Thread Number: 43377
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
You occasionally hear about those rare "barn finds" right? Well... guess what? |
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Post# 637866   11/9/2012 at 19:09 (4,182 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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The story goes.... 22 years ago the sellers bought this property, an old chicken ranch and this machine was already in the barn back then and who knows how many years before that. Recently they decided to start clearing all the stuff out of the barn because it's collapsing. But instead of throwing this machine in the scrap pile with everything else, they decided to pull it out, do a little research on the internet (and discovered how rare it is) and see if they could get anything for it. They had to cut a large hole in one of the barn walls just to this machine out because the door was no longer accessible.
So now I'd like to introduce you to... the teaser photo!
More later........ Kevin |
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Post# 637877 , Reply# 1   11/9/2012 at 19:35 (4,182 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 637883 , Reply# 2   11/9/2012 at 20:04 (4,182 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 637886 , Reply# 3   11/9/2012 at 20:23 (4,182 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 637889 , Reply# 4   11/9/2012 at 20:40 (4,182 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 637890 , Reply# 5   11/9/2012 at 20:40 (4,182 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 637899 , Reply# 6   11/9/2012 at 20:58 (4,182 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 637901 , Reply# 7   11/9/2012 at 21:00 (4,182 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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An Apex to me!! |
Post# 637904 , Reply# 8   11/9/2012 at 21:15 (4,182 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 637928 , Reply# 9   11/10/2012 at 00:30 (4,182 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 637929 , Reply# 10   11/10/2012 at 00:31 (4,182 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 637932 , Reply# 11   11/10/2012 at 00:44 (4,182 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 637938 , Reply# 12   11/10/2012 at 01:25 (4,182 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 637942 , Reply# 13   11/10/2012 at 02:55 (4,182 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 637968 , Reply# 14   11/10/2012 at 06:07 (4,181 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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That looks to be a water-powered clutch for shifting it into spin. Only one machine had that. |
Post# 637969 , Reply# 15   11/10/2012 at 06:10 (4,181 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 638009 , Reply# 16   11/10/2012 at 08:53 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638010 , Reply# 17   11/10/2012 at 08:58 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638011 , Reply# 18   11/10/2012 at 08:58 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638014 , Reply# 19   11/10/2012 at 09:01 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638015 , Reply# 20   11/10/2012 at 09:03 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638018 , Reply# 21   11/10/2012 at 09:15 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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As I mentioned, the seller did some research on the internet and they even found a video of one on Youtube. I asked him to describe the video and it turns out it was MY video of Roberts machine at the May, 2010 wash-in!
I was quite stunned when my friend David called me about it and KNEW I had to check it out as soon as I could!
Thank you so much David for letting me know about this Apex!!!
Kevin |
Post# 638019 , Reply# 22   11/10/2012 at 09:25 (4,181 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 638024 , Reply# 23   11/10/2012 at 09:34 (4,181 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 638029 , Reply# 24   11/10/2012 at 10:07 (4,181 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 638038 , Reply# 25   11/10/2012 at 11:40 (4,181 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 638044 , Reply# 26   11/10/2012 at 12:31 (4,181 days old) by d-jones (Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh Area))   |   | |
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Post# 638047 , Reply# 27   11/10/2012 at 12:38 (4,181 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 638067 , Reply# 28   11/10/2012 at 14:35 (4,181 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 638086 , Reply# 29   11/10/2012 at 15:50 (4,181 days old) by FEster (Lafayette La USA)   |   | |
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Nice! Congrats! FEster |
Post# 638091 , Reply# 30   11/10/2012 at 16:18 (4,181 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 638092 , Reply# 31   11/10/2012 at 16:18 (4,181 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 638094 , Reply# 32   11/10/2012 at 16:28 (4,181 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 638139 , Reply# 33   11/10/2012 at 20:22 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638140 , Reply# 34   11/10/2012 at 20:24 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638142 , Reply# 35   11/10/2012 at 20:30 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638143 , Reply# 36   11/10/2012 at 20:31 (4,181 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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All told, there was A LOT of crap in the outer tub! (and by the way, it's hard to tell in the photo, but that is not just a little dirt across the bottom of that box, it's an MIN 1 1/2 inch deep!)
