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Thread Number: 4334
TL or FL? The Answer In European washing-machine !!! |
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| Post# 99333 , Reply# 1 12/22/2005 at 04:28 (6,698 days old) by vivalalavatrice () | ||
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My first time here Hi everyone, I'm Diomede and the one above is my first post! I love washers and I look at your website everyday... I hope in many replies! BYE! | ||
Post# 99340 , Reply# 2 12/22/2005 at 06:24 (6,698 days old) by toggleswitch  (New York City, NY) |
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Long live the washer..great name.  | ||
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Post# 99368 , Reply# 3 12/22/2005 at 11:18 (6,697 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Hello Diomede, Welcome to the club. My name is Louis (some people call me Luigi) and I'm from the Netherlands. As far as I know the first frontloader was produced in 1954 by the German company Constructa. And already in 1950 there was an H-axis toploader on the market. That one was made by V-Zug, a Swiss company. Aside from the Staber there are indeed no H-axis toploaders on the American market. I wonder how long that will take. It would be wonderful if Miele or Bosch would sell one of their toploaders on the other side of the big pond. Enjoy the site! | ||
| Post# 99377 , Reply# 4 12/22/2005 at 14:02 (6,697 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent) | ||
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Is'n it Candy in stead of cady? Hello belgium is calling!! Welcome here!!! Yes you are right my dear. Constructa was the first with an automatic frontload washer. They were simulary with the Miele's. Well that would be a good idea. Miele or Bosch producing H-axis toploaders!! Hopefully they are comming soon! | ||
| Post# 99378 , Reply# 5 12/22/2005 at 14:03 (6,697 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent) | ||
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Is'n it Candy in stead of cady? Hello belgium is calling!! Welcome here!!! Yes you are right my dear. Constructa was the first with an automatic frontload washer. They were simulary with the Miele's. Well that would be a good idea. Miele or Bosch producing H-axis toploaders!! Hopefully they are comming soon! | ||
| Post# 99379 , Reply# 6 12/22/2005 at 14:05 (6,697 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent) | ||
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Oops two times posted. Well maybe it's because it's right!! | ||
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Post# 99382 , Reply# 7 12/22/2005 at 14:58 (6,697 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 99416 , Reply# 8 12/22/2005 at 17:44 (6,697 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 99474 , Reply# 10 12/22/2005 at 21:49 (6,697 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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downward spiral....
The cost of American F/L-ers should come down as: 1- The novelty wears off 2- The style (of washer) becomes the expected norm. 3- Fixed costs are spread over a larger number of units(sales/mfg. volume). 4- Kinks are worked out and perhaps parts (sizes /tolerances/gauges, etc) within a brand name are standardized/ perfected. 5- Sales of T/L-ers (dut to water use) is prhoibted by law. Right now, they are avaialbe to capture the consumers who requre a low price-point. F/L-ers eill eventaully have to be made avaialble to do that, as time progresses. 6- A new exterior size "standard" evoles into being. Then any machine can replace any other as is the case now with T/L-ers that are (generally speaking) all 27 x 27 inches. (63 x 63cm ) | ||
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Post# 99475 , Reply# 11 12/22/2005 at 21:50 (6,697 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 99661 , Reply# 13 12/24/2005 at 02:56 (6,696 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 99831 , Reply# 14 12/25/2005 at 12:13 (6,694 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Luigi wrote: "As far as I know the first frontloader was produced in 1954 by the German company Constructa. And already in 1950 there was an H-axis toploader on the market. That one was made by V-Zug, a Swiss company." As far as I know, the first residential front loader was produced by the US company Bendix in 1937. It was a solid mount machine but built to run on 110 volt circuits, and had a drain pump so it didn't need a gravity drain. I remember a later model Bendix, circa about 1947, running in our cellar in the 50's. It was a classy looking machine, with its clean Deco styling. I think Unimatic has an example in his private collection. It also washed quite well, as I recall. | ||
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Post# 99835 , Reply# 15 12/25/2005 at 13:25 (6,694 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 100927 , Reply# 17 12/31/2005 at 13:12 (6,688 days old) by kenmore1978 () | ||
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FL machines in US FL machines never COMPLETEY died in the US, though it it did get to the where there was only one manufacturer (White-Westinghouse) that made them | ||
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Post# 100932 , Reply# 18 12/31/2005 at 14:15 (6,688 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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TL with Heater Hi Spee_man We have TL machines with heaters up until the early 80's. However since then I dont think there are any left. It used to take about 2.5 hours to heat the water to 60degC and during that time the machine would just soak. | ||
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Post# 101136 , Reply# 22 1/1/2006 at 19:50 (6,687 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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TL Elements Hi MrX Most of the machines over here had 2400W elements (10Amps). Its always been unusual to get appliances requiring 15+amps. Our sockets are either rated at 10,15 or 20 amps. | ||
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Post# 101222 , Reply# 24 1/2/2006 at 08:42 (6,687 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Small correction
The first V-Zug was an H-axis toploader. And there were some automatic agitator washers, especially from the UK. They had Servis and Hotpoint machines. Neighbours of us had an agitator machine also, but I can't remember what kind of brand it was. I've seen a GE that looks a bit like it, but I'm not sure about it. Frontloaders probably got more popular because they heated their own water. We (actually my parents had one but replaced it by two tankless) didn't have the big tank water heaters like in the US. And frontloaders are definitely more efficient in heating their water than an agitator toploader. After the war things were pretty tight in most European households, so there was just no market for luxury things. But in the 60's Europe was catching up I think. | ||
| Post# 101272 , Reply# 25 1/2/2006 at 12:54 (6,686 days old) by spee_man () | ||
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No correction needed! I only summed up the first automatic FL washer in Europe! | ||
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Post# 101313 , Reply# 26 1/2/2006 at 15:22 (6,686 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 101322 , Reply# 27 1/2/2006 at 16:06 (6,686 days old) by spee_man () | ||
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I know, but over there in America, fl means an H- axis washer. | ||
| Post# 101345 , Reply# 28 1/2/2006 at 19:00 (6,686 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) | ||
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Actually, FL means Front Loader in America too. The Staber washer is referred to as an H-axis toploader :-). Jon | ||
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