Thread Number: 45162
Kenmore Ultra Wash not washing well... |
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Post# 661817 , Reply# 1   2/23/2013 at 03:42 (4,051 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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Are you using the "Hi Temp Wash" option (if your machine has one) and what temp is the imcoming water? (Wster Tank Setting) |
Post# 661841 , Reply# 2   2/23/2013 at 08:57 (4,051 days old) by dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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I always use the water heat option, I dont know exactly what the incoming temp is, but it is well over 120 degres. Probably closer to 160-165. |
Post# 661938 , Reply# 3   2/23/2013 at 16:29 (4,050 days old) by washer111 ()   |   | |
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Perhaps there is something inhibiting the function of the pump or motor? Or the motor is just tired and requires replacement: How old is your UltraWash? |
Post# 661962 , Reply# 4   2/23/2013 at 18:28 (4,050 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 661977 , Reply# 5   2/23/2013 at 21:23 (4,050 days old) by dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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I'm pretty sure it is around 1995-1996ish, and it is a standard tub. |
Post# 662139 , Reply# 6   2/24/2013 at 19:02 (4,049 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Be sure that it really has enough water in it after each fill, you can test by stopping the machine after the fill is completed and add another 1/2 gallon or a little more and see if the sound of the machine changes.
If you are using detergent tablets in the closed cup you should still be putting detergent in the open cup for best cleaning.
These DWs will actually clean better if the incoming water temperature is not over around 120 degrees, this lower temperature allows the machine to wash much longer as the heater heats the water to the 145F in the second and main wash period.
Problems with the pump are rare with these DWs, but possible. |
Post# 662307 , Reply# 9   2/25/2013 at 10:38 (4,049 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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The water heating must be thermostatically controlled. If the water is hot enough, it does not even pause to heat. |
Post# 662631 , Reply# 10   2/26/2013 at 18:02 (4,047 days old) by dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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The water takes probably about a minute to get hot at the kitchen, and because the pipe runs along an unheated wall, it is probably less than 160. I will run the hot water and stick a thermometer in it, and see what the temp is exactly. |
Post# 662660 , Reply# 13   2/26/2013 at 21:53 (4,047 days old) by dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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I checked the temp. at the kitchen faucet, and I got about 140 degrees. I started the dishwaaher just before checking it, so the dishwasher likely got mostly cold water, because it takes about a minute for hot water to reach the kitchen. |
Post# 662680 , Reply# 14   2/26/2013 at 23:36 (4,047 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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a hot water recirculation pump could be installed-this is a small low power pump that recirculates the hot water so instant hot water is avalible some distance from the heater.Pipes recirculated should be insulated. |
Post# 662723 , Reply# 15   2/27/2013 at 07:10 (4,047 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I came to the conclusion that most dishwashers perform better when the initial fill contains mostly cold water. The machine generally discards that first bath in a short period of time anyway. If you have the hi-temp wash selected, it will heat the water to where it needs to be.
You may want to use the delay start, if applicable, to be sure it starts with cooler water. Malcolm |
Post# 662813 , Reply# 16   2/27/2013 at 14:35 (4,046 days old) by kqkenmore (memphis tn)   |   | |
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I have the tall tub version and it sucks I have nothing but trouble with it.I had a service policy on it for a long time and Sears was out here all of the time the pump and motor had been replaced 3 times I was using the Cascade Action Packs and was told that you need to put it in the bottom of the tub so that the dishes get the initial soaping and it would cut the grease.One of the repairmen told me to rinse the dishes and I said hell would freeze over not going to wash the dishes before I wash the dishes.They also said use a dishwasher cleaner once every 2 months to get rid of the accumulated grease.Never again will i buy one of these DW.
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Post# 662882 , Reply# 17   2/27/2013 at 17:16 (4,046 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Malcolm what do you think the benefits of the initial cold fill are? |
Post# 662885 , Reply# 18   2/27/2013 at 17:33 (4,046 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 662916 , Reply# 19   2/27/2013 at 20:07 (4,046 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I believe Jerrod and Malcolm may be addressing two different issues. Yes, the initial prewash should be not full-on tank temp water. A case in point is with the Youngstown Jet Tower dishwashers which had their own heater inside the cabginetry. It kept the water 180 degrees. Tomturbomatic has commented numerous times with regards to that wash (the only one on that machine) pretty much ended up "cooking" on food soils. Now, by the time the Kenmore marches through a prewash and maybe a rinse, then on to main wash, the temperature inside the machine may have increased some. But the high-temp option will make sure the water is heated to 140 or 145 degrees and occurs while doing a thermostatic temp hold on the timer. Now, if Pots/Pans cycle is used, that initial prewash will also have a thermostatic temp hold to heat that water to 140 or 145 degrees before the timer advances. It will also heat the water, if needed, during the main wash phase.
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Post# 662937 , Reply# 21   2/27/2013 at 22:00 (4,046 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Now you tell us, The Water miser Cycle, is not designed to clean really dirty dishes, it was designed for people who pre-rinse their dishes and want to cut down on additional water use since they have already wasted so much water rinsing the dishes, LOL. If you want to clean really dirty dishes use a cycle that has TWO wash periods and has at least 4 or 5 full water changes, do you also wash your clothing in cold water?. |
Post# 662966 , Reply# 25   2/28/2013 at 01:41 (4,046 days old) by dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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Yes, I definitely can use the pots/pans button and set the timer on water miser. I will try that on the next load. |
Post# 662988 , Reply# 26   2/28/2013 at 05:46 (4,046 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 663018 , Reply# 27   2/28/2013 at 09:13 (4,046 days old) by dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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Ok thanks. I kind of had a feeling somebody would say something to that effect. |