Kevin This post was last edited 11/10/2012 at 21:09 |
Post# 638156 , Reply# 37   11/10/2012 at 23:01 (4,181 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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Perhaps mice in the machine? |
Post# 638184 , Reply# 38   11/11/2012 at 07:25 (4,180 days old) by in2itdood ()   |   | |
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Love it!!!! |
Post# 638198 , Reply# 39   11/11/2012 at 08:31 (4,180 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 638202 , Reply# 40   11/11/2012 at 08:54 (4,180 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 638296 , Reply# 41   11/11/2012 at 17:39 (4,180 days old) by WaterWitch (Pomona, Calif.)   |   | |
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Post# 638333 , Reply# 42   11/11/2012 at 19:00 (4,180 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638339 , Reply# 43   11/11/2012 at 19:09 (4,180 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638341 , Reply# 44   11/11/2012 at 19:11 (4,180 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638343 , Reply# 45   11/11/2012 at 19:14 (4,180 days old) by tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)   |   | |
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Post# 638370 , Reply# 46   11/11/2012 at 20:37 (4,180 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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That's a very nice find! Congrats Kevin!
I've been wondering since I've seen videos of Robert's machine, what's the capacity of these? The tub looks very shallow on pictures. Maybe it's an optical illusion... If you need to remove it, I'd really like if you could take a picture of it from the side before reassembly! |
Post# 638374 , Reply# 47   11/11/2012 at 20:59 (4,180 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 638377 , Reply# 48   11/11/2012 at 21:05 (4,180 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 638407 , Reply# 49   11/11/2012 at 22:15 (4,180 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638418 , Reply# 50   11/11/2012 at 22:54 (4,180 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))   |   | |
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Post# 638430 , Reply# 52   11/12/2012 at 01:00 (4,180 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Very nice Kevin. Robert if you see this, what load of items do you usually wash at one time. CR stated they are stingy with hot water. nice to see another one in the club. alr |
Post# 638436 , Reply# 53   11/12/2012 at 03:13 (4,180 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 638451 , Reply# 54   11/12/2012 at 07:04 (4,179 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 638458 , Reply# 55   11/12/2012 at 07:40 (4,179 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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A very rare find up to now, but this is a good omen for all of us. In Astronomy there is a rule of thumb - when you find one of something that means its rare in the 'Verse but when you find two of something well then that means there are many in the 'Verse. So this is a great and important find, now we all have to get looking.
Apex 6000 with jiggamatic action! It may still work. That towel was obviously jiggajumped out of the tub and that was maybe what kicked it out of the house. OR Maybe they bought a bigger capacity machine and that one went to the barn to wash Horse Blankets like the Control Tower! A California machine will have low rust through too!! |
Post# 638470 , Reply# 56   11/12/2012 at 09:25 (4,179 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 638474 , Reply# 57   11/12/2012 at 09:56 (4,179 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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(referencing the ad): .....or you can leave it in a barn, for a blue truck to rescue it decades later....
...so, the orange juicer basket(swirly) was so interesting to me, I found the attached ad , touting "spiral dasher" action. Then I found the video of this washer in action - everyone who either cares or don't care should watch this unique machine as it boths shakes and turns the clothes over so efficiently. Someone commented in that video that it would be hard on clothes, but during the 50's most people (like my dad) worked in factories or around cars, tool and die, etc. Just thinking - this looks like a winner to someone who needed to get their clothes clean. But, just curious - how well did the bolts and motor hold up with regular use and why so few found today(?) All I can think of is when looking at the video is "Rock N Roll" ! CLICK HERE TO GO TO ovrphil's LINK |
Post# 638496 , Reply# 58   11/12/2012 at 12:03 (4,179 days old) by d-jones (Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh Area))   |   | |
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Post# 638498 , Reply# 59   11/12/2012 at 12:17 (4,179 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 638499 , Reply# 60   11/12/2012 at 12:43 (4,179 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Yes that is my video from Robert & Fred's May 15, 2010 Wash-In.
