chime into conversations in the comments section on YouTube.

Post# 1099376 , Reply# 64   12/5/2020 at 11:53 (1,209 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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In the past older threads were locked after a certain time without new posts. Robert made it available to revive older threads, I think there was a consensus for that. Anyway, nothing wrong with reviving old threads, you can see what date the original post is from.

Post# 1099384 , Reply# 65   12/5/2020 at 12:37 (1,209 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Perhaps it's not commonly known that Jerome/GELaundry4Ever is a vision-impaired person? ... which is related to his affinity for sounds.  I recall reference that he uses text-to-speech reader software to peruse the board.



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