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Post# 650643 , Reply# 1   1/2/2013 at 16:56 (4,128 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 650645 , Reply# 2   1/2/2013 at 16:57 (4,128 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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That's it, Homart! |
Post# 650646 , Reply# 3   1/2/2013 at 17:00 (4,128 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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My gas furnace is vented to the outside. When I have to replace the hot water heater I will see if it can be replaced with a gas unit. Should be able to vent it out with the furnace if code allows. |
Post# 650665 , Reply# 4   1/2/2013 at 18:33 (4,128 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Growing up, we had a Sears Homart FHA furnace and water heater. But if you really want to save money in the long run, the new tankless, on demand gas water heaters work great if you only have 1 hot water faucet open at a time. Gas models can vent right thru a basement or side wall and take up almost no space. I now have an oil fired boiler for heat and hot water that works on the same principal. But you cant shower and do a load in the dishwasher without one side going cold. And with wind chill values to be up to -35 tonight here, the boiler wont shut off.
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Post# 650715 , Reply# 5   1/3/2013 at 04:42 (4,128 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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Speaking of water heaters, does anyone recall seeing the type that was made to look like a washer or dryer? |
Post# 650717 , Reply# 6   1/3/2013 at 05:08 (4,128 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 650722 , Reply# 7   1/3/2013 at 05:36 (4,128 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Th post I deleted was a story about the Hotpoint appliances in my mother's parents house and I remembered I had already told it. Thanks. |
Post# 650723 , Reply# 8   1/3/2013 at 05:39 (4,128 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 650725 , Reply# 9   1/3/2013 at 05:59 (4,128 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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It was probably a Homart 600, that was the top of the line. |
Post# 650726 , Reply# 10   1/3/2013 at 06:22 (4,128 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ)   |   | |
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My house had a 'cabinet' electric hot water heater. It had the same look and size of a washer or dryer and the same height. It took forever to heat water. It was replaced with a standard vented gas hot water heater. When I updated the heating system to baseboard hot water I installed an indirect boiler. The mod/con heating boiler heats the hot water indirectly by circulation hot water to the remote tank. I have a Triangle Tube indirect tank. It is a tank in a tank. Boiler water circulates in the outer tank heating the water. I have not been able to run out of hot water with laundry, dishwasher and shower at the same time. Hot water heat is fantastic but if you want AC too, you have to install separate system. I did that by installing mini split AC. End result is 3 heating zones and 4 AC zones.
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Post# 650727 , Reply# 11   1/3/2013 at 06:30 (4,128 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 650747 , Reply# 14   1/3/2013 at 08:57 (4,128 days old) by franksdad (Greenville, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 650754 , Reply# 15   1/3/2013 at 09:49 (4,128 days old) by fido ()   |   | |
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Yes, I've sometimes wondered why people call them hot water heaters but then again, why do we in UK call a similar device a boiler when it it meant to operate at temperatures somewhat below boiling point? |
Post# 650755 , Reply# 16   1/3/2013 at 09:57 (4,128 days old) by nurdlinger (Tucson AZ)   |   | |
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We got it sometime in the mid-50s. Before that we had a manually-controlled heater, which I do not believe I have ever seen discussed here. It was a non-insulated cylindrical metal tank, with a smaller cylinder grafted on the side which held a coil of tubing and a burner below it. It was like one burner from a gas stove, with the same quarter-turn porcelain-handle valve you found on old stoves. When you needed hot water you lit the burner with a match. I don't remember the details of how the coil of tubing was plumbed into the system, but there was also a loop of bigger pipe (maybe 1-1/4") that passed through the firebox of the adjacent coal furnace to snatch additional heating when there was a fire there.