Funny that the seller also found this video on Youtube and was surprised when I said I had recorded it.
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After David told me about this and after speaking to the seller, going to check out this washer was suddenly took the highest priority above everything else! An APEX was never on my wish list OR on my radar due to how rare they are. I never imagined one would show up, let alone show up anywhere near me! I think I am STILL in shock!
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Post# 638512 , Reply# 61   11/12/2012 at 13:41 (4,179 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 638513 , Reply# 62   11/12/2012 at 13:41 (4,179 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Hey Kev,
Sorry that I'm a bit late to the congratulatory party here, been very preoccupied with family stuff of late. Even when we were on the phone as you drove thru the traffic and the rain to look at this machine, I was stunned too that you'd possibly found the second Apex in the club. Prior to finding AW, I never even heard of such a machine. VERY cool find, and as others have said, how very excellent of the sellers to have had the foresight to offer it for sale vs. calling the metal scrappers. Now comes the fun part - getting it running! Gordon |
Post# 638530 , Reply# 63   11/12/2012 at 15:09 (4,179 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 638539 , Reply# 64   11/12/2012 at 15:29 (4,179 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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....you done good!!! :) |
Post# 638545 , Reply# 65   11/12/2012 at 15:40 (4,179 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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I just watched Robert's video of the Apex during dry agitation. Just amazing. I'm not in the know like you guys, but that is the first time I've seen an agitator that goes in one direction. |
Post# 638546 , Reply# 66   11/12/2012 at 15:46 (4,179 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Was that an Apex that went thru the rail when they were fighting over the machine? |
Post# 638554 , Reply# 67   11/12/2012 at 16:14 (4,179 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL)   |   | |
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Post# 638564 , Reply# 68   11/12/2012 at 16:41 (4,179 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Come to think of it, the Lucy/Ethel machine did not have any kind dash board. The control knobs were located on top of the machine. That was a great episode like so many of them were!! |
Post# 638566 , Reply# 69   11/12/2012 at 16:42 (4,179 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)   |   | |
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Oh, this is a wonderful find. I hope there are more barns out there!!!!! Always watch the estate sales too. |
Post# 638567 , Reply# 70   11/12/2012 at 16:46 (4,179 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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I too hope there are some barns out that might have a 40 inch range in one of the vintage colors... |
Post# 638589 , Reply# 71   11/12/2012 at 18:17 (4,179 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)   |   | |
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What a great find. Nothing like walking into a barn and seeing a time capsule just waiting for you to rescue it!! Enjoy it in good health :-) Can't wait to see your progress pictures. Rich |
Post# 638668 , Reply# 72   11/12/2012 at 23:03 (4,179 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 638693 , Reply# 73   11/13/2012 at 03:30 (4,179 days old) by badgerdx ()   |   | |
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CONGRATULATIONS! I doubt it could have been found by a more deserving person ~who didn't already have one ;-) |
Post# 638696 , Reply# 74   11/13/2012 at 05:11 (4,178 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 638733 , Reply# 75   11/13/2012 at 10:24 (4,178 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 638925 , Reply# 76   11/13/2012 at 23:11 (4,178 days old) by jaxsunst ()   |   | |
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It's the holy grail........Hearing coconuts. |
Post# 638935 , Reply# 77   11/13/2012 at 23:24 (4,178 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Kevin I have the parts list for this machine ready to go in the Ephemera library for tomorrow. I also have an Apex Wash-a-Matic service manual but it is for the earlier models from 1948-1951. The earlier models were more complicated but some of it is relevant so I will try and get that up for Thursday.
