Thread Number: 45410
1976 D&M Kenmore Dishwasher |
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Post# 664998   3/10/2013 at 23:16 (4,035 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 664999 , Reply# 1   3/10/2013 at 23:17 (4,035 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 665000 , Reply# 2   3/10/2013 at 23:17 (4,035 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 665001 , Reply# 3   3/10/2013 at 23:18 (4,035 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 665003 , Reply# 4   3/10/2013 at 23:20 (4,035 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 665004 , Reply# 5   3/10/2013 at 23:22 (4,035 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 665005 , Reply# 6   3/10/2013 at 23:24 (4,035 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 665014 , Reply# 8   3/11/2013 at 00:47 (4,035 days old) by xpanam (Palm Springs California )   |   | |
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Hi Robert! That is a great find, it looks brand new! In 1975 I use to ride my bike to the Sears at South Coast Plaza in Costa Mesa Californian, to watch the one they had running all day with the plastic insert. Also at Penney’s at Huntington Center mall, were they had a Pennies DW that was an old Hotpoint design! I just stared to wonder how long these display models lasted? Running all day every day.
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Post# 665031 , Reply# 9   3/11/2013 at 06:31 (4,035 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Good friends of mine had this same exact DW built in. I used to load for them most of the time at parties and always packed it. When they sold the house in 1992 it was still working. The only thing that was falling apart was the top rack. Robert this is absolutely a Great find and a keeper.
Best Wishes, Peter |
Post# 665033 , Reply# 10   3/11/2013 at 06:47 (4,035 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Wow, I have its Canadian cousin in Avocado Green! I know D&M gets a lot of bad press, but we used ours in Hubby's country house for 10 years and it worked fine. I think it may have been one of the last D&M's to feature forced-air drying. Oh, and I have the Canadian version of the user guide if you'd like a copy, Robert.
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Post# 665040 , Reply# 11   3/11/2013 at 07:19 (4,035 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 665041 , Reply# 12   3/11/2013 at 07:23 (4,035 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 665048 , Reply# 13   3/11/2013 at 08:05 (4,035 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Oh My Robert that just doesn't look right in your kitchen, LOL, I guess next we will see WP DD washers showing up in your laundry room.
The motor and many major pump parts are different from the motor etc in your older machine, but you may be able to install the complete assembly if you ever need it for the 1965 LKM DW. |
Post# 665049 , Reply# 14   3/11/2013 at 08:09 (4,035 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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I had the model down from this in an earlier apartment life, never had a complaint about it. You could heap the dishes in, and living with two women --they did and everything came out glistening!
You're right Eddie about those racks Dog Bile Yellow, what were they thinking was color back then is a mystery!!
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Post# 665056 , Reply# 15   3/11/2013 at 08:30 (4,035 days old) by HooverWheelAway ()   |   | |
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Ugh, you have no idea how releaved I am to know that it has a sliding panel to conceal the pushbuttons. |
Post# 665062 , Reply# 16   3/11/2013 at 08:51 (4,034 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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The motor and many major pump parts are different from the motor etc in your older machine, but you may be able to install the complete assembly if you ever need it for the 1965 LKM DW.
Yes John that I what I mean, the parts are different, such as a round motor on the earlier machine and square on the newer, but the mounting and hose connections are exactly the same as well as the function, so the entire assembly will fit and can be used as a replacement. They also sound almost exactly the same. The bottom rack (ugly color as it is) is nearly the same and fits perfectly. The spray arm as well has a different hole pattern, but otherwise is the same. I'm going to install the newer spray arm in the window LK to see the difference between the two. The newer machine has much smaller holes and more of them, where as the older spray arm has only four holes, but they are much larger. |
Post# 665064 , Reply# 17   3/11/2013 at 08:57 (4,034 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 665081 , Reply# 18   3/11/2013 at 11:31 (4,034 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 665082 , Reply# 19   3/11/2013 at 11:36 (4,034 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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This unit is very high-quality by today's standards, but at the time, the cost-containment in evidence on the '75s was a shocker.
The biggest, most noticeable difference was the hose console, now molded plastic. Previously, it had been extruded aluminum with die-cast chromed end caps. It really wasn't all that huge or damaging a change, but it sure set tongues a-wag down at Sears on Ponce de Leon. And there was much worse to come. |
Post# 665105 , Reply# 21   3/11/2013 at 13:07 (4,034 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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The worst thing about these machines was that the timer triggered the detergent dispenser to fly out of its little house at the start of the wash fill
Well that's odd Tom, because my '65 LK opens the dispenser as soon as wash begins with a full take of water, and this '76 machine opens the dispenser about 20 seconds after the wash beings. I wonder if it was the non Kenmore branded D&M's that did that? As for the faucet we got it here, but you have to order the faucet and handle separately... www.faucetdepot.com/prod/Delta-23... You can adjust the rate of handle travel of this faucet to bring the faucet up to full pressure for operating a dishwasher and it looks nice as well. |
Post# 665106 , Reply# 22   3/11/2013 at 13:11 (4,034 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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I like your Frigidaire dealer giveaway trivets - I have them too.
