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Thread Number: 43869
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Post# 644937 12/8/2012 at 08:00 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma  (Connecticut) |
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Post# 644938 , Reply# 1 12/8/2012 at 08:02 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I guess this machine is from 1993 which makes it a 20 year-old dishwasher. According to the seller he used it "a couple of times" but when I opened it up, it looks brand new: 
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Post# 644939 , Reply# 2 12/8/2012 at 08:03 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 644940 , Reply# 3 12/8/2012 at 08:05 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 644941 , Reply# 4 12/8/2012 at 08:06 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 644942 , Reply# 5 12/8/2012 at 08:08 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 644943 , Reply# 6 12/8/2012 at 08:10 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 644953 , Reply# 8 12/8/2012 at 08:46 (4,154 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KM Ultra-Wash 2 DW Great find Ken and I guarantee that you will love this DW or we will come and pick it up and refund your money LOL. The disposer in this DW is one of the most effective ever used in a DW, even foot long spaghetti noodles will disappear along with other odd slimy things that would be left lying in the bottom of MT, KA and GE dishwashers of this era.
We will await the pictures and results of the first Bob Loads. | ||
| Post# 644955 , Reply# 9 12/8/2012 at 08:48 (4,154 days old) by TwinTubber (Toronto) | ||
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Great Find..... and amazing how clean and in great shape that unit is. You will definitely enjoy this machine and boy, those machines really CLEAN the dishes!!! | ||
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Post# 644987 , Reply# 11 12/8/2012 at 10:42 (4,154 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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The KitchenAid domestic line was purchased from Hobart by Whirlpool at a lunch meeting with a handshake in 1986, as the legend goes.
Those small items baskets are one of the best - small enough to fit almost anywhere in the machine and shaped well. Does it still have the short divider in the center? I've not seen the blue trim on the panel - makes it look space-age for the new millennium! | ||
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Post# 645001 , Reply# 13 12/8/2012 at 11:19 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Well, I just ran her through her test run and she hit all the marks; I could hear the detergent dispenser slap itself open and, most importantly, there were no droplets of water visible on all the paper towels I put on the floor underneath it. The damage to the floor you see was months of water leaking through the tiny gasket around the detergent dispenser release tab on the Maytag and dripping down to the subflooring, beneath the tile. I only noticed the damage after the 55 year old vinyl-asbestos tiles began to bubble up and off. I couldn't identify the source until I took the door of the Maytag apart and followed the water damage trail to the detergent dispenser assembly. Somehow, the rubber gasket had started to deteriorate. Must have been something I ate.
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Post# 645004 , Reply# 14 12/8/2012 at 11:27 (4,154 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Anyway, now that she's proven herself I'm going to complete the installation, level her and screw the top tabs into the bottom of the counter and call it a day. Nice to have an automatic dishwasher back in service after a month of hand washing. Later on, I'm going to paint a couple of those auxilairy panels to match the cabinetry, go the to supermarket and buy us a half-pint of "Jet Dry" and she will be completely integrated. She is a little noisier than the Maytag, but it doesn't bother me and because there is no drain solenoid, it's just a motor reversal, she's a little quieter during the part that I find the most annoying. It's interesting to me how some dishwashers, like the old GE's kept the motor running pretty much non-stop during the fills and the active parts of the cycles. Then there were the machines like the Jet Cleans that only activated their motors for washing and draining. This one is like the GE's, but thankfully nowhere near as noisy.
Bob-load to come. I'll scan all the literature and send it to Robert for the Ephemera library if it's usable and not copy-written. I'm such a sucker for blue vinyl. 
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Post# 645007 , Reply# 15 12/8/2012 at 11:45 (4,154 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN) |
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That is a fantastic dishwasher! You will not be disappointed. I bought one of that design in 1997 and it's still going strong at my brother's house. I personally have one from 2002 without the center tower in the lower rack and it is also fantastic.