Have you tried to turn the belt? You could try out this machine by just making sure the belt turns and the pulleys are not frozen, then disconnect the two motor leads and attach a test cord to the motor. Obviously with the timer frozen it will need work before the machine can be plugged in. |
Post# 638946 , Reply# 78   11/14/2012 at 00:08 (4,178 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Thanks so much for the tips Robert! I'll check out Ephemera on Thursday, Thank You! Does the service manual have the wiring diagram in it? As you can see from the photo, the power cord goes nowhere and while I have not examined everything closely, it looks like some other wires (and all the hoses) may be frayed or chewed or...
I've been busy the last couple days and haven't had time to do anything with it yet this week, so no I haven't tried to turn the belt, but I will! The "stuff" in the drain pump came out with the vacuum. I was surprised to see an separate electric drain pump. Does this run the entire time the washer is on?
Kevin |
Post# 638979 , Reply# 79   11/14/2012 at 06:23 (4,177 days old) by westyslantfront ()   |   | |
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Hi Kevin,
Congratulations on finding an Apex. They are fun machines. I remember seeing coin op versions at 15 cents a wash when I was growing up.
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Post# 639006 , Reply# 80   11/14/2012 at 09:05 (4,177 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Kevin yes that service manual does have the wiring diagram and it should be applicable to your machine as well. It is a simply wiring system. If I get time today I will try and get that loaded for tomorrow's doctrine.
The motor runs continuously during the whole cycle and that electric pump should be in circuit with the motor so it too should run during the whole cycle. The components that get energized are: Motor Pump Hot water solenoid Cold water solenoid 2nd cold water solenoid to activate spin by filling the clutch with water and expanding the rubber bladder to push up the mechanism. Timer motor. One thing unusual about your machine is the built in electric pump. I have never seen any indication in any documentation I have that Apex used an electric pump. The first machine I had was equipment with the belt driven pump that is seen in the parts list that was posted on Automatic Ephemera today and the machine I have now is a gravity drain machine. |
Post# 639165 , Reply# 81   11/15/2012 at 02:58 (4,177 days old) by MIKEKLONDON (London)   |   | |
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This has to be one of the best wash actions ever, it looks like it must be very gentle on fabrics |
Post# 639174 , Reply# 83   11/15/2012 at 05:45 (4,176 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.)   |   | |
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Actually the whole wash tub is one piece molded out of fiberglass. For the wash action the entire tub wobbles and bounces, that is how these Apex made machines got to be known as the Bouncing Basket Apex models. In the video link below you can see very clearly what I am talking about when the machine goes from a spin into the rinse cycle.....PAT COFFEY CLICK HERE TO GO TO appliguy's LINK |
Post# 639241 , Reply# 84   11/15/2012 at 13:29 (4,176 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Robert, THANK YOU for the information above and putting the Apex docs up on the Doctrine. I've downloaded everything and I know it will be a HUGE help!
To answer Malcoms questions: 1) What is the length of the cycle in minutes? 27 1/2 minutes and a total of 24 1/2 gallons water.
Pat: Thank you for answering Mikelondon's questions and posting the video link!
Jackson: Hearing Coconuts??? This post was last edited 11/15/2012 at 16:07 |
Post# 639261 , Reply# 85   11/15/2012 at 15:38 (4,176 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I absolutely love this machine. Not only is the entire cycle filled with splashy drama, it just has a such of feeling of antiquity in everything it does. It is extremely solid and stable and has never ever walked one iota unlike some of my other machines. With a proper restoration it is also one of the quietest machines in my collection.
#1 CALLING A CLUB MEETING AT 10PM CENTRAL TIME
#2 AFTER 13 LONG YEARS THE SEARCH IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!
#3 My Basket is Bouncing once again
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Post# 639286 , Reply# 86   11/15/2012 at 19:04 (4,176 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 639339 , Reply# 87   11/16/2012 at 01:26 (4,176 days old) by MIKEKLONDON (London)   |   | |
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Many thank for all the info, I think current washing machine designers could learn a lot from relooking at this machine it was way ahead of its time |