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Thread Number: 44811
Need a part for my KD-2P |
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| Post# 657557 2/1/2013 at 22:34 (4,098 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. ) | ||
I am hoping someone out there can help. I picked up a KD-2P portable dishwasher last summer (well, I had it shipped to me site unseen). The seller said "it worked the last time it was used". I plugged it in the day I got it, and water poured all over the floor as soon as it started to fill.
I finally got around to taking the panel off to see what was going on. Here's the skinny of it. Some a***ole took off the drain valve assembly. It is gone - completely missing. They left the hose, but that's it. Does anyone have a drain valve assembly for one of these kitchenaids that they would be willing to part with? Or, does anyone know where I could score one? Thanks! | ||
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| Post# 657562 , Reply# 2 2/2/2013 at 00:09 (4,098 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. ) | ||
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Thanks Steve
I downloaded the service manual from automatic ephemera (thanks again Robert for that incredible site!). I did see the part in the service manual, but I didn't see any reference for a drain tank. It looks like it is pretty much the same cast-iron drain assembly that I have on my 14 series imperial. I am assuming the mechanism works something like this:
There is a drain pump on the bottom of the motor. There is a hose (which was left loose in the bottom of the machine) which I am assuming runs from the drain valve assembly to the drain pump. I am also assuming that the drain pump runs continuously with the motor. So, when it the drain solenoid kicks in it just lets all the water from the sump go right down to the drain pump. If I don't hear anything from anyone on this site I'll try Hobart. Thanks for the suggestion! | ||
| Post# 657580 , Reply# 3 2/2/2013 at 05:37 (4,097 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Ohhhhhhhhhhh Jeeeeeeeeeezus !!!!
Good Luck.
If your Trap is missing, you're going to have a handfull if not a unusable machine. But Steve just told you. Get your money back if you can and pursue another. The Bakelite Trap is the hardest part to find. Thanks to Steve's coaching, it took me about a week of soaking it with oil and WD 40 to ever so gently remove it from the Old Valve. Steve had told me "If you break that trap, your screwed". Or pretty much that's the jist of what he said. I'm attaching a pic from when I documented the repair. The Black "Pot" looking thing. Do you have this ? 
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| Post# 657581 , Reply# 4 2/2/2013 at 05:39 (4,097 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Another Pic | ||
Post# 657596 , Reply# 5 2/2/2013 at 08:49 (4,097 days old) by Jetcone  (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Why is that trap so  | ||
| Post# 657622 , Reply# 6 2/2/2013 at 11:17 (4,097 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. ) | ||
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Definitely do not have the trap
Thanks for all the info. Looking at your picture I can't tell - is the trap under the pump / motor, or in front of it? I definitely don't have room for anything to fit under the pump so I am assuming it sits in front of it.
I am with Jetcone though - I don't understand the purpose of that trap. I would think I could just connect the drain straight to the pump. | ||
| Post# 657638 , Reply# 7 2/2/2013 at 12:46 (4,097 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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You need the trap because...
When the solenoid is de energized, the valve drops open like all Early KAs that were meant to be Gravity Drain.
The KitchenAids of this time were designed as a Home Version of their Commercial Unit the UM-4 So... The valve opens and the water dumps into the trap. So the trap is off set from the pump. The pump is driven by the shaft on the end of the motor. Here's a schematic that Ben sent me around 4-5 years ago when I replaced the Drain Valve on my KD2-P. Part # 18 is the pump impeller shaft which is driven by the Wash Motor. 
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| Post# 657639 , Reply# 8 2/2/2013 at 12:49 (4,097 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Now... | ||
| Post# 657640 , Reply# 9 2/2/2013 at 12:54 (4,097 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Here you can see,,, | ||
| Post# 657641 , Reply# 10 2/2/2013 at 12:56 (4,097 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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| Post# 657663 , Reply# 11 2/2/2013 at 15:37 (4,097 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. ) | ||
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Wow!
Thanks guys for all the info. That really helps my understanding a lot. My top load unit is different than what is shown in the picture though. I don't have an overflow in the tank (like in my gravity drain KD-10 and KD-14). That drawing also refernces a fill sensor. I also don't have the fill control switch. The tube that leads up to the fill control switch in the above drawing connects to a metal tube that runs up to the top of the dishwasher. I assume it is open to atmosphere up there (the end is behind the hinge assembly which I don't fill like messing with). There definitely isn't any room up there for a fill control switch assembly. That's why the previous comments about overfill protection weren't clear to me.
So now I am back to "what am I going to do"? It sounds like the first thing I definitely need is a drain valve assembly. If I can't find one of those, well, I guess I will taking the unit apart and storing parts. If I can find the drain valve assembly, I will have to try to make it work without the trap (unless of course somebody has one of those available too). Sheesh! For the time being I am shelving this project. Now I may be on to the KD-10 or my spin-tube dishmobile. Thanks again guys for all the info. Truly invaluable! | ||
| Post# 657690 , Reply# 12 2/2/2013 at 17:00 (4,097 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Mark,
If you don't have the Trap, I'm not sure although Robert had his KD 12 before he "Pimped it" with the window and then turned it back into a gravity drain, had a solution to your problem. For some reason I remember him having his KD-12 set up as a Pump Drain.
So maybe if I can dig or he'll see this, he can pull up the thread to this issue and you might be able to use your machine. Unfortunately, you will need a Drain Valve being that it is missing to the tune of around $300.00 My best to you and if you need anymore documentation on the repairing, contact me as I have photos of everything I did. | ||
| Post# 657818 , Reply# 13 2/3/2013 at 09:46 (4,096 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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oooops. | ||
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