John, have you noticed any discernable difference in the cleaning ability between the ones that shot the water up into the upper rack spray arm through the tower and the later design that sent this water up a tube at th back of the tub? I certainly makes loading the lower rack easier! | ||
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Post# 645019 , Reply# 16 12/8/2012 at 12:44 (4,153 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I like the sub interval switch in the timer that starts it filling about 5 seconds before the motor starts for each wash or rinse period after the first one. | ||
| Post# 645039 , Reply# 17 12/8/2012 at 14:26 (4,153 days old) by mikepaquette () | ||
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What about the GE Mobile Maid Very nice machine BUT I am still stuck on your latest bowtie impeller Mobile Maid. Love the realy old dishwashers. Congrats.. Michael mikepaquette@hotmail.com | ||
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Post# 645065 , Reply# 18 12/8/2012 at 18:02 (4,153 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI) |
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Very Nice dishwasher | ||
| Post# 645071 , Reply# 19 12/8/2012 at 18:56 (4,153 days old) by barcoboy (Canada) | ||
I have a similar dishwasher to this, except it's an Inglis and has electronic controls. I restored it after it had been sitting in a barn for many years. Had to unseize the motor and eventually rebuild the pump, but it works pretty good now. The only complaint I have with it is the upper rack-I find it doesn't wash as good as it should, and it leaves particles of food on stuff, especially my cereal bowls. The lower rack cleans anything I throw at it, but the upper rack suffers the consequences. I've had some improvement by adding salt into the detergent dispensers with the detergent, which softens my very hard water, but I'm wondering the same thing that Kenmore71 is in that if more water would get to the upper rack if it weren't for the center tower distribution system. I do use rinse agent and my water is hot enough I think (even if I use the heated water cycles, it doesn't seem to make a difference).
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Post# 645079 , Reply# 20 12/8/2012 at 19:23 (4,153 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 645082 , Reply# 21 12/8/2012 at 19:26 (4,153 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Mike, the best of both worlds. I'm still looking for a proper unicouple for the GE. The hoses on the OEM unicouple were so brittle that the rubber was flaking off in big hunks and the connector was the old style that needed an old sink connector. This one may work, but the hoses are like 12 feet too long. It came off of an old Jet Clean Convertible.
I intend to use the Kenmore as my daily driver and the Mobile Maid as a utility/spare unit for washing tools and big stuff. The only complaint I have so far with the Kenmore is that the retaining clips for the upper rack are thin plastic and a bitch to remove and a bigger bitch to reinsert so I'm not planning on removing the upper rack for washing big pans, refrigerator shelves and the like. 
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Post# 645083 , Reply# 22 12/8/2012 at 19:30 (4,153 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KM Ultra-Wash 2 DW Glad you got it running Ken, Yay
Mark I have never noticed any difference between the direct feed for the upper arm and the center tower, if anything the center tower is better as it is actually more direct.
Barcoboy, Make sure that your DW is getting enough water each time it fills, you may have a bad inlet valve, you can test this by adding an extra gallon of hot water each time the DW fills through the cycle, if this solves the cleaning problem then check into a new inlet valve. PS adding salt will not help anything and may make the glasses look even worse. | ||
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Post# 645092 , Reply# 24 12/8/2012 at 19:53 (4,153 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 645121 , Reply# 26 12/8/2012 at 22:43 (4,153 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Ultra Wash! | ||
| Post# 645138 , Reply# 27 12/9/2012 at 00:02 (4,153 days old) by barcoboy (Canada) | ||
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Sorry, forgot to say that I changed the fill valve as part of the restoration, as the old one didn't look to be in very good shape and I didn't trust it. My water pressure is good and the dishwasher is getting I believe more than 2 gallons per fill as the water level is over the highest level of the pump cover (can be best seen in this thread, reply #4... water will fill over the 8 torx screws that hold down the pump cover).
