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Post# 630824 10/11/2012 at 08:08 (4,214 days old) by gansky1  (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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 I saw this ad on our local Craigslist and called, I've been wanting to play with one of these washers since they came out. It didn't sound like there was much wrong. The owner explained that they tried to replace the pump, broke one of the wires (probably by dropping the pump) and called for service. Since the harness is one piece, the entire wiring harness had to be replaced at a cost of $543 with labor. A new washer was $800 so they just bought a new one. 
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Post# 630825 , Reply# 1 10/11/2012 at 08:09 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 630826 , Reply# 2 10/11/2012 at 08:10 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 630827 , Reply# 3 10/11/2012 at 08:13 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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The drain pump was in pieces and the broken wire hanging from the back. I replaced the broken plug on the pump wires after bench-testing the pump which ran fine. This led me to believe that something had been caught in the pump and likely fell out when they separated the pump halves.
Parts cost: 8 cents 
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Post# 630828 , Reply# 4 10/11/2012 at 08:16 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Believing there was a foreign object in the pump that caused the pump-fault error code the owner experienced, I decided to pull the basket from the machine to check for more foreign objects.
The tally of outer tub contents:
a quarter, two dimes and one penny four small socks a pair of girls underpants, size 6, Walmart brand a hairpin with some lint and hair
The socks and underwear appeared to be relatively clean and dry with only a bit of lint coating them. 
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Post# 630829 , Reply# 5 10/11/2012 at 08:18 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 630831 , Reply# 6 10/11/2012 at 08:25 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 630833 , Reply# 7 10/11/2012 at 08:32 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 630834 , Reply# 8 10/11/2012 at 08:38 (4,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Then this happened...
I have a witness! Brandon was over and when the machine finished, I pulled on one item and the entire load, save one shirt, came out at once. I've done around 10-12 loads in this washer and this is the first time for roping disaster. Thought it saves time unloading - one motion; washer to dryer, it's hasn't been the norm for this machine. Two subsequent loads were fine. 
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Post# 630841 , Reply# 9 10/11/2012 at 10:11 (4,214 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Jealous!!! I have been lusting after one of these machines myself for quite some time! I just didn't like how harsh many made them out to be! If they use THAT much water (even if on only one cycle) and can clean well, I NEED one now! I think I'm lusting after the Cabrio Platinum the most with that wonderful tub light!
Have you used any other cycles? How much water did they use? Any signs of the machine being rough? | ||
| Post# 630854 , Reply# 10 10/11/2012 at 11:16 (4,214 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Yea | ||
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Post# 630860 , Reply# 11 10/11/2012 at 11:56 (4,213 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Kewl lab rat project!! | ||
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Post# 630865 , Reply# 12 10/11/2012 at 12:26 (4,213 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Thank you for sharing I just don't understand why this is more desirable than a tumbler. It obviously costs less to build. Wash video reminds me or Robert's shaftless Maytag agitator in the clear tub washer with the wadding up and all. | ||
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Post# 630893 , Reply# 13 10/11/2012 at 15:37 (4,213 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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As far as I now, only the belt-driven Cabrios etc. don't have recirculation.
Water usage, according to washerdryerinfo.com, ranges from 13 to 45 gallons for the Whirlpool and Maytag HE models with an eight pound load. There was one Cabrio with an Allergen cycle that guzzled 73 gallons and, of course, the Samsung top loader that drank 80 gal. for the Towels cycle. | ||
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Post# 630895 , Reply# 14 10/11/2012 at 15:38 (4,213 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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The Sheets cycle (video) and the Bulky items cycle do fill up pretty high, the bulky might even be a bit higher. I did a whole bunch of bedding last weekend in these two cycles and was pretty impressed with the results overall.
