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Post# 632620 10/18/2012 at 16:03 (4,199 days old) by goatfarmer  (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 632621 , Reply# 1 10/18/2012 at 16:06 (4,199 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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directional cogs? | ||
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Post# 632628 , Reply# 2 10/18/2012 at 16:46 (4,199 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 632640 , Reply# 3 10/18/2012 at 17:11 (4,199 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 632645 , Reply# 4 10/18/2012 at 17:24 (4,199 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Harvest gold Maytag set | ||
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Post# 632650 , Reply# 5 10/18/2012 at 18:00 (4,199 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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$20.00 belt drive and agitator dogs
That's a suds saver machine, at least the control panel is meant for one. These panels are easily swapped between machines, all that is needed is the proper wiring harness coupler and any of them will connect on (there are several different wiring harnesses depending on the features of the machine and wiring needed).
The very first Dual Action agitators DID NOT have agitator dogs. There was a spring in between the base agitator and the auger, to assist in lifting the auger, and two sets of molded in matching/opposing "teeth" on the agitator and the auger. These teeth would slip in one direction, and engage in the other, like sliding two pre-fab staircases back and forth. The teeth looked like stairs... There were no moving parts in these except the auger and the agitator. They were NOISY, and didn't last long before they were replaced by the late 1977 early 1978 version which remained in production until the end of the BDs. This version had two red agitator shoes, which were easily three times the size of those used in a DD. They hardly ever seem to wear out, certainly not like the DD's do. I believe a few mid 1980s DDs used these original dogs too in their agitator, which used the BD auger. Here is a picture of the Kenmore BD dog (which Whirlpool called a shoe). Gordon 
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Post# 632670 , Reply# 6 10/18/2012 at 19:18 (4,199 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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DA Agitator | ||
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Post# 632686 , Reply# 7 10/18/2012 at 19:40 (4,199 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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DA in an older WP
Mark -
The answer to that is a definite "MAYBE". Basically, the only belt-drive that could absolutely not accomodate a DA agitator is the 1967-1973 18lb. large capacity machines. Their agitator shafts are several inches too long. The rest of the machines dimensionally can accomodate a DA. There are two basic versions if you skip the original ones I mentioned above. One version is for standard capacity machines, one is for large capacity. The only real difference with these two is the height of the auger, as the standard cap version has a shorter auger. But, all that said, whether or not the standard version can be installed in your machine depends on the agitator shaft. If your machine has its original, with the single groove keyway and the metal hex drive lug, then a DA cannot be installed without changing the gearcase altogether or by changing the agitator shaft. What is needed is the splined shaft. If your machine has received a newer gearcase transplant at some point, then you're in luck. Sears sold DA agitators in the catalog for years, and marketed the large cap version for 1974 and later washers, and the standard version for washers since 1968. They choose 1968 because that was the year that bakelite / driveblock agitators finally went away from all their offerings. The keyway was gone several years earlier, but I guess Sears didn't want to suggest to housewives that someone pull off (which isn't always easy) the factory plastic driveblock that was used on splined agitator shafts for those in-between years. Gordon | ||
| Post# 632807 , Reply# 8 10/19/2012 at 08:00 (4,198 days old) by 1966_mustang () | ||
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Can anyone find a deal somewhere in the Atlanta area?? Looking for Vintage BD WP or Vintage Maytag | ||
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Post# 632811 , Reply# 9 10/19/2012 at 08:12 (4,198 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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PAging Gordon | ||
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Post# 632894 , Reply# 10 10/19/2012 at 19:04 (4,198 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Dual Action Agitators All WP built washers whether BD or DD that had Dual Action agitators had some sort of agitator dogs, as Kevin said you can call them by several different names, but the term dogs is a good one.
The splined agitator shaft first appeared in all WP built BD washers sometime in 1964 when they changed over to the Heavy Duty transmissions and to 1/2 HP motors to replace the 1/3 HP motors that had always been used before.
As Gordon started to say but didn't know the exact year, you could use a DAA in any WP built washer back to 1964 and in any WP built washer including the first KM bolt down washers dating back to 1947, that would be really cool to lift off the lid of a BD KM and see a DAA turning over a large load of clothing. | ||
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Post# 632959 , Reply# 12 10/20/2012 at 01:05 (4,198 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Pet free DAs
John, you said "All WP built DAs had some sort of agitator dogs" after I stated that the initial versions didn't. I'll say again - the initial Dual Action agitators did not have some sort of 'dog'. The 1976, 1977, and early 1978 models had "ratchet" style DA agitators. There are no dogs, shoes, or even miniature socks in that agitator. Below is a link to the Sears parts schematic for a 1976 standard capacity 70-series DA model, with their online description of the parts.