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Post# 650764 , Reply# 17   1/3/2013 at 10:47 (4,128 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Post# 650765 , Reply# 18   1/3/2013 at 10:48 (4,128 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Post# 650766 , Reply# 19   1/3/2013 at 10:49 (4,128 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Post# 650767 , Reply# 20   1/3/2013 at 10:50 (4,128 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Post# 650768 , Reply# 21   1/3/2013 at 10:53 (4,128 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Retired after 52 Years of use. Nothing wrong with it. Gas company said it was way too old and red tagged it. |
Post# 650785 , Reply# 23   1/3/2013 at 13:17 (4,128 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Boy I'm glad you showed more photos of the HOMART. On seeing that first one with the insulation all fluffed out, I thought there had been a rupture or some spectacular failure. |
Post# 650793 , Reply# 25   1/3/2013 at 14:11 (4,127 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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...true, the "hot" is redundant, but it's really only an error if the person reading or hearing it doesn't understand, "frigerator," "rot iron furniture," "chester drawers"...you still know what they mean.
As a former Plumbing buyer for a huge hardware chain here in California of which water heaters were a major contributor, I'd say if that little Homart lasted 52 years you certainly got your money's worth and then some. It must have been drinking mineral and sediment-free water for most of it's life. As a kid we would "vacation" at a remote cabin in Northern California that belonged to a friend of my Dad who would go hunting while we were there. When I say "remote" I mean it, no electricity and no generator, just propane for the stove and the Servel. You had to park hundreds of feet away on a dirt road and walk to the cabin (I guess vacation wasn't the right word to use.) The water supply was gravity-fed from a tank kept filled by a spring. The water heater was on the outside and looked like the boiler on a ship. You built a fire in the front, closed the door and eventually you could do the dishes or take a shower. My Mom would let me fire the heater up which was about the only "fun" thing to do at this mountain prison and since I was a junior pyromaniac I'd have that thing going like a blast furnace. It would make this loud clacking noise and my Mom always feared it was going to blow up. You could cook pasta with the water coming out of the kitchen faucet...mucho caliente'. |
Post# 650799 , Reply# 27   1/3/2013 at 15:44 (4,127 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Legally they can tell you to retire something because it is Too Old!! I would have to get a lawyer over that one!! oh yeah, I hate to tell you, but I have never heard anything BUT HOT WATER HEATER!!!LOL |
Post# 650824 , Reply# 28   1/3/2013 at 17:19 (4,127 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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You got me! And correct you are. It's not a HOT water heater. Just a water heater. LOLLLL. That's too funny! |
Post# 650831 , Reply# 30   1/3/2013 at 17:44 (4,127 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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hose pipe for the garden hose! |
Post# 650832 , Reply# 31   1/3/2013 at 17:50 (4,127 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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What was the rumble rumble in the water heater when someone started running hot water at the kitchen sink? |
Post# 650841 , Reply# 32   1/3/2013 at 19:25 (4,127 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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I have experienced all the different types of water heaters mentioned, from the gas burner to heat a coil to a coil heating water in a woodstove with a seperate tank and never hot water in the warm weather. They all work but we are always looking for the easiest and most cost efficient way to go. 18 years ago I redid my house with a tankless hot water boiler run by #2 oil when it was CHEAP but my oil cost has gone from.60/gallon to nearly 4 bucks a gallon. Since then I have got my BPI Energy Auditors certification and wished I knew then what I know now and had the cash to change things. Everyone has to access their own hot water needs, like more people, more bathrooms, more washers that use HOT water and the energy costs in their area. There are many options and everyone has to access their individual needs for where they live and look at all their options, but around here, an electric water heater will drain your wallet.
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Post# 650848 , Reply# 33   1/3/2013 at 20:08 (4,127 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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The term "hot water heater" was used by car makers in the Thirties because there were other gimcrack devices that used heat off the exhaust manifolds as well as the Stewart-Warner "South Wind" heater that burned gasoline to provide instant heat. So the term may have gotten into circulation back then.
Warm Morning was a very big stove and furnace maker. I remember my high school auditorium had a metal door over the coal chute that said Warm Morning. |
Post# 650882 , Reply# 36   1/4/2013 at 03:41 (4,127 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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And for those long lasting water heaters what kind and how often did you perform maintenance on them? |
Post# 650886 , Reply# 38   1/4/2013 at 05:20 (4,127 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Remember that older water heaters were lined with copper back then. Even with little to no maintenance (yearly draining) and poor water quality conditions, they would last a good 20 years. Most water heaters today are all glass lined and don't stand up to the test of time as well as the old copper lined ones.
