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Post# 652798   1/12/2013 at 21:28 (4,093 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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this is one of my blunders I guess

I need to see if there is a substitute part for the knob on my portable washers

Also I found out something quirky on them

They are identical that I can see

BUT and this is the kicker

they have different model numbers on their back plates

one says 110.74491100

and one says 110.74490100

I read Gordon's thread that numbers can change if they mad a part change in the model






Post# 653099 , Reply# 1   1/13/2013 at 16:07 (4,092 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
LKM Portable Washer Knob

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Witch knob do you need.


Post# 653518 , Reply# 2   1/15/2013 at 13:53 (4,090 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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I need the outer knob that screws on tho the timer shaft

 

times 2 as the other knob is cracked as well


Post# 653524 , Reply# 3   1/15/2013 at 15:10 (4,090 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Interesting about the model numbers

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Those two models numbers:

Here's one of my big ole posts ---

110.74490100 and
110.74491100

These are whole different model numbers, and should point to different models with different features lists, thus there should be something noticeably different between the machines. Note I say "should be".

I pulled the schematics of both models up on Sears' website and I didn't see anything that stands out as very different, but this is not the first time I've come across that, and I don't look at portable models very often. These are 1974 models, and ironically the same thing happened on another pair of 1974 models that I still haven't figured out.

The minor engineering changes that I was referring to in previous posts are changes that the consumers can't see or use, but change the part numbers used in the final assembly of the machine. A change the second to the last digit to the right is made, thus your models could be 110.74490100 and 74490120, for example. BUT, the change in the digit between the 9 and the 1 means one machine is higher in the line than the other.

Some more information --- the stock numbers for these machines is derived from the model number. The 74490100 should be stock number 44901, and the other is 44911. Sears used and still uses these stock numbers to differentiate one machine from another in their stock management system. So, to them, there must have been something different with these and a reason to keep them separate. Sometimes the diferences are miniscule, and may remain a mystery without decoding both machine's schematics to the nth degree...

Does one of your machines have a plastic lid and the other metal, or is one painted and the other porcelain? Perhaps there was some sort of difference in the drain/fill hose, or different casters, or something like that. Do they filter lint differently? Did one come with a softener dispenser and the other not? Those are ideas...

Let me give you an example of how tiny some differences have been between one distinct Kenmore model and another:

In 1983, the last consumer line of belt-drives for Kenmore, had four seventy series washers:

110.82370100, 82371100, 82372100, and 82374100.

The 23701 was the basic 70 series - five cycles, three levels, three temps, off balance relay, SC filter, and DA agitator. No dispensers. One of Sears best sellers.

The 23711 was the same machine, but added a Pre-Soak cycle. Under the console it was identical. Not a big seller for some reason. It did have a softener dispenser.

The 23721 was their best seller in the 1980s. This took the 23711 and added auto temp control and a bleach dispenser.

The 23741 was identical the 23721 but added two more water levels, now five. No other differences. This is not a common model either. The mfg cost to this model should be the same as the 23721, but Sears charged $10 to $20 more for it.

The difference of just one water level, the addition or deletion of a OOB relay, inclusion or not of dispensers, painted or porcelain trim, and other things, all allowed Sears to create different models, which they then could add to the marketing mix and ensure that they always had a model from any series on sale at most any given time.

One more little bit about model numbers - the engineering change digit, or the second to the last digit on the right (1974 models and newer) as I said change minor things that have different part numbers, but don't affect consumer use. The entry level 1983 70 series belt-drive had plastic lid hinges, and was model 110.82370100. A change to the timer part number yielded 110.82370110 sometime in 1984. None of us would notice this. Then, when the old 1950s metal hinges were re-introduced in 1985 to replace the plastic lid hinges this model stared with (a 1980s experiement on lower end models), it became 82370120. These are changes that don't affect a features list, or things a buyer would notice.

So, somewhere between those two portables, is some little feature that makes one different than the other. Oddly, with these two machines, Sears re-drew the whole cabinet and control panel drawing on the 44911, so they set that model up for a purpose and didn't necessarily copy it verbatin from the 44901.

One day the difference will come to you!

Gordon


Post# 653945 , Reply# 4   1/17/2013 at 15:03 (4,088 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan)        

take a picture of the inside please!
Thanks- Daniel


Post# 654037 , Reply# 5   1/17/2013 at 20:01 (4,088 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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Oh the knob has a part number on the underside


356464

I'll have to get my camera working it is one of the gazillion things around here that went kablooey


Post# 654255 , Reply# 6   1/18/2013 at 17:56 (4,087 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan)        

Oh Hahaha Okay then. I just want to see what the wash arms and well the whole inside!

Post# 654422 , Reply# 7   1/19/2013 at 07:58 (4,086 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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thanks for the info everybody


I'll use them the way they are right now if they break down I'll probably scrap them since it is going to be hard to get parts for them in the future





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