All we see are the familiar agitator base and auger on one end, the traditional DA cap on the other, and some parts in between, with the spring I mentioned in the middle. There is also a couple seals, a retaining plate for the spring, and a one-piece clutch. There is nothing like the later shoe, or dog, or other synonym for a this sort of small moving part. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Kenmoreguy64's LINK | ||
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Post# 632960 , Reply# 13 10/20/2012 at 01:13 (4,198 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Here is another link, this time for a 1978 model with the longer standing, familiar agitator shoes/dogs. The first 1978 models used the old version, and I had to go the the dash-2 revisions to find this new design. Everything produced after this (the 1979 to 1986 production) had the shoes/dogs as well.
Based on that I'd say the first 2.5 years or so of DA production had the wickedly loud 'ratchet' taters. I had about three machines with these in them in the 1990s - each one got a replacement later version from my parts scavenging trips. I have a 1976 machine with the old version in it, as well as the three agitators that I removed - we'll have to do a photo essay on them sometime. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Kenmoreguy64's LINK | ||
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Post# 632962 , Reply# 14 10/20/2012 at 01:37 (4,198 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Mark / John,
I agree with you both - while it would be cool, and almost a clash of cultures to open a really vintage machine and see a DA in there, I think the vintage bakelite models are fine as they are. WP made something like four main bakelite agitators - the straight-vane (6 vane), the Surgilator, the standard Roto-Swirl, and the Super-Roto Swirl. Did I forget any? We should do a video study on which one works best? The 6-vane would win for splashiest. This is excluding the steroidal straight vane used in the Kenmore 518 and the gargantuan Surgilator in the first WP 18lb models. I've never really understood putting a DA in a standard capacity WP/KM anyway. Kenmore offered them in models each year from 1976 to 1979, but the auger had to be shortened for the lid to close, and much of that auger doesn't get submerged. I don't think this agitator addressed a need as much as the large capacity version did. There aren't very many around, and I am lucky to have a 1976 with the loud agitator, and a '79 as well. | ||
| Post# 632964 , Reply# 15 10/20/2012 at 01:57 (4,198 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Post# 632972 , Reply# 16 10/20/2012 at 05:55 (4,198 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Used to have one of those KN Bd DA agitator washers with the Ratchet action instead of the dogs-made a sound like a ratchet wrench as it worked.It did work well. | ||
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Post# 633004 , Reply# 18 10/20/2012 at 10:27 (4,197 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Andy -
The only WP/KM BD agitator that comes to mind having metal parts in it other than the original DA is the Vari-Flex, which also has a metal spring. The Double-Duty Surgilator to my knowledge doesn't have any metal parts either in-molded or added as an assembly, and it is a one-piece agitator like the rest. To be very knit-picky, most of the single piece agitators aren't truly one piece designs, as many had separately molded transparent snap-in rings underneath, inside near the base of the agitator. I have never been sure why these are there, but they seem to be anchored at and cover up molding injection points which are sometimes called sprues or gates in plastics molding. The Penta-Swirl, most later Roto-Swirls, and the Penta-Vanes have these, in fact the Penta-Swirls are notorious for gathering and suspending lots of lint from that snap ring, almost like a mini-clothes line. Just a tid-bit of trivia there... alr2903 - if I recall, our Moms had the same 1974 Kenmore? You are very correct, their capacity was amazing, and still is I think. Our standard dryer back then would really fill-up if we washed a big load. The Penta-Vane does not mess around, and creates lots of turbulence. Its not quite as refined as the Penta-Swirl perhaps, but it can handle big loads I think a little better. Gordon | ||
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Post# 633077 , Reply# 19 10/20/2012 at 15:59 (4,197 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Molded in plastic ring in { one piece agitators ] This ring is a bearing designed to rub against the outside of the porcelain basket tube, it reduces the strain on the agitator drive spline by absorbing some of the side force. GE FF washers have a removable lower agitator bearing that covers the three tub mounting bolts that does the same thing [ as do several other brands ].
I still thing it would be correct to call the little grabby things that are in all WP built DA agitators dogs or if you like cams, including the red plastic ones that you pictured earlier. | ||
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Post# 633096 , Reply# 20 10/20/2012 at 17:30 (4,197 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Direct drive KM? | ||
| Post# 633124 , Reply# 21 10/20/2012 at 21:59 (4,197 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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I would say that KM is indeed a direct drive. Not only that but I'm betting that its one of the first, making it a direct into spin or spin drain model. It looks like there is a clear plastic 'cover' on the timer dial to prevent turning the dial while its running. I think that was only done on the 'D-2000' models?
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| Post# 633184 , Reply# 22 10/21/2012 at 05:05 (4,197 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Gordon, Thank you, for remembering, our Mom's did indeed have the same 1974, Same layout as the later "black panel" machines, the 74's had brushed chrome. Always a pleasure to see your posts. alr | ||
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Post# 633191 , Reply# 23 10/21/2012 at 06:59 (4,196 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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24" DD Washer and HP Gas Dryer | ||
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