Anybody know when manufacturers began lining water heaters with glass and phased out copper? I'm guessing it was around the 70's. |
Post# 650905 , Reply# 41   1/4/2013 at 08:41 (4,127 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 650910 , Reply# 43   1/4/2013 at 08:55 (4,127 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Ruud - Monel Duo Temp Laundry Master |
Post# 650911 , Reply# 44   1/4/2013 at 08:56 (4,127 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Here is a Ruud - Monel Duo Temp Laundry Master still in use. What a beautiful beast.... |
Post# 651015 , Reply# 47   1/4/2013 at 16:41 (4,126 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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My parents had a Rheem glass-lined water heater installed shortly after we moved into the house in late Summer 1957. The original water heater was a loop in the oil-fired boiler for the baseboard heat. There was a storage tank above the boiler. |
Post# 651173 , Reply# 50   1/5/2013 at 08:36 (4,126 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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...new furnace is not as toasty as the new one. |
Post# 651216 , Reply# 51   1/5/2013 at 12:49 (4,126 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 651221 , Reply# 52   1/5/2013 at 13:15 (4,126 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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LOLLL! |
Post# 651226 , Reply# 53   1/5/2013 at 14:04 (4,126 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ)   |   | |
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Retromania
Don't know if this is the one you mean but here is the link to more info and a picture. When I was quite young we had a coal cook stove that heated the kitchen and also supplied hot water. That was replaced with a kerosene stove (vented) and a John Wood water heater. That water heater lasted over 50 years. We had a Magic Chef gas stove for cooking along with the coal stove. It was not fun in the summer. IIRC the coal cook stove was eliminated somewhere about 1947. Harry CLICK HERE TO GO TO kimball455's LINK |
Post# 651326 , Reply# 55   1/5/2013 at 19:54 (4,125 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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A used Day & Night water heater for $110.00. "slow93" does not begin to do the seller justice. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Tomturbomatic's LINK on eBay |
Post# 651349 , Reply# 56   1/5/2013 at 21:28 (4,125 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)   |   | |
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How did that work? Did it have two separate tanks? |
Post# 651350 , Reply# 57   1/5/2013 at 21:28 (4,125 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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I think what She had was known in the South as a Hot Water Jack, it was a small wood or coal burning stove, with a hollow dome type top, water came in the back at the side and as it was heated rose by gravity out the top and into a storage tank. |
Post# 651354 , Reply# 58   1/5/2013 at 21:34 (4,125 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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had a mixing or tempering valve to reduce the temp for the hot water for the bathrooms. |
Post# 651358 , Reply# 59   1/5/2013 at 21:41 (4,125 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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In the old days, Hotpoints had elements that were NOT immersion units, they were bands that went AROUND the tank, not quite as fast, but LONG LASTING!! |
Post# 651396 , Reply# 60   1/6/2013 at 10:21 (4,125 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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GE shared those elements with Hotpoint, small wonder. I can't help but imagine that they were not as efficient as the immersion type. |
Post# 651408 , Reply# 61   1/6/2013 at 13:03 (4,125 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 651409 , Reply# 62   1/6/2013 at 13:08 (4,125 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Is that cool or what. You win! :)
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Post# 651411 , Reply# 63   1/6/2013 at 13:11 (4,125 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 651421 , Reply# 65   1/6/2013 at 14:29 (4,124 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)   |   | |
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There were two names associated with this style: cabinet style or GE used "Table Top". |
Post# 651439 , Reply# 66   1/6/2013 at 17:11 (4,124 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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I'm confused. What's the difference between direct vent and or requiring a flue? Do you mean PVC vs metal? |
Post# 651483 , Reply# 71   1/6/2013 at 20:12 (4,124 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Thanks for the clarification. I have seen the vent plus an intake and didn't know what the intake was until you explained it. |
Post# 652209 , Reply# 73   1/10/2013 at 08:47 (4,121 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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The woman who does our taxes has a brown natural gas Warm Morning heater in the basement where her office is, and that little thing really makes that entire area nice & toasty warm. It's about 25y/o and has a standing pilot light. Before that she had a wood space heater, but it was a pain to use, and by the time you were ready to go back upstairs is when it would start to get warm down there. |
Post# 652534 , Reply# 75   1/11/2013 at 22:29 (4,119 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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They are called hot water heaters to distinguish them from the warm water heaters and the tepid water heaters, which don't sell very well to begin with.
