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Post# 655198 , Reply# 1 1/22/2013 at 17:59 (4,110 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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SQ Front Loaders
Are IMHO an aquired taste. *LOL*
Those that have them installed on firm flooring and know *how* to use them and aren't looking for a washer with twenty thousands cycles that speaks ten languages on balance are happy. OTOH others may not be so much. What you get with a SQ front loader isn't that much different than what is on offer from it's laundromat or otherwise commercial machines. A unit that is built rock solid designed to process a decent amount of laundry quickly and often. It will do this day in and day out for years with perhaps only minor problems if properly cared for and maintained. | ||
| Post# 655256 , Reply# 5 1/23/2013 at 00:49 (4,110 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Miele | ||
| Post# 655262 , Reply# 6 1/23/2013 at 02:03 (4,110 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
Interestingly, | ||
| Post# 655264 , Reply# 7 1/23/2013 at 02:29 (4,110 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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Post# 655271 , Reply# 8 1/23/2013 at 04:34 (4,110 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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CR tests washers using the default Normal cycle. No options for soil level or water temperature are used, nor would they alter the manufacturer's maximum water level. The score for cleaning ability is given the most weight toward the total. I'd bet the farm that this is the reason the SQ scores relatively poorly in that department: The default Normal cycle cleans the 8-lb. test load well, but is not long enough to do the same with their heavily-soiled "maximum capacity" load.
You will recall that the new Frigidaire line suffered a similar fate until recently, when the Normal cycle was lengthened from roughly 45 minutes to 80. It now scores near the top of the pack. It was cleaning the 8-lb. load like a champ, but the 18-minute wash of the 45-minute cycle was not long enough to clean the very large maximum capacity load. Cycle time lengthened; problem solved. If you tend to wash average-size loads, the SQ will most likely produce excellent results. CR does not score a machine for its bells-and-whistles cycles/features. In fact, they state flat-out that many advertised additional features/cycles aren't worth the extra cost. They also do not score for build-quality. Instead, there is a reliability chart with information gathered from polling CR's hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Unfortunately, there is not enough reliable data for CR to place Speed Queen on that chart. This will probably change as SQ gains a better foothold in the mass market. This post was last edited 01/23/2013 at 08:21 | ||
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Post# 655274 , Reply# 9 1/23/2013 at 05:07 (4,110 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 655294 , Reply# 11 1/23/2013 at 07:44 (4,110 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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The current ratings from Consumer Reports have the two Miele models they tested well into the top half of the list. Models W4842 ($1900) and W4802 ($1750) received scores of 80, putting them in the Excellent category. (For reference: The top-scoring models, by Samsung and LG, received an 89; the lowest, a GE, received a 51).
Don't know much about Mieles. Are these two models the discontinued large models, or are they Euro-sized? | ||
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Post# 655308 , Reply# 12 1/23/2013 at 09:16 (4,110 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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I don't put much stock into what CR has to say. First of all the bascily was a clean load with stained "squares" of cloth stained with various soils to see how they cleaned. This would not be a proper representation of soil.
As far as rinsing in a frontloader, (and having had a Kenmore Elite HE3) I never really had an issue with it what so ever. Of course everyones experience is different. I did find that the 1st rinse was long and ever understood that. Since water in a frontloader is kept with the clothes and moving through the clothes, it truly doesn't need a long time of tumbling to get the job done. Being here in this house with a Whirlpool Cabrio, I'd take a frontloader any day over this machine. I have found that my clothes are not lasting as along and with each load, something always comes out with new little holes in it.
But, my true reason for not trusting CR any longer is the fact that back in the mid "80s as I recall, An issue came out praising the GE line of washers. The very next issue they down-graded the GE line for have (in their words) "an antiquated filtering system with a pan type filter that sits on top of the agitator thus blocking access to the tub for clothes removeal and loading"
They did the same thing with the whirlpool dishwasher for having the silverware basket on the door. One issue it was fine and scored well, then next time, not so much. As with any machine it depends on the user and what they like and don't like. | ||
| Post# 655320 , Reply# 13 1/23/2013 at 10:01 (4,109 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Flip-Flop | ||
| Post# 655321 , Reply# 14 1/23/2013 at 10:07 (4,109 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Boosted Hot and Rinse I do miss the Boosted Hot option which I feel was the best executed version out there. Pause the cycle, heat the water, then resume count down. Everyone else counts down the wash time while heating and if you make your target, great, if not, touch stuff.
I would also like to see some additional programming options added to the SQFL. Perhaps a bank of dip switches inside the console. Got someone in the house that is sensitive to detergent, flip dip switch 2 on to enable 2 more rinses. Need more, flip switch 3 to add another 2 more.
Wouldn't it be great to sit down with their design engineers and get some of this stuff in the works!
Malcolm | ||
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Post# 655434 , Reply# 15 1/23/2013 at 19:57 (4,109 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Pause Cycle Time Whist Heating
Methinks many do not do this today because of the puny amount of water used for washing. That coupled with low wattage 120v heaters (usually 1K watts or less) means it could take ages to heat tap cold water to hot much less warm. All the while one's wash is being slapped about which could lead to increased wear and tear.
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Post# 655451 , Reply# 16 1/23/2013 at 21:05 (4,109 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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My washer tumbles while heating the water, and here's why I like that: It provides a true "profile" wash. The gradual heating while agitation continues means protein stains are removed in warm water, fruit and vegetable stains at 125-140 degrees, and grease is tackled at 145-155 degrees.
Yes, the load tumbles for 70 minutes during the wash portion of the Sanitize cycle in the Frigidaire, but I've experienced no undue wear/tear on fabrics after two-and-a-half years of washing kitchen and personal whites that way---with chlorine bleach added to the first rinse for good measure (and old habits). Having said that, I absolutely agree that the Speed Queen should restore the internal heater. It's not a feature you'll use on every load, but it's sure nice to have when you need it / want it. | ||
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Post# 655454 , Reply# 17 1/23/2013 at 21:13 (4,109 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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SQ Goes Back And Forth With Internal Water Heaters | ||
| Post# 655458 , Reply# 18 1/23/2013 at 21:28 (4,109 days old) by washer111 () | ||
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And Soon: (If someone here gets a petition going): They will once more! | ||
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