(For the uninitiated - they are the things that have roosters on them, behind the faucet - they're shaped like tiles. They're heatproof, stain-resistant Frigidaire porcelain, which was the point of the giveaway. Frigidaire called them "Pot Roosters"). |
Post# 665158 , Reply# 23   3/11/2013 at 17:21 (4,034 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)   |   | |
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i remember gazing at them in the appliance section of dept. stores and plumbing supply houses when i was a teen! who knew then!
your's looks perfect! love the controls! as far as spray arms go i have one lady kenmore top loader roto rack with the older spray arm with the big holes and several front load models with the newer small hole arms. i much prefer the older spray arm and i will say that my top loader always does a great job of cleaning everything when i use it. have fun with it but shudder to think that this beautiful machine could be stripped down for parts! hopefully that day will never come! |
Post# 665164 , Reply# 24   3/11/2013 at 17:42 (4,034 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 665201 , Reply# 25   3/11/2013 at 18:53 (4,034 days old) by rpms (ontario canada)   |   | |
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Post# 665246 , Reply# 26   3/11/2013 at 21:29 (4,034 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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Post# 665258 , Reply# 27   3/11/2013 at 22:24 (4,034 days old) by alsaroy (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I love this forum, but I am not as knowledgable about all the initials used here. What does DM Stand for? |
Post# 665270 , Reply# 29   3/11/2013 at 23:15 (4,034 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Hi Roy, D&M stands for Design and Manufacturing, it was a company that made dishwashers and sold them other companies to put their name on it. Here is a thread about them:
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... Brian, of course, here is the picture you asked for, its not the easiest thing to photograph, but this sorta works... |
Post# 665293 , Reply# 30   3/12/2013 at 01:09 (4,034 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 665302 , Reply# 31   3/12/2013 at 01:54 (4,034 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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@ Robert, You hit the jack pot once again! Im not a big D&M fan of appliances (more of a kitchen-aid one) but I wouldnt mind having that one just for a test drive. The water heating is one I always look for, especially if its the stop timer until hot kind.
Two questions though, Does the pump module have any food particle filtration like on whirlpool or maytag machines and would you happen to have a pick of the underside/motor as well? Again great find!!! Im jealous lol! |
Post# 665359 , Reply# 32   3/12/2013 at 08:47 (4,033 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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Post# 665463 , Reply# 33   3/12/2013 at 19:26 (4,033 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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D&M like many DW designs of this time period did not have any type of food filter, they did have one of the most effective food choppers up till the time WP Power Clean DWs came out in 1984. Many other DWs had no filters of any kind, GE for example did not have their first filtering system till the early 1980s and GM Frigidaire DWs dropped their filter system in 1965 and never introduced another.
DWs without filters relied on many water changes to get rid of food particles, but they never could do as good a job as DWs with a filter system. NO modern DW made today does not have a filter. Interestingly every Kitchenaid DW ever built had a filter and every Whirlpool DW ever built that used a wash-arm instead of an impeller has some sort of filter or filtering system.
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Post# 665493 , Reply# 34   3/12/2013 at 22:12 (4,033 days old) by dishwasherfan (Phoenix, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 665503 , Reply# 35   3/12/2013 at 22:45 (4,033 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 665524 , Reply# 36   3/13/2013 at 04:14 (4,033 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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That probably is the reason why I never liked these machines as much. Every single dishwasher that Ive ever washed dishes in without a filter has always left behind small particles behind on cups and saucers in the top rack. Having the grinder in there in my opinion makes things worse in that large pieces of food end up being redistributed around the machine as small particles.
The worst offenders in my kitchen were GEs, the half gallon that was left behind in the sump and pump pretty much rendered the 7 water change outs useless. The In-sink erator was in my experience not that bad, but nothing can compare the Maytag Jetcleans or Whirlpool's Power clean system. |
Post# 665538 , Reply# 38   3/13/2013 at 06:28 (4,033 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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For many years, my mom had a '73 Lady Kenmore (with Roto-Rack) convertible/portable that I bought for her. Absolute TOL machine, all the bells and whistles.
I'm here to tell you - that thing was a performer. Everything came out of it spotlessly clean, and that was in spite of - not because of - my mom. Mom could be counted on to take the turkey carcass off the Thanksgiving platter before putting it in the dishwasher, but that about all the pre-treating of dishes she ever did. She used the machine for everything - pots, pans, casserole dishes, absolutely everything. It also took good care of her good dishes, on those exceedingly rare occasions they were ever used. It should be remembered that this Lady K was being used with '70s dishwasher detergents that probably could have doubled as paint stripper, but still, there were no cleaning issues with it. And it lasted 20 years, until Sears finally declined to renew the maintenance protection plan on it. |
Post# 665541 , Reply# 39   3/13/2013 at 06:43 (4,033 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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In some high end GEs in the late 90s and nearly all high end GE machines today they have a drain pump to the sump boot to remove the carry over water, it makes a big difference. Less water used and cleaner dishes. Mind blowing to me that GE sold such an inefficent pump system for 35 +years.
Thanks for the info, will go look at it in archives :) |
Post# 677629 , Reply# 41   5/6/2013 at 08:58 (3,978 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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