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| Post# 645174 , Reply# 31 12/9/2012 at 08:36 (4,153 days old) by barcoboy (Canada) | ||
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Thanks Magic_Clean. I'll check the upper spray arm. It does turn freely when I turn it by hand, and I know it turns during the actual cycle, but maybe as you say it isn't turning as it should.
The model number of the dishwasher is an Inglis IHU98051, and the upper spray arm and tower is exactly the same as the one in this thread. The link below is from not long after I first acquired the dishwasher and was having problems with it slowly pumping out water during the wash cycle. Hey Twintubber, what are you doing in this thread? LOL. Maybe I should try washing/drying my dishes in my 0519. :-) Thanks for the vinegar tip-I do use vingear every once in a while, and I'm just finishing up my bottle of JetDry and then will fill my rinse agent dispenser with vinegar. CLICK HERE TO GO TO barcoboy's LINK | ||
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Post# 645178 , Reply# 32 12/9/2012 at 10:04 (4,153 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Happy to have a working dishwasher installed again.
Scott I had the same feeling about the silverware basket, but of course the more room that silver has, the cleaner it will get. What is a little ridiculous here is that there are three baskets with this machine, but of course you can easily remove them when you need to and one of the things I love about this machine is that basket that hangs off of the upper rack is perfect for chopsticks which I have a lot of. I always thought the silverware basket on the door was a clever idea, but it seems to me that the more surfaces the silverware basket has towards the spray(s) the cleaner the silverware is going to be. That's one reason I always thought that the TOL GE "Silver Shower" basket was idiotic.
I also liked the earlier Whirlpool DW upper racks that held glasses at a more extreme angle; one of my gripes is all the water that remains in the bottoms of glassware and cups. I've always said that the perfect dishwasher is two different dishwashers. 
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Post# 645202 , Reply# 34 12/9/2012 at 12:50 (4,152 days old) by syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, MD) |
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yea... ...this is one of my favorite machines too- I have the portable version in the front apt, & built in, the back apartment......WP built are the BEST!!! | ||
| Post# 645219 , Reply# 35 12/9/2012 at 14:40 (4,152 days old) by barcoboy (Canada) | ||
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Magic_Clean, the cone is intact, and the rubber seal is good. I'm thinking it was the kind of cereal bowls that I had-they were not smooth, which I think caused food particles to stick to them easier, and then the heat from the water would bake them on. Once I got rid of those bowls, I found the cleaning performance "increased", or so it seemed to me. The other thing is I'm used to my parent's Kitchenaid which spoiled me growing up with its ability to clean. Not sure of the model, but it was I believe bought sometime between 1989-1991, so I think it is a hybrid Hobart/Whirlpool. Between each wash or rinse, it would fill up partially and run a quick rinse, which I believe was to clean the filter, but it also made sure the water was hot for the next full fill. Speaking of which, that was one thing I remember of my aunt's early 80's Whirlpool dishwasher... it would start filling while the motor was still reversed for draining, and would do so for about 10 seconds before the motor stopped to reverse for wash. Why did they stop doing that? For water saving purposes?
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| Post# 645248 , Reply# 36 12/9/2012 at 17:14 (4,152 days old) by mikepaquette () | ||
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GE Mobile Maid If ever you choose to sell my DREAM machine. Please contact me. Michael | ||
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Post# 645288 , Reply# 39 12/9/2012 at 20:27 (4,152 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Ultra Long silver basket | ||
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Post# 645356 , Reply# 40 12/10/2012 at 07:20 (4,152 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Splitting the basket
Yeah, I may end up doing that.