Realistically, everyone knows what you mean if you say "hot water heater", instead of "water heater". I think there's a natural tendency to add the "hot" to "water heater" because hot water indeed is the desired end result. As in, you turn on the hot water faucet and nothing but ice cold water comes out. The problem? The gizmo at the other end of the hot water pipe isn't heating properly. You want what comes out of the hot water faucet to be heated. Hence, hot water heater. |
Post# 652537 , Reply# 76   1/11/2013 at 22:46 (4,119 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I have read about these, but am puzzled as to how one hooks up the pipe. I understand that the furnace is so efficient that the exhaust is cool enough not to melt the PVC. But literature I've read indicates that in various jurisdictions, the exhaust condensate is acidic enough that it's not legal to discharge it on the ground, but rather it must be sent down a drain. Where I suppose it could eat through the drain pipe (by law they have to be cast iron or copper here).
In my house this could present a challenge. While the current gas furnace is in the crawl space, and it vents through a six inch diameter ceramic type of chimney tube to the roof, there are no nearby drains to accept said exhaust condensate were I to upgrade the furnace to a high efficiency one. There would be a convenient run to the nearest foundation vent if dribbling the condensate on the ground (in this case, onto the concrete courtyard/driveway adjacent to the home). I'd be a little worried about staining the concrete and more worried at the acid eating through the concrete. Is this a legitimate worry? Are people directing the condensate pipe for their HE furnaces onto the ground (or concrete) without problems? |
Post# 652599 , Reply# 77   1/12/2013 at 08:06 (4,119 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Our new Carrier high efficiency, and our previous Lennox Pulse gas furnaces both have/had a reservior attached to the outside of them to where the condensate collects. When the reservior is full the float inside trips a small pump, and it is pumped overhead through tubing that is fastened to the floor joists, and it comes down, and drains into the basement sink. I save the water, and use it for watering houseplants, and in our steam iron. I've not had any problems with it being too acidic, because it is just condensation. I usually get a 6qt pail of water every day and a half, even more when the central a/c is in use. |
Post# 653030 , Reply# 79   1/13/2013 at 13:15 (4,118 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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What the rumble rumble may have been in the gas water heater at my aunt's house when she turned on the hot tap at the kitchen sink? |
Post# 653090 , Reply# 81   1/13/2013 at 15:34 (4,117 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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We don't have hard water here where I live, but there are trace mineral deposits which may be the culprit. No. I doubt my aunt and uncle ever bled any water off. Thanks again! |
Post# 653208 , Reply# 82   1/14/2013 at 01:29 (4,117 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I get the same rumble occasionally on the 30 year old Monkey Ward hot water heater here. I've replaced the anode rod twice (last time it had a lot of fine fluffy white crud on it) and flush the tank every few years. It's also relatively soft water here. I have a remote inspection camera now so the next time I pull the anode rod I'll use it to inspect the inside of the tank.
Just in case I have a spare water heater (lightly used) that I could replace the Monkey Ward with. But the Ward seems just fine. Thanks for the advice on the condensing furnace drain. I agree that the acid is most likely carbonic acid. The nearest stand pipe is in the laundry closet on the main house level (it's one story above a crawl, the furnace is in the crawl), but the drain line for the washer is copper, which runs for about 10 feet under the house to a cast iron line, so not sure I'd want acidic water dripping into it all the time. |
Post# 653403 , Reply# 84   1/14/2013 at 20:18 (4,116 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Unfortunately the standpipe for the washer is recessed into the wall behind the washer, and not accessible unless the washer is pulled out of the laundry closet.
Well, the current (aged) furnace works well enough. Seems to be in pretty good shape; no CO detected in the home, either. Which is good since the furnace is about 33 years old now. And it's come in handy during our most recent cold snap (frosty windshields in the mornings). |