I have used some of the other cycles but they are lower water levels and while they seem to be effective, lack the fun water-drama hoo-ha we like to see while standing over the washer. The cleaning has been very good, I'm using Tide HE powder - regular flavor. I have a load of whites to do tonight and will try the whitest whites cycle with Tide HE w/bleach. The washing action isn't as harsh as I thought it would be, the actual agitation is a fairly short part of the cycles, depending on which program you use. There is a lot of "Catalyst" action - spin and recirculating spray (that was the water spray in the video) so the prolonged contact time with the detergent solution before agitation begins likely helps to cut down on the need for longer agitation times. As with any of these HE washers, it always flashes through my mind while watching their many machinations and ritual dances, 'just fill up and wash the damn clothes already' but speed is not the goal. I've not tried the quick cycle, delicate cycle, etc. so have some more experimenting to do. I've thought the same thing, Tom, why not just buy a tumbler washer? I think cost as well as familiarity are big factors for most potential buyers. I can imagine many don't want the glitzy washer that seems as large as a refrigerator - they just want a washer that looks like the one that is broken for less than one paycheck. If the clothes are wet and stuck to the tub when they open the lid, they're done with washday. There is (at least) one other video on my YouTube channel, a bit longer. I have a couple more short vids I will try to get up tonight. | ||
| Post# 630899 , Reply# 15 10/11/2012 at 16:24 (4,213 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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If I remember correctly these machines were highly touted when they first came out. As for water usage, our 1993 WP set only uses 29 gallons of water per load according to the manual. That's less than this Cabrio uses! | ||
| Post# 630916 , Reply# 16 10/11/2012 at 17:15 (4,213 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
We just got our new Cabrio set last week, and so far I've been very pleased with the results. Clothes seem to come out clean w/o a huge amount of tangling. Occasionally there will be an item or two twisted up, but never one big ship's rope of clothes. No idea about long-term roughness on clothes yet, so the jury's out on that. The bulky items cycle uses quite a bit of water, so if you live in an area where the water supply isn't a concern, knock yourself out with that one. The washer does seem to need a bit of help when washing one large item like a quilt, etc. to get it distributed around the drum, but once you do that it spins just fine. And really this is an easier process than in a FL since you have gravity holding the item down as you spread it into a circle.
I really prefer the F&P / Cabrio-style dispenser locations vs. the Samsung/LG pull-out ones. Seems like there's a lot less to break there. And I discovered that some of the new Samsung TL washers (those with "Power Foam") are LIQUID ONLY, which was a big red-flag for me. I do wish the dryer had a less-tinted window as the current one is really useless. And I also wish it had a stainless drum vs. enameled. But overall, I'm happy. And yes, the drum light is awesome. Both my boys love to turn off the laundry room lights and watch it now! | ||
| Post# 630918 , Reply# 17 10/11/2012 at 17:23 (4,213 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Tangling
My WP duet front loader will tangle clothes sometimes. It always has.....especially if it's a mixed load including jeans. You go to pull out the clothes to put them in the dryer and you have the whole load in one big ball when you only reached for one. I throw it in the dryer and it's no big deal for me. So it's not just these types of machines that tangle.
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| Post# 630920 , Reply# 18 10/11/2012 at 17:26 (4,213 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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One odd (but good) think I've noticed is that the dryer seems a lot less likely to "log-up" a set of sheets that include a fitted sheet. Our last one - a Bosch Nexxt - would roll 'em up tighter than a Cuban cigar in no time. This one hasn't yet, in spite of having no fancy reversing cycles as far as I know. Go figure...
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Post# 630925 , Reply# 19 10/11/2012 at 17:42 (4,213 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Wow
"I can imagine many don't want the glitzy washer that seems as large as a refrigerator - they just want a washer that looks like the one that is broken for less than one paycheck. If the clothes are wet and stuck to the tub when they open the lid, they're done with washday. "
OMG I think this is SO true!! | ||
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Post# 630939 , Reply# 20 10/11/2012 at 19:44 (4,213 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I got a 2010 belt drive version......and really can't complain, it does a nice job on everything I have put thru it......it does take some time to do a Normal load, seems to have too many long pauses, which would shorten the cycle considerably, but all in all, it gets the job done nicely......
I really have watched the YouTube videos, only to realize, most people have no clue how to wash with a regular machine, not to mention something like this.....and of course, they blame all the bad results are totally from the machine, not their ignorance to operate a simple washer by following the instructions.... | ||
| Post# 631107 , Reply# 21 10/12/2012 at 16:34 (4,212 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Exactly! | ||
| Post# 631778 , Reply# 26 10/15/2012 at 07:57 (4,210 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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I had a WP Cabrio for a few months I liked it. I washed larged loads using either the bulky or sheets cycle and normal for the smaller loads. The only thing I didn't like about it was no window in the lid so I could watch it, LOL. | ||
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Post# 631782 , Reply# 27 10/15/2012 at 08:18 (4,210 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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The Cabrio does have a routine at the beginning of most cycles to distribute the load around the sides of the basket. Each of the programs seems to be a bit different, but it does spin the basket with the (mostly) dry load which causes the load to move to the outside, away from the impeller. I suspect this routine combined with overloading or "dumping" was the cause of the socks and underpants found in the outer tub when I got the washer home.
No matter how much explanation and demonstration of the machine's usage "suggestions" manufacturers publish, in a busy household with multiple users there will always be mistakes and even intentional misuse. I've not had a tangling issue since that one load, and amusing as it was, it did no damage to the clothes - the tangles were instantly gone in the dryer and would have easily shaken out before that. I've had tangled loads in almost every machine I have, it happens. | ||
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Post# 631789 , Reply# 28 10/15/2012 at 08:42 (4,210 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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