I already find myself irked by the lack of space on the lower rack for really big items. Plus that basket that hangs from the top rack hangs a little too low to clear a lot of stuff beneath. What I liked about the Maytag was that even without an adjustable upper rack, it was designed asymmetrically so really big and tall stuff would fit on the left side of the bottom rack. This doesn't have that capability. I may decide to used the old Maytag silverware basket (of the two Waste King half-baskets) for this machine because you are right; that silverware basket is huge and takes up a hell of a lot of useful space. | ||
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Post# 645359 , Reply# 41 12/10/2012 at 07:32 (4,152 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Ken, how much does that upper rack move when you adjust it ? My guess is not much, but a little would help. My Mandarin teacher uses a red Solo cup with holes cut in the bottom, wedged in one of the cutlery basket spaces for chopsticks in her KM dishwasher. Looks a bit odd, but seems to work pretty well.
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Post# 645391 , Reply# 43 12/10/2012 at 11:10 (4,152 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I respectfully disagree, Tom. I think the placement of the silverware basket made it very effective in the Tags and the GE's. In that position, as compared with KitchenAid's and Whirlmores, the cutlery was hit with spray from many directions. I rarely had dirty silverware out of that machine. It was especially true with the reverse-rack Maytags (which I love, for the record) where they were hit with spray from many directions and from top and bottom.
I still think the Maytag WP-600 top loader is one of the best dishwashers ever made and I challenge anyone here to name a DW with a bigger and more versatile and useable capacity. It may be worth it for me to pay 200.00 for a new timer for that one since I've had very little luck in finding another one for parts donation or use. BTW, I just finished a load in the Kenmore and I'm happy to report that, as Consumer Reports would have said, those dishes are Mother F**king CLEAN. As reported, not a speck of errant food anywhere. And hot! | ||
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Post# 645406 , Reply# 44 12/10/2012 at 11:55 (4,152 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Now I KNOW I already love this dishwasher: | ||
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Post# 645408 , Reply# 45 12/10/2012 at 11:58 (4,152 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 645411 , Reply# 46 12/10/2012 at 12:03 (4,152 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I'm going to give this machine a Bob-Load trial for all the Mobile Maid fans out there just to prove how capacious this machine is and to see if this machine can handle dirty dishes without pre-rinsing. I did notice that after every drain period the machine injected some fresh water presumably to rinse out the tub before the next fill period. And isn't that Power Shower nifty. I have to report that this machine is noisy. Not "Potscrubber" noisy, but because the tub is the cabinet, there is absolutely no insulation or space to muffle the din of the motor and the powerful spray. Our built-in pull out was very quiet compared to this, but it sat in an installation shell with lots of air space plus panels of insulation around it.
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Post# 645428 , Reply# 47 12/10/2012 at 13:28 (4,151 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I forgot...
Greg,
You are right; the rack only adjusts about 1-inch on a side; kind of lame given how much space those mechanisms take up. It's amazing how many dishwashers, like the last Maytag, I've retrofitted with BOL upper racks. A lot of upper rack chazerei on so many brands does little more than eliminate utility. I always thought the BOL upper rack on the KitchenAid 16 & 17 series was larger/superior to the Imperial/Superba versions. I remember how pissed off I was when we bought our KDC-17a and realized when they added the energy-saver dry feature they had replaced that great squared-off BOL rack with just a dumbed-down version of the Superba rack. How many years have you been studying Chinese? It's very difficult and on my bucket list. Impressive. And smart given that we'll all be needing to speak it given the way US-China debt is growing. And you'll be able to keep us posted when Chinese start manufacturing state-of-the-art whitegoods. I'd wager THOSE machines will have chopstick holders. Panasonic models I saw in Japan 10 years ago had amazing rack additions for all sorts of Asian tableware. 
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Post# 645493 , Reply# 48 12/10/2012 at 18:12 (4,151 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Ken, I was not talking washability, but rather how it divided up the lower rack to hinder placement of large items, although I never had anything less than excellent results on flatware with the baskets at the rear of the tub. What's the think with inch worms on the bottom of it in the load with the filters? | ||
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Post# 645508 , Reply# 49 12/10/2012 at 19:23 (4,151 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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