Thread Number: 45527
FOUND!!! KA "Superlative" KDSC 21A!! |
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Post# 666443   3/17/2013 at 10:37 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 666444 , Reply# 1   3/17/2013 at 10:38 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 666445 , Reply# 2   3/17/2013 at 10:38 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 666446 , Reply# 3   3/17/2013 at 10:40 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 666447 , Reply# 4   3/17/2013 at 10:41 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 666448 , Reply# 5   3/17/2013 at 10:42 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 666449 , Reply# 6   3/17/2013 at 10:43 (4,029 days old) by rockland1 ()   |   | |
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They should have kept the same design for the adjustable racks. Now everything is plastic! |
Post# 666451 , Reply# 7   3/17/2013 at 11:01 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 666454 , Reply# 9   3/17/2013 at 11:13 (4,029 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 666459 , Reply# 10   3/17/2013 at 11:53 (4,029 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 666462 , Reply# 11   3/17/2013 at 12:14 (4,029 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )   |   | |
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Post# 666463 , Reply# 12   3/17/2013 at 12:15 (4,029 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )   |   | |
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Post# 666481 , Reply# 13   3/17/2013 at 13:09 (4,029 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 666542 , Reply# 14   3/17/2013 at 16:14 (4,029 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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That 21 with the panel off sounds as loud as my KDP-20 with the door closed!! I can't believe how quiet it is with the door closed. Can't wait!!
Thanks moparwash I will keep that bottom rack offer in mind as I haven't had a chance to look the old girl over completely yet.
Eddie it will go up to Melrose for now , I wouldnt' expose a rebuilt machine to rentals , they can use my 25 till I'm done renting!!
Its spring we need to get together for a spring meet!!!
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Post# 666562 , Reply# 15   3/17/2013 at 16:32 (4,029 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 666567 , Reply# 16   3/17/2013 at 16:52 (4,029 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 666728 , Reply# 17   3/18/2013 at 08:00 (4,028 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 667208 , Reply# 19   3/20/2013 at 09:32 (4,026 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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I looked up the cycle chart for the 21A and found there is heating in the wash cycle while pumping up tp 140 degrees there are also 3 purges before the one rinse. Each purge is 3 QTS like you mention.
But I then looked at the cycle chart for my KUD-25 and found it had 1 purge but they went back to 2 rinses!! So I am at 6's & 7's now. I love the performance of my 20 Patrician, I wonder now if there is a way to put in a 3 rinse timer on the 21A?? OH STEVET??? CALLING STEVET?? |
Post# 667216 , Reply# 20   3/20/2013 at 10:18 (4,026 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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These had a little better more rugged pump design than the 18-20 machines but the overall performance was very lacking. Soon after WP bought out KA we took out quite a few KD21s out and replaced them with WP Power-Clean DWs at WP expense because of the poor performance of these DWs. I agree with Tom I would never bother with a KD 21or 22 DW if you want great performance, but I am sure that Stevet will run up to Boston and install a KDS20 timer in it for you Jon, LOL. |
Post# 667225 , Reply# 21   3/20/2013 at 11:09 (4,026 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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I would love to find a Superba 21 with a dead timer and replace it with something like a Raspberry Pi and relay board. This way, I could program the cycles the way I wanted them to work, such as adding additional rinses or lengthening the wash time for better cleaning. Not to mention opening the fill valve for 15 or so seconds before the end of the drain period so that the water is always nice and hot... but I guess that was one of the purposes of the quick purges before a major section of the cycle, other than cleaning the filter.
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Post# 667265 , Reply# 23   3/20/2013 at 13:06 (4,026 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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thanks for the idea I like it, where do I adjust the water fill for the purge cycle, on the timer block ? or are there two fill switches? Or just removing the flow restricter will do across the board??
Jon This post was last edited 03/20/2013 at 13:40 |
Post# 667295 , Reply# 26   3/20/2013 at 16:20 (4,026 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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My water pressure is almost 100PSI (long story) so I would have to do a lot of trial and error. Quite honestly though I don't seem to be have having an issue with the single rinse. My dishes are clean and shiny so I wonder if I should leave well enough alone.
It used to be around 50PSI until the whole house Pressure regulator went out. The plumber didn't think I needed to put one in because the water company said it was coming into my house at 70PSI which was about right. Imagine my surprise the next morning when my sprinklers were watering my grass and half of the guys yard next door. So I adjusted the sprinkler system and left the house at the higher pressure because it is nice to have. |
Post# 667314 , Reply# 27   3/20/2013 at 17:49 (4,026 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 667325 , Reply# 28   3/20/2013 at 19:23 (4,026 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Steve, good suggestions for slightly increasing the water level in an older KA DW. To my knowledge I never saw a KD-20 DW that had the reversing motor of a KD-21-2 machine, it would take an extra relay or two to use a KDS-20 timer on a KDS-21, but I am sure that Jon can figure that out.
While KA 18-22 DWs were built like tanks and had great primary pumps the cycling that Hobart used never allowed these otherwise great DWs to wash even as well as several other brands [ which was really a shame ]. After having DWs that heat the water in the main wash and final rinse to a guaranteed temperature with the pump running and filtering, I would never want anything less. Whoever engineered the cycling on the 18-22 KA DWs just didn't know the best way to get dishes consistently clean, even the 18s which were the best of the lot had an inferior Soak&Scrub cycle to WPs or even D&Ms pots